IRC log of sweo on 2007-10-10

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13:24:09 [ivan]
rrsagent, set log public
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Meeting: SWEO Weekly telco
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Chair: Ivan
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Scribe: Kjetil
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hi ivan :)
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Regrets: Susie, Danny, Pasquale
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0029.html Agenda for the call
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13:59:38 [ivan]
zakim, call ivan-home
13:59:38 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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+Ivan
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+Karen
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+LeeF
14:01:04 [ivan]
anybody hears me at all?
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+??P20
14:01:19 [ivan]
zakim, unmutes me
14:01:19 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'unmutes me', ivan
14:01:37 [bengee]
zakim, ??P20 is me
14:01:37 [Zakim]
+bengee; got it
14:01:55 [Zakim]
+??P21
14:01:56 [LeeF]
i can't hear you, ivan
14:02:14 [ivan]
zakim, ??P21 is Harry
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+Harry; got it
14:02:20 [ivan]
nobody hears me?
14:02:22 [LeeF]
nope
14:02:26 [ivan]
:-(
14:02:28 [LeeF]
zakim, please let ivan speak
14:02:28 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'please let ivan speak', LeeF
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-Ivan
14:02:38 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-home
14:02:38 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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14:02:59 [HarryH]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:59 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry
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+??P26
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+PaulaP
14:04:52 [LeeF]
zakim, mute me please
14:04:52 [Zakim]
LeeF should now be muted
14:06:20 [ivan]
scribenick: Karen
14:06:35 [Karen]
Ivan welcomes Harry
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ack leef
14:06:57 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
14:06:57 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, ??P26, PaulaP (muted)
14:06:59 [Zakim]
On IRC I see HarryH, kidehen, Karen, bengee, PaulaP, LeeF, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan
14:07:27 [Karen]
Harry is from University of Edinburgh, chair of GRDDL Working Group
14:07:36 [Karen]
Karen is development officer, outreach and education
14:07:40 [LeeF]
zakim, mute me
14:07:40 [Zakim]
LeeF should now be muted
14:07:47 [Karen]
Benjamin Nowak, PHP, works from Germany
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Kingsley
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Paula works on standardization activities; EU network of excellence; located at Univ. of Munich
14:08:49 [Karen]
Ivan: Let's do GRDDL discussion
14:08:59 [Karen]
...what is needed to be done, Harry?
14:09:15 [Karen]
Harry: GRDDL is now a recommendation; well supported by SW libraries; Beckets and Gena
14:09:22 [kidehen]
HarryH: for audience, what is GRDDL?
14:09:25 [Karen]
...get GRDDL employed on XML and common formats
14:09:39 [Karen]
...implementations are stable, good reviews from blogosphere
14:09:46 [Karen]
...need to make GRDDL transformations
14:09:51 [Karen]
...for microformats
14:10:00 [Karen]
...stabilize for trust, security, reliability
14:10:17 [Karen]
...XSLT or other language transformation from some HTML into RDF
14:10:30 [Karen]
...GRDDL has mechanism to put XSLT transformation into namespace document
14:10:54 [Karen]
...linked from namespace document; a GRDDL-aware processor checks to see if it's GRDDL enabled, and outputs the RDF automatically
14:11:04 [Karen]
...good for linked project, add more RDF to Semantic Web
14:11:15 [Karen]
...many microformat Web pages that could be RDF-ized
14:11:32 [Karen]
...main selling point of GRDDL is no additional work for the document producers and consumers
14:11:38 [Karen]
...if they use GRDDL enabled software
14:11:51 [Karen]
...I can list a number of vocabularies, I'd like to hear what people are using
14:12:05 [Karen]
Ivan: In HTML world, you can also use the profile URI for the same purpose
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Harry: Yes, you can consider a profile URI similar to a name space document
14:12:24 [Karen]
...you have to have HTML as root name space
14:12:33 [Karen]
...you can put a profile attribute in head, point to URI
14:12:37 [Zakim]
+Melli
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14:12:42 [Karen]
...say, "there is more customized information"
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...you can also put GRDDL transformations there
14:12:54 [Karen]
Ivan: welcomes Melli
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+Leo
14:13:21 [Karen]
Melli: With database semantic technologies group at Oracle; we support W3C SW standards like RDF and OWL
14:13:33 [Karen]
Ivan welcomes Leo
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+??P31
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Zakim, ??p31 is uldis
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+uldis; got it
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Leo: Do SW research, lead governing task in SWEO
14:13:59 [Karen]
Uldis from DERI Galway
14:14:07 [Karen]
...working on Semantically interlinked online communities
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Harry: One of question brought up in GRDDL work
14:14:24 [Karen]
...what Oracle's position is?
