IRC log of sweo on 2007-10-10
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- Meeting: SWEO Weekly telco
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- Chair: Ivan
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- Scribe: Kjetil
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- hi ivan :)
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- Regrets: Susie, Danny, Pasquale
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0029.html Agenda for the call
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- zakim, call ivan-home
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- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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- +Ivan
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- +Karen
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- +LeeF
- 14:01:04 [ivan]
- anybody hears me at all?
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- +??P20
- 14:01:19 [ivan]
- zakim, unmutes me
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- I don't understand 'unmutes me', ivan
- 14:01:37 [bengee]
- zakim, ??P20 is me
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- +bengee; got it
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- +??P21
- 14:01:56 [LeeF]
- i can't hear you, ivan
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- zakim, ??P21 is Harry
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- +Harry; got it
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- nobody hears me?
- 14:02:22 [LeeF]
- nope
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- :-(
- 14:02:28 [LeeF]
- zakim, please let ivan speak
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- I don't understand 'please let ivan speak', LeeF
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- -Ivan
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- zakim, dial ivan-home
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- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:02:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry
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- +??P26
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- kingsley just joined
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- +PaulaP
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- zakim, mute me please
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- LeeF should now be muted
- 14:06:20 [ivan]
- scribenick: Karen
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- Ivan welcomes Harry
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- ack leef
- 14:06:57 [ivan]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:06:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, ??P26, PaulaP (muted)
- 14:06:59 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see HarryH, kidehen, Karen, bengee, PaulaP, LeeF, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan
- 14:07:27 [Karen]
- Harry is from University of Edinburgh, chair of GRDDL Working Group
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- Karen is development officer, outreach and education
- 14:07:40 [LeeF]
- zakim, mute me
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- LeeF should now be muted
- 14:07:47 [Karen]
- Benjamin Nowak, PHP, works from Germany
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- Kingsley
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- Paula works on standardization activities; EU network of excellence; located at Univ. of Munich
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- Ivan: Let's do GRDDL discussion
- 14:08:59 [Karen]
- ...what is needed to be done, Harry?
- 14:09:15 [Karen]
- Harry: GRDDL is now a recommendation; well supported by SW libraries; Beckets and Gena
- 14:09:22 [kidehen]
- HarryH: for audience, what is GRDDL?
- 14:09:25 [Karen]
- ...get GRDDL employed on XML and common formats
- 14:09:39 [Karen]
- ...implementations are stable, good reviews from blogosphere
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- ...need to make GRDDL transformations
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- ...for microformats
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- ...stabilize for trust, security, reliability
- 14:10:17 [Karen]
- ...XSLT or other language transformation from some HTML into RDF
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- ...GRDDL has mechanism to put XSLT transformation into namespace document
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- ...linked from namespace document; a GRDDL-aware processor checks to see if it's GRDDL enabled, and outputs the RDF automatically
- 14:11:04 [Karen]
- ...good for linked project, add more RDF to Semantic Web
- 14:11:15 [Karen]
- ...many microformat Web pages that could be RDF-ized
- 14:11:32 [Karen]
- ...main selling point of GRDDL is no additional work for the document producers and consumers
- 14:11:38 [Karen]
- ...if they use GRDDL enabled software
- 14:11:51 [Karen]
- ...I can list a number of vocabularies, I'd like to hear what people are using
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- Ivan: In HTML world, you can also use the profile URI for the same purpose
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- Harry: Yes, you can consider a profile URI similar to a name space document
- 14:12:24 [Karen]
- ...you have to have HTML as root name space
- 14:12:33 [Karen]
- ...you can put a profile attribute in head, point to URI
- 14:12:37 [Zakim]
- +Melli
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- 14:12:42 [Karen]
- ...say, "there is more customized information"
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- ...you can also put GRDDL transformations there
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- Ivan: welcomes Melli
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- +Leo
- 14:13:21 [Karen]
- Melli: With database semantic technologies group at Oracle; we support W3C SW standards like RDF and OWL
- 14:13:33 [Karen]
- Ivan welcomes Leo
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- +??P31
- 14:13:41 [uldis]
- Zakim, ??p31 is uldis
- 14:13:42 [Zakim]
- +uldis; got it
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- Leo: Do SW research, lead governing task in SWEO
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- Uldis from DERI Galway
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- ...working on Semantically interlinked online communities
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- Harry: One of question brought up in GRDDL work
- 14:14:24 [Karen]
- ...what Oracle's position is?