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...GRDDL being new W3C standard to convert legacy data to RDF
14:14:40 [kidehen]
HarryH: provide test suite URI
14:14:42 [Karen]
Melli: Yes, we have talked about it
14:14:51 [Karen]
...currently we are not looking at it, but hope to look at it soon
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Harry: Thanks
14:15:14 [Karen]
...Question to audience, what do you have RDF transformations for already?
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Ivan: any takers?
14:15:40 [Karen]
Leo: EBXML
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ebXML?
14:15:53 [Karen]
...Electronic Business Exchange Format
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RDF transform?
14:15:59 [Karen]
...business cases are interesting
14:16:00 [kidehen]
HarryH: XBRL
14:16:07 [Karen]
...we could not talk about doing geo or photos
14:16:16 [HarryH]
geo XML format?
14:16:18 [Karen]
Harry: Geo XML format is standardized?
14:16:23 [leobard]
geordf is from w3c
14:16:24 [Karen]
Geo microformat
14:16:38 [Karen]
Ivan: Kingsley put in XBRL
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q+
14:16:48 [Karen]
Harry: Do we have a transform for XBRL?
14:17:00 [Karen]
XBRL ontology; we're working on this in the background
14:17:09 [Karen]
...you have these XML schemas for these XML documents
14:17:13 [ivan]
ack karen
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...we don't have anything right now
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q+
14:18:45 [Karen]
Karen: mentions Graham Rong at MIT Sloan's interest in XBRL
14:18:54 [Karen]
Kingsley: How can we get W3C involved?
14:19:05 [Karen]
...I'm doing this with Graham; I met him at SemWeb gathering
14:19:17 [Karen]
...he is not further than other participants in XBRL ontology
14:19:30 [ivan]
ack bengee
14:19:34 [Karen]
...Kingsley to send Karen email on XBRL subject
14:19:54 [kidehen]
bengee
14:20:07 [Karen]
Bengee: Can we provide hooks to non-XSLT transformations?
14:20:24 [Karen]
...build from broken HTML; apply a parser like transformation; written in PHP
14:20:32 [Karen]
Harry: Throw me a link to that
14:20:42 [Karen]
...We support XSLT because that's what everyone was using
14:20:51 [Karen]
...we could use PHP methodology to test
14:20:57 [Karen]
Ivan: Do we have a GRDDL engine?
14:21:15 [Karen]
Harry: No, all the test cases are written using XSLT; I can ask Andy and Dave Beckett
14:21:29 [Karen]
...not sure how difficult it would be to call an [] processor
14:21:48 [Karen]
Bengee: If it doesn't work; one issue I had was deciding how to transform microformats to RDF
14:22:10 [Karen]
...from SWEO perspective, we could point people tomappings for selective vocabularies; get the same output
14:22:46 [Karen]
Harry: Microformats in theory, no resistence from community to use GRDDL; but what needs to be done is stabilizing the RDF mapping of the microformats
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hCal microformat
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...often the RDF vocabulary is unclear
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RDFCalendar
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...map into RDF calendar
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q+
14:23:09 [Karen]
...I haven't seen much coming out
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...wonder if SWEO is monitoring that
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Kingsley: I use it
14:23:35 [Karen]
Ivan: Action Bengee, please send references on PHP to Harry
14:23:39 [ivan]
action: bengee to send references of the PHP stuff to Harry
14:23:56 [Karen]
Bengee: Are you using XSLT?