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- ...GRDDL being new W3C standard to convert legacy data to RDF
- 14:14:40 [kidehen]
- HarryH: provide test suite URI
- 14:14:42 [Karen]
- Melli: Yes, we have talked about it
- 14:14:51 [Karen]
- ...currently we are not looking at it, but hope to look at it soon
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- Harry: Thanks
- 14:15:14 [Karen]
- ...Question to audience, what do you have RDF transformations for already?
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- Ivan: any takers?
- 14:15:40 [Karen]
- Leo: EBXML
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- ebXML?
- 14:15:53 [Karen]
- ...Electronic Business Exchange Format
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- RDF transform?
- 14:15:59 [Karen]
- ...business cases are interesting
- 14:16:00 [kidehen]
- HarryH: XBRL
- 14:16:07 [Karen]
- ...we could not talk about doing geo or photos
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- geo XML format?
- 14:16:18 [Karen]
- Harry: Geo XML format is standardized?
- 14:16:23 [leobard]
- geordf is from w3c
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- Geo microformat
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- Ivan: Kingsley put in XBRL
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- q+
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- Harry: Do we have a transform for XBRL?
- 14:17:00 [Karen]
- XBRL ontology; we're working on this in the background
- 14:17:09 [Karen]
- ...you have these XML schemas for these XML documents
- 14:17:13 [ivan]
- ack karen
- 14:17:14 [Karen]
- ...we don't have anything right now
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- q+
- 14:18:45 [Karen]
- Karen: mentions Graham Rong at MIT Sloan's interest in XBRL
- 14:18:54 [Karen]
- Kingsley: How can we get W3C involved?
- 14:19:05 [Karen]
- ...I'm doing this with Graham; I met him at SemWeb gathering
- 14:19:17 [Karen]
- ...he is not further than other participants in XBRL ontology
- 14:19:30 [ivan]
- ack bengee
- 14:19:34 [Karen]
- ...Kingsley to send Karen email on XBRL subject
- 14:19:54 [kidehen]
- bengee
- 14:20:07 [Karen]
- Bengee: Can we provide hooks to non-XSLT transformations?
- 14:20:24 [Karen]
- ...build from broken HTML; apply a parser like transformation; written in PHP
- 14:20:32 [Karen]
- Harry: Throw me a link to that
- 14:20:42 [Karen]
- ...We support XSLT because that's what everyone was using
- 14:20:51 [Karen]
- ...we could use PHP methodology to test
- 14:20:57 [Karen]
- Ivan: Do we have a GRDDL engine?
- 14:21:15 [Karen]
- Harry: No, all the test cases are written using XSLT; I can ask Andy and Dave Beckett
- 14:21:29 [Karen]
- ...not sure how difficult it would be to call an [] processor
- 14:21:48 [Karen]
- Bengee: If it doesn't work; one issue I had was deciding how to transform microformats to RDF
- 14:22:10 [Karen]
- ...from SWEO perspective, we could point people tomappings for selective vocabularies; get the same output
- 14:22:46 [Karen]
- Harry: Microformats in theory, no resistence from community to use GRDDL; but what needs to be done is stabilizing the RDF mapping of the microformats
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- hCal microformat
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- ...often the RDF vocabulary is unclear
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- RDFCalendar
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- ...map into RDF calendar
- 14:23:06 [leobard]
- q+
- 14:23:09 [Karen]
- ...I haven't seen much coming out
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- ...wonder if SWEO is monitoring that
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- Kingsley: I use it
- 14:23:35 [Karen]
- Ivan: Action Bengee, please send references on PHP to Harry
- 14:23:39 [ivan]
- action: bengee to send references of the PHP stuff to Harry
- 14:23:56 [Karen]
- Bengee: Are you using XSLT?
- 14:24:11 [Karen]
- Kingsley: We start off with GRDDL-based; also home-grown
- 14:24:20 [HarryH]
- RDFCalendar W3C Note: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/
- 14:24:26 [ivan]
- ack leo
- 14:24:27 [leobard]
- just for the note: with Bengees thing, GRDDL may not be needed at all, you just could add a link "REL" on top, adding the current URL as referrer/parameter for Bengees web-service
- 14:24:28 [Karen]
- ...and [] based; we'll expose what we're mapping to in a document
- 14:24:33 [Karen]
- Leo: Two things:
- 14:24:44 [kidehen]
- bengee: I'll put out Sponger paper in the next day or so
- 14:24:49 [Karen]
- ...All GRDDL is about transforming links on top of document
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- ...add these transform links to document
- 14:25:08 [Karen]
- ...add transform statement; then point to Web service with Web link
- 14:25:25 [Karen]
- ...and point to Bengee's Web Service; user agent will go up rail and get transformation from there
- 14:25:25 [kidehen]
- bengee: it will contain list of GRDDL-XSLT, HomeGrown-XSLT, and our native PL RDFizers
- 14:25:47 [Karen]
- ...As SWEO, what people need to do is add GRDDL to their Web sites
- 14:26:01 [Karen]
- ...we need people need to add transform links; is this correct?
- 14:26:07 [Karen]
- Harry: you can put link to XSLT
- 14:26:21 [Karen]
- ...get everyone to support that; name space document so you don't have to add a transform
- 14:26:29 [Karen]
- ...transform to RDF without additional work
- 14:26:48 [Karen]
- Leo: Inform people about name space document
- 14:27:03 [Karen]
- Harry: may be easier to do that than go after document producers directly
- 14:27:09 [Karen]
- ...get network effect of key users
- 14:27:13 [HarryH]
- Atom - Danny Ayers
- 14:27:16 [Karen]
- ...Danny Ayers is looking at Atom
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- ...Dublin Core would support
- 14:27:22 [HarryH]
- Dublin core said they support it..
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- hCard
- 14:27:33 [Karen]
- ...already supports it
- 14:27:40 [Karen]
- Ivan: Where are we with stable V card?
- 14:27:45 [Karen]
- Harry: I think we are close
- 14:27:54 [Karen]
- ...also microformats I'm not sure how to map
- 14:27:56 [HarryH]
- hReview
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- Tom Heath
- 14:28:04 [Karen]
- ...we need an RDF vocabulary for Hreview
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- Tagging
- 14:28:07 [Karen]
- ...RDF needed
- 14:28:11 [Karen]
- ...Tom Gruber working on that
- 14:28:13 [HarryH]
- Tom Gruber TagCommons SCOT project
- 14:28:19 [kidehen]
- HarryH: SCOT for tags
- 14:28:20 [HarryH]
- relTag
- 14:28:23 [Karen]
- ...low hanging fruit
- 14:28:27 [leobard]
- we also have skos for tags
- 14:28:28 [HarryH]
- geo
- 14:28:32 [HarryH]
- geoRDF stable?
- 14:28:39 [HarryH]
- URI?
- 14:28:52 [uldis]
- http:/scot-project.org/
- 14:28:58 [leobard]
- http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#
- 14:29:11 [Karen]
- Harry: what's lacking is XSLTs and stabilization
- 14:29:18 [Karen]
- Ivan: What should be done to get the word out?