14:24:11 [Karen]
Kingsley: We start off with GRDDL-based; also home-grown
14:24:20 [HarryH]
RDFCalendar W3C Note: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/
14:24:26 [ivan]
ack leo
14:24:27 [leobard]
just for the note: with Bengees thing, GRDDL may not be needed at all, you just could add a link "REL" on top, adding the current URL as referrer/parameter for Bengees web-service
14:24:28 [Karen]
...and [] based; we'll expose what we're mapping to in a document
14:24:33 [Karen]
Leo: Two things:
14:24:44 [kidehen]
bengee: I'll put out Sponger paper in the next day or so
14:24:49 [Karen]
...All GRDDL is about transforming links on top of document
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...add these transform links to document
14:25:08 [Karen]
...add transform statement; then point to Web service with Web link
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...and point to Bengee's Web Service; user agent will go up rail and get transformation from there
14:25:25 [kidehen]
bengee: it will contain list of GRDDL-XSLT, HomeGrown-XSLT, and our native PL RDFizers
14:25:47 [Karen]
...As SWEO, what people need to do is add GRDDL to their Web sites
14:26:01 [Karen]
...we need people need to add transform links; is this correct?
14:26:07 [Karen]
Harry: you can put link to XSLT
14:26:21 [Karen]
...get everyone to support that; name space document so you don't have to add a transform
14:26:29 [Karen]
...transform to RDF without additional work
14:26:48 [Karen]
Leo: Inform people about name space document
14:27:03 [Karen]
Harry: may be easier to do that than go after document producers directly
14:27:09 [Karen]
...get network effect of key users
14:27:13 [HarryH]
Atom - Danny Ayers
14:27:16 [Karen]
...Danny Ayers is looking at Atom
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...Dublin Core would support
14:27:22 [HarryH]
Dublin core said they support it..
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hCard
14:27:33 [Karen]
...already supports it
14:27:40 [Karen]
Ivan: Where are we with stable V card?
14:27:45 [Karen]
Harry: I think we are close
14:27:54 [Karen]
...also microformats I'm not sure how to map
14:27:56 [HarryH]
hReview
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Tom Heath
14:28:04 [Karen]
...we need an RDF vocabulary for Hreview
14:28:04 [HarryH]
Tagging
14:28:07 [Karen]
...RDF needed
14:28:11 [Karen]
...Tom Gruber working on that
14:28:13 [HarryH]
Tom Gruber TagCommons SCOT project
14:28:19 [kidehen]
HarryH: SCOT for tags
14:28:20 [HarryH]
relTag
14:28:23 [Karen]
...low hanging fruit
14:28:27 [leobard]
we also have skos for tags
14:28:28 [HarryH]
geo
14:28:32 [HarryH]
geoRDF stable?
14:28:39 [HarryH]
URI?
14:28:52 [uldis]
http:/scot-project.org/
14:28:58 [leobard]
http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#
14:29:11 [Karen]
Harry: what's lacking is XSLTs and stabilization
14:29:18 [Karen]
Ivan: What should be done to get the word out?
14:29:24 [Karen]
...I maintain a site on Semantic Web tools
14:29:30 [Karen]
...no reference right now on GRDDL
14:29:41 [Karen]
...you have collected information on GRDDL tools; good to put on site
14:29:44 [ivan]
-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebTools sem web tools
14:29:55 [Karen]
...put a reference to other pages, or incorporate to this
14:30:00 [Karen]
...we try to keep this site up to date
14:30:13 [Karen]
...start from there, find good information on which microformats are properly transformable
14:30:22 [Karen]
Harry: On GRDDL home page
14:30:26 [HarryH]
GRDDL WG: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/
14:30:36 [leobard]
hay, are there any pointy powerpoints about GRDDL?
14:30:37 [Karen]
...get to GRDDL primer
14:30:47 [HarryH]
GRDDL Primer: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/
14:30:49 [Karen]
...has lots of examples of things people can run using online Web Services
14:30:55 [Karen]
...also have a tutorial
14:31:01 [Karen]
...Dan Connolly and I did
14:31:07 [Karen]
...welcome to edit slides
14:31:12 [HarryH]
GRDDL Tutorial: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/tut7/gtut#(1)
14:31:14 [Karen]
...also links to papers
14:31:29 [Karen]
...that use GRDDL; like Henry Thomson's work; lots of educational material
14:31:36 [Karen]
...key adopters and blogs to get the word out
14:31:36 [HarryH]
GRDDLize any pages you have as well?
14:31:48 [Karen]
Ivan: Specifically, who and how should we move on about tools on tool page?