- 14:29:24 [Karen]
- ...I maintain a site on Semantic Web tools
- 14:29:30 [Karen]
- ...no reference right now on GRDDL
- 14:29:41 [Karen]
- ...you have collected information on GRDDL tools; good to put on site
- 14:29:44 [ivan]
- -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebTools sem web tools
- 14:29:55 [Karen]
- ...put a reference to other pages, or incorporate to this
- 14:30:00 [Karen]
- ...we try to keep this site up to date
- 14:30:13 [Karen]
- ...start from there, find good information on which microformats are properly transformable
- 14:30:22 [Karen]
- Harry: On GRDDL home page
- 14:30:26 [HarryH]
- GRDDL WG: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/
- 14:30:36 [leobard]
- hay, are there any pointy powerpoints about GRDDL?
- 14:30:37 [Karen]
- ...get to GRDDL primer
- 14:30:47 [HarryH]
- GRDDL Primer: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/
- 14:30:49 [Karen]
- ...has lots of examples of things people can run using online Web Services
- 14:30:55 [Karen]
- ...also have a tutorial
- 14:31:01 [Karen]
- ...Dan Connolly and I did
- 14:31:07 [Karen]
- ...welcome to edit slides
- 14:31:12 [HarryH]
- GRDDL Tutorial: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/tut7/gtut#(1)
- 14:31:14 [Karen]
- ...also links to papers
- 14:31:29 [Karen]
- ...that use GRDDL; like Henry Thomson's work; lots of educational material
- 14:31:36 [Karen]
- ...key adopters and blogs to get the word out
- 14:31:36 [HarryH]
- GRDDLize any pages you have as well?
- 14:31:48 [Karen]
- Ivan: Specifically, who and how should we move on about tools on tool page?
- 14:31:57 [Karen]
- ...will you take action?
- 14:32:12 [Karen]
- Harry: Tools; there is a list of GRDDL implementations
- 14:32:18 [HarryH]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/GrddlImplementations
- 14:32:20 [Karen]
- ...what more precisely do you need?
- 14:32:30 [Karen]
- Ivan: Many people start with Semantic Web tools
- 14:32:42 [Karen]
- ...we need a reference to link the tools; wiki page
- 14:32:51 [Karen]
- ...also have somewhere a list of those microformats
- 14:32:57 [Karen]
- ...that are GRDDL-able
- 14:33:01 [Karen]
- Harry: yes, we can link that
- 14:33:14 [Karen]
- Ivan: We should put this information into our database, Leo
- 14:33:26 [Karen]
- Leo: yes, no problem; we can do this
- 14:33:35 [ivan]
- action: harry extending tool list on the wiki
- 14:33:58 [ivan]
- action: leo look at the page of grddable microformats
- 14:34:26 [HarryH]
- GRDDL Mappings: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
- 14:34:30 [Karen]
- Ivan: Danny is looking at collection of tutorials; please talk with him
- 14:34:39 [Karen]
- ...Does anyone know the site that Danny started?
- 14:34:41 [Karen]
- Leo: yes
- 14:34:49 [leobard]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/RecommendedTutorials
- 14:35:05 [Karen]
- Ivan: so we begin to collect GRDDL tutorials
- 14:35:07 [Karen]
- ...what else?
- 14:35:22 [Karen]
- ...there is now a GRDDL button from the logo project
- 14:35:33 [Karen]
- Harry: Can someone send me the link?
- 14:35:43 [ivan]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html logos
- 14:35:54 [Karen]
- ...all the SW logos
- 14:36:10 [Karen]
- ...separate work on application of logos
- 14:36:18 [Karen]
- ...What else can SWEO do?
- 14:36:32 [Karen]
- Harry: Pass off some key contact people to SWEO
- 14:36:44 [Karen]
- ...Kingsley, XBRL project perhaps?