14:31:57 [Karen]
...will you take action?
14:32:12 [Karen]
Harry: Tools; there is a list of GRDDL implementations
14:32:18 [HarryH]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/GrddlImplementations
14:32:20 [Karen]
...what more precisely do you need?
14:32:30 [Karen]
Ivan: Many people start with Semantic Web tools
14:32:42 [Karen]
...we need a reference to link the tools; wiki page
14:32:51 [Karen]
...also have somewhere a list of those microformats
14:32:57 [Karen]
...that are GRDDL-able
14:33:01 [Karen]
Harry: yes, we can link that
14:33:14 [Karen]
Ivan: We should put this information into our database, Leo
14:33:26 [Karen]
Leo: yes, no problem; we can do this
14:33:35 [ivan]
action: harry extending tool list on the wiki
14:33:58 [ivan]
action: leo look at the page of grddable microformats
14:34:26 [HarryH]
GRDDL Mappings: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
14:34:30 [Karen]
Ivan: Danny is looking at collection of tutorials; please talk with him
14:34:39 [Karen]
...Does anyone know the site that Danny started?
14:34:41 [Karen]
Leo: yes
14:34:49 [leobard]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/RecommendedTutorials
14:35:05 [Karen]
Ivan: so we begin to collect GRDDL tutorials
14:35:07 [Karen]
...what else?
14:35:22 [Karen]
...there is now a GRDDL button from the logo project
14:35:33 [Karen]
Harry: Can someone send me the link?
14:35:43 [ivan]
-> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html logos
14:35:54 [Karen]
...all the SW logos
14:36:10 [Karen]
...separate work on application of logos
14:36:18 [Karen]
...What else can SWEO do?
14:36:32 [Karen]
Harry: Pass off some key contact people to SWEO
14:36:44 [Karen]
...Kingsley, XBRL project perhaps?
14:36:58 [Karen]
Kingsley: we need to get URIs done for companies; stock exchange symbols for example
14:37:06 [Karen]
...we are plodding along; it's a large project
14:37:20 [Karen]
Harry: It would be useful to monitor progress of GRDDL-izing Atom
14:37:37 [Karen]
...Danny Ayers is key person for that
14:37:46 [Karen]
Ivan: the current charter of SWEO runs out in March
14:37:55 [Karen]
...how information is maintained long-term is another discussion
14:38:01 [leobard]
q+
14:38:23 [Karen]
...we need to revisit SWEO next steps
14:38:30 [Karen]
Harry: Are there other SWEO deliverables?
14:38:34 [ivan]
ack leo
14:38:49 [Karen]
Leo: What we publish, and what will outlive us are the use cases and case studies
14:39:03 [Karen]
...we could blog more
14:39:19 [HarryH]
GRDDL Use-Cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/
14:40:12 [HarryH]
http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/#scheduling_use_case
14:40:39 [ivan]
-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ SWEO Use Cases
14:40:55 [HarryH]
Mixing Reviews with GRDDL: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/#hotel
14:41:10 [Karen]
Ivan: we have real deployed SW applications, use cases
14:41:21 [Karen]
...if you know good input for that, based on GRDDL that would be great
14:41:33 [Karen]
...our current use cases are based on RDF and OWL, but nothing based on GRDDL
14:41:42 [Karen]
...it would be great to have a GRDDL case to add
14:41:50 [HarryH]
SWEO: outreach?
14:41:51 [Karen]
Harry: Part of job as SWEO is outreach, yes?
14:42:00 [HarryH]
To outreach to actually makes these use-cases.
14:42:04 [HarryH]
Revyu
14:42:09 [Karen]
...by Tom Heath
14:42:18 [HarryH]
Someone to stabilize for RDF review vocabulary
14:42:27 [Karen]
...his site uses Microformats
14:42:41 [Karen]
...that would make mixing reviews a real-world use case with real live data
14:42:46 [Karen]
...anyone could use and find useful
14:43:07 [HarryH]
http://revyu.com/
14:43:11 [Karen]
...As GRDDL winds down, we have limited resources now; perhaps someone can contact Tom
14:43:26 [Karen]
Ivan: We are talking different things
14:43:29 [leobard]
we could publish a challenge: grddlize a website and prove of some useful thing that can now be done
14:43:32 [HarryH]
HP does with GRDDL internally?