- 14:36:58 [Karen]
- Kingsley: we need to get URIs done for companies; stock exchange symbols for example
- 14:37:06 [Karen]
- ...we are plodding along; it's a large project
- 14:37:20 [Karen]
- Harry: It would be useful to monitor progress of GRDDL-izing Atom
- 14:37:37 [Karen]
- ...Danny Ayers is key person for that
- 14:37:46 [Karen]
- Ivan: the current charter of SWEO runs out in March
- 14:37:55 [Karen]
- ...how information is maintained long-term is another discussion
- 14:38:01 [leobard]
- q+
- 14:38:23 [Karen]
- ...we need to revisit SWEO next steps
- 14:38:30 [Karen]
- Harry: Are there other SWEO deliverables?
- 14:38:34 [ivan]
- ack leo
- 14:38:49 [Karen]
- Leo: What we publish, and what will outlive us are the use cases and case studies
- 14:39:03 [Karen]
- ...we could blog more
- 14:39:19 [HarryH]
- GRDDL Use-Cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/
- 14:40:12 [HarryH]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/#scheduling_use_case
- 14:40:39 [ivan]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ SWEO Use Cases
- 14:40:55 [HarryH]
- Mixing Reviews with GRDDL: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/#hotel
- 14:41:10 [Karen]
- Ivan: we have real deployed SW applications, use cases
- 14:41:21 [Karen]
- ...if you know good input for that, based on GRDDL that would be great
- 14:41:33 [Karen]
- ...our current use cases are based on RDF and OWL, but nothing based on GRDDL
- 14:41:42 [Karen]
- ...it would be great to have a GRDDL case to add
- 14:41:50 [HarryH]
- SWEO: outreach?
- 14:41:51 [Karen]
- Harry: Part of job as SWEO is outreach, yes?
- 14:42:00 [HarryH]
- To outreach to actually makes these use-cases.
- 14:42:04 [HarryH]
- Revyu
- 14:42:09 [Karen]
- ...by Tom Heath
- 14:42:18 [HarryH]
- Someone to stabilize for RDF review vocabulary
- 14:42:27 [Karen]
- ...his site uses Microformats
- 14:42:41 [Karen]
- ...that would make mixing reviews a real-world use case with real live data
- 14:42:46 [Karen]
- ...anyone could use and find useful
- 14:43:07 [HarryH]
- http://revyu.com/
- 14:43:11 [Karen]
- ...As GRDDL winds down, we have limited resources now; perhaps someone can contact Tom
- 14:43:26 [Karen]
- Ivan: We are talking different things
- 14:43:29 [leobard]
- we could publish a challenge: grddlize a website and prove of some useful thing that can now be done
- 14:43:32 [HarryH]
- HP does with GRDDL internally?
- 14:43:46 [Karen]
- Ivan: In which operation is GRDDL already used?
- 14:43:47 [HarryH]
- The only organization that uses GRDDL internally is the W3C.
- 14:43:58 [HarryH]
- Outreach the problem.
- 14:44:00 [leobard]
- q+
- 14:44:01 [HarryH]
- GRDDL Rec status.
- 14:44:17 [kidehen]
- HarryH: OpenLink uses GRDDL in it's Sponger Middleware
- 14:44:18 [Karen]
- ...it just reached rec status; if SWEO had spare cycles, it would be good use of time
- 14:44:22 [Karen]
- ...I don't know of some
- 14:44:23 [ivan]
- ack leo
- 14:44:27 [Karen]
- Leo: What we could do
- 14:44:35 [Karen]
- ...pose another challenge for a community project
- 14:45:18 [Karen]
- ...people blog about it
- 14:45:37 [Karen]
- Harry: There are several large calendaring sites that use Microformats
- 14:45:47 [Karen]
- Kingsley: Upcoming, Eventful
- 14:45:54 [HarryH]
- Eventful and Upcoming use micro-format?
- 14:46:01 [HarryH]
- Use the profile URI in their website?
- 14:46:04 [Karen]
- Harry: Yes, these are microformat based; could be useful to ask if they want to use profile URI in Web site
- 14:46:11 [HarryH]
- That would be more real data.
- 14:46:18 [Karen]
- Leo: One page abstract of how it works would be good
- 14:46:25 [Karen]
- ...then we publish this as a challenge
- 14:46:27 [bengee]
- we need the profile URLs first, though
- 14:46:29 [Karen]
- ...hope a small hacker does it
- 14:46:37 [bengee]
- sweo is not really producing code
- 14:46:45 [Karen]
- Kingsley: I think there is a Firefox plug-in for GRDDL?
- 14:47:08 [HarryH]
- Firefox plug-in creators in SWEO - Operator is supported?
- 14:47:22 [Karen]
- Harry: Another way to do it, contact people who run Eventful and Upcoming directly
- 14:47:27 [Karen]
- ...they have contact pages
- 14:47:28 [HarryH]
- Contact Eventful and Upcoming.org directly?
- 14:47:35 [Karen]
- ...no, we don't have personal contacts to them
- 14:47:45 [leobard]
- +1 for contacting the eventful and upcoming people, thats nice
- 14:48:19 [Karen]
- Kingsley: What I think we need is somebody to do a plain English demonstration
- 14:48:25 [Karen]
- ...of how GRDDL exposes the dataweb
- 14:48:30 [kidehen]
- all: http://www.openlinksw.com/dataspace/kidehen@openlinksw.com/weblog/kidehen@openlinksw.com%27s%20BLOG%20%5B127%5D/1258
- 14:48:32 [Karen]
- ...here is link of guy
- 14:48:44 [kidehen]
- http://www.commoncraft.com/video-social-networking
- 14:48:52 [Karen]
- ...let's look at social networking
- 14:48:56 [Karen]
- ...I spoke with this guy
- 14:49:05 [Karen]
- ...If we can get him to take something simple to demonstrate
- 14:49:07 [HarryH]
- Contact Eventful: http://about.eventful.com/contact.html
- 14:49:12 [Karen]
- ...show how SW can crystalize
- 14:49:20 [Karen]
- ...that would be great education and outreach
- 14:49:23 [Karen]
- ...watch the clips
- 14:49:26 [Karen]
- Harry: yes, I'll look
- 14:49:50 [Karen]
- ...One-page challenge; contact people would be good
- 14:49:55 [Karen]
- Ivan: So question is, who is that?
- 14:50:05 [Karen]
- ...who can write this challenge text?
- 14:50:18 [Karen]
- Kingsley: I don't think that's the issue
- 14:50:38 [Karen]
- ...Impact of GRDDL is not new, just needs more collateral
- 14:50:44 [Karen]
- Harry: People just need to know about it
- 14:51:04 [Karen]
- Kingsley: Challenges are not way to convey the message; it's about communication
- 14:51:24 [Karen]
- Ivan: You have to have people know how to use it in practice
- 14:51:39 [Karen]
- ...challenge idea is that someone comes up with a challenging implementation of some ideas; then add those lines
- 14:51:54 [Karen]
- Kingsley: I don't know how many people on this call have looked at the GRDDL work
- 14:51:58 [Karen]
- ...I don't know who will respond
- 14:52:07 [Karen]
- ...who can produce anything better?
- 14:52:23 [Karen]
- Harry: Get current Web sites that are Microformat supported, you can blog about it
- 14:52:51 [Karen]
- Kingsley: Get users to adopt, have to show value
- 14:53:00 [Karen]
- Harry: XTech used it after we contacted them
- 14:53:07 [Karen]
- ...they GRDDL-enabled their pages
- 14:53:12 [HarryH]
- http://2007.xtech.org/public/news
- 14:53:14 [Karen]
- ...to them it's a few minutes of their time
- 14:53:22 [HarryH]
- Adding profile @?