14:43:46 [Karen]
Ivan: In which operation is GRDDL already used?
14:43:47 [HarryH]
The only organization that uses GRDDL internally is the W3C.
14:43:58 [HarryH]
Outreach the problem.
14:44:00 [leobard]
q+
14:44:01 [HarryH]
GRDDL Rec status.
14:44:17 [kidehen]
HarryH: OpenLink uses GRDDL in it's Sponger Middleware
14:44:18 [Karen]
...it just reached rec status; if SWEO had spare cycles, it would be good use of time
14:44:22 [Karen]
...I don't know of some
14:44:23 [ivan]
ack leo
14:44:27 [Karen]
Leo: What we could do
14:44:35 [Karen]
...pose another challenge for a community project
14:45:18 [Karen]
...people blog about it
14:45:37 [Karen]
Harry: There are several large calendaring sites that use Microformats
14:45:47 [Karen]
Kingsley: Upcoming, Eventful
14:45:54 [HarryH]
Eventful and Upcoming use micro-format?
14:46:01 [HarryH]
Use the profile URI in their website?
14:46:04 [Karen]
Harry: Yes, these are microformat based; could be useful to ask if they want to use profile URI in Web site
14:46:11 [HarryH]
That would be more real data.
14:46:18 [Karen]
Leo: One page abstract of how it works would be good
14:46:25 [Karen]
...then we publish this as a challenge
14:46:27 [bengee]
we need the profile URLs first, though
14:46:29 [Karen]
...hope a small hacker does it
14:46:37 [bengee]
sweo is not really producing code
14:46:45 [Karen]
Kingsley: I think there is a Firefox plug-in for GRDDL?
14:47:08 [HarryH]
Firefox plug-in creators in SWEO - Operator is supported?
14:47:22 [Karen]
Harry: Another way to do it, contact people who run Eventful and Upcoming directly
14:47:27 [Karen]
...they have contact pages
14:47:28 [HarryH]
Contact Eventful and Upcoming.org directly?
14:47:35 [Karen]
...no, we don't have personal contacts to them
14:47:45 [leobard]
+1 for contacting the eventful and upcoming people, thats nice
14:48:19 [Karen]
Kingsley: What I think we need is somebody to do a plain English demonstration
14:48:25 [Karen]
...of how GRDDL exposes the dataweb
14:48:30 [kidehen]
all: http://www.openlinksw.com/dataspace/kidehen@openlinksw.com/weblog/kidehen@openlinksw.com%27s%20BLOG%20%5B127%5D/1258
14:48:32 [Karen]
...here is link of guy
14:48:44 [kidehen]
http://www.commoncraft.com/video-social-networking
14:48:52 [Karen]
...let's look at social networking
14:48:56 [Karen]
...I spoke with this guy
14:49:05 [Karen]
...If we can get him to take something simple to demonstrate
14:49:07 [HarryH]
Contact Eventful: http://about.eventful.com/contact.html
14:49:12 [Karen]
...show how SW can crystalize
14:49:20 [Karen]
...that would be great education and outreach
14:49:23 [Karen]
...watch the clips
14:49:26 [Karen]
Harry: yes, I'll look
14:49:50 [Karen]
...One-page challenge; contact people would be good
14:49:55 [Karen]
Ivan: So question is, who is that?
14:50:05 [Karen]
...who can write this challenge text?
14:50:18 [Karen]
Kingsley: I don't think that's the issue
14:50:38 [Karen]
...Impact of GRDDL is not new, just needs more collateral
14:50:44 [Karen]
Harry: People just need to know about it
14:51:04 [Karen]
Kingsley: Challenges are not way to convey the message; it's about communication
14:51:24 [Karen]
Ivan: You have to have people know how to use it in practice
14:51:39 [Karen]
...challenge idea is that someone comes up with a challenging implementation of some ideas; then add those lines
14:51:54 [Karen]
Kingsley: I don't know how many people on this call have looked at the GRDDL work
14:51:58 [Karen]
...I don't know who will respond
14:52:07 [Karen]
...who can produce anything better?