- 14:53:25 [HarryH]
- Very simple
- 14:53:37 [Karen]
- Ivan: Problem is XTech; those are hackers; we have to convince people outside that circle
- 14:53:51 [Karen]
- ...that it's worthwhile to do; provide convincing things they can do with it
- 14:53:59 [Karen]
- ...challenge idea of Leo is in this direciton
- 14:54:07 [Karen]
- Harry: I have five more minutes
- 14:54:20 [Karen]
- ...I would support a challenge if someone else writes it up
- 14:54:35 [Karen]
- ...someone should ping players who support microformats; ask to add profile to their site
- 14:54:52 [kidehen]
- HarryH: Do you have list of web hubs that you would like to incorporate GRDDL? A list will help
- 14:55:04 [Karen]
- ...if anyone does get XSLT; read primer, how to GRDDL upgrade XML vocabulary
- 14:55:10 [Karen]
- ...Eventful is first on my list to contact
- 14:55:21 [kidehen]
- Ivan: ditto re. players that you think would need convincing etc?
- 14:55:21 [Karen]
- ...Flickr supports
- 14:55:29 [bengee]
- one problem is that even individual (low-size) sites are reluctant to add profile URLs to their personal mf-enabled sites
- 14:55:41 [HarryH]
- Revyu?
- 14:55:54 [Karen]
- Ivan: who thinks they can write the challenge text?
- 14:56:06 [Karen]
- ...or we can ask on mailing list
- 14:56:23 [Karen]
- Ivan: Bengee, can you write email to SWEO list?
- 14:56:24 [kidehen]
- HarryH: Revyu we can deal with once we have the Ontology etc..
- 14:56:37 [HarryH]
- LinkedIn uses hResume, but we don't have a Resume RDF vocabulary to my knowledge..
- 14:56:49 [Karen]
- Action Leo: write to SWEOmailing list
- 14:57:01 [Karen]
- Ivan: next, we have to write contact persons
- 14:57:15 [kidehen]
- HarryH: Uldis has a Vocabulary that may be useful
- 14:57:23 [bengee]
- we need a non-microformats use case that shows GRDDL's utility
- 14:57:43 [Karen]
- Kingsley: Give me the names and I can contact them
- 14:57:58 [Karen]
- ...make a list
- 14:58:24 [Karen]
- Harry: Dan Connolly has talked to people at LinkedIn
- 14:58:24 [HarryH]
- Revyu, LinkedIn, Eventful, Flickr. I just don't know names. I'd e-mail Dan Connolly and e-mail Brian Suda about the Web 2.0 services.
- 14:58:37 [Karen]
- Ivan: Would it be possible to put it on the GRDDL group call?
- 14:58:44 [Zakim]
- -PaulaP
- 14:58:49 [Karen]
- Harry: What's needed is for one person to be the contact point
- 14:58:59 [Karen]
- ...keep pressing this person
- 14:59:03 [Zakim]
- -LeeF
- 14:59:15 [HarryH]
- We'll try to get a list from the next GRDDL WG.
- 14:59:30 [Karen]
- Action: Harry will take to next GRDDL meeting
- 14:59:36 [Karen]
- Ivan thanks Harry
- 14:59:52 [Karen]
- ...SW logos are out
- 15:00:00 [Karen]
- ...I have updated the Activity page
- 15:00:04 [Karen]
- ...I'll add it to the blog
- 15:00:12 [Karen]
- ...this is done, it's a good job
- 15:00:20 [Karen]
- ...meeting adjourned
- 15:00:21 [Zakim]
- - +1.603.897.aabb
- 15:00:22 [Zakim]
- -Harry
- 15:00:22 [Zakim]
- -??P26
- 15:00:24 [Zakim]
- -bengee
- 15:00:26 [Zakim]
- -uldis
- 15:00:27 [Zakim]
- -Leo
- 15:00:57 [Karen]
- RSS Agent, please generate minutes
- 15:01:25 [Karen]
- RSSAgent, please generate minutes
- 15:01:47 [Karen]
- RRSAgent, please generate minutes
- 15:01:47 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-sweo-minutes.html Karen
- 15:02:13 [Zakim]
- -Karen
- 15:02:15 [Zakim]
- SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
- 15:02:19 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, PaulaP, Melli, Leo, uldis
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