14:52:23 [Karen]
Harry: Get current Web sites that are Microformat supported, you can blog about it
14:52:51 [Karen]
Kingsley: Get users to adopt, have to show value
14:53:00 [Karen]
Harry: XTech used it after we contacted them
14:53:07 [Karen]
...they GRDDL-enabled their pages
14:53:12 [HarryH]
http://2007.xtech.org/public/news
14:53:14 [Karen]
...to them it's a few minutes of their time
14:53:22 [HarryH]
Adding profile @?
14:53:25 [HarryH]
Very simple
14:53:37 [Karen]
Ivan: Problem is XTech; those are hackers; we have to convince people outside that circle
14:53:51 [Karen]
...that it's worthwhile to do; provide convincing things they can do with it
14:53:59 [Karen]
...challenge idea of Leo is in this direciton
14:54:07 [Karen]
Harry: I have five more minutes
14:54:20 [Karen]
...I would support a challenge if someone else writes it up
14:54:35 [Karen]
...someone should ping players who support microformats; ask to add profile to their site
14:54:52 [kidehen]
HarryH: Do you have list of web hubs that you would like to incorporate GRDDL? A list will help
14:55:04 [Karen]
...if anyone does get XSLT; read primer, how to GRDDL upgrade XML vocabulary
14:55:10 [Karen]
...Eventful is first on my list to contact
14:55:21 [kidehen]
Ivan: ditto re. players that you think would need convincing etc?
14:55:21 [Karen]
...Flickr supports
14:55:29 [bengee]
one problem is that even individual (low-size) sites are reluctant to add profile URLs to their personal mf-enabled sites
14:55:41 [HarryH]
Revyu?
14:55:54 [Karen]
Ivan: who thinks they can write the challenge text?
14:56:06 [Karen]
...or we can ask on mailing list
14:56:23 [Karen]
Ivan: Bengee, can you write email to SWEO list?
14:56:24 [kidehen]
HarryH: Revyu we can deal with once we have the Ontology etc..
14:56:37 [HarryH]
LinkedIn uses hResume, but we don't have a Resume RDF vocabulary to my knowledge..
14:56:49 [Karen]
Action Leo: write to SWEOmailing list
14:57:01 [Karen]
Ivan: next, we have to write contact persons
14:57:15 [kidehen]
HarryH: Uldis has a Vocabulary that may be useful
14:57:23 [bengee]
we need a non-microformats use case that shows GRDDL's utility
14:57:43 [Karen]
Kingsley: Give me the names and I can contact them
14:57:58 [Karen]
...make a list
14:58:24 [Karen]
Harry: Dan Connolly has talked to people at LinkedIn
14:58:24 [HarryH]
Revyu, LinkedIn, Eventful, Flickr. I just don't know names. I'd e-mail Dan Connolly and e-mail Brian Suda about the Web 2.0 services.
14:58:37 [Karen]
Ivan: Would it be possible to put it on the GRDDL group call?
14:58:44 [Zakim]
-PaulaP
14:58:49 [Karen]
Harry: What's needed is for one person to be the contact point
14:58:59 [Karen]
...keep pressing this person
14:59:03 [Zakim]
-LeeF
14:59:15 [HarryH]
We'll try to get a list from the next GRDDL WG.
14:59:30 [Karen]
Action: Harry will take to next GRDDL meeting
14:59:36 [Karen]
Ivan thanks Harry
14:59:52 [Karen]
...SW logos are out
15:00:00 [Karen]
...I have updated the Activity page
15:00:04 [Karen]
...I'll add it to the blog
15:00:12 [Karen]
...this is done, it's a good job
15:00:20 [Karen]
...meeting adjourned
15:00:21 [Zakim]
- +1.603.897.aabb
15:00:22 [Zakim]
-Harry
15:00:22 [Zakim]
-??P26
15:00:24 [Zakim]
-bengee
15:00:26 [Zakim]
-uldis
15:00:27 [Zakim]
-Leo
15:00:57 [Karen]
RSS Agent, please generate minutes
15:01:25 [Karen]
RSSAgent, please generate minutes
15:01:47 [Karen]
RRSAgent, please generate minutes
15:01:47 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-sweo-minutes.html Karen
15:02:13 [Zakim]
-Karen
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Attendees were Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, PaulaP, Melli, Leo, uldis
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