IRC log of rdfa on 2007-09-27
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-irc
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- zakim, this will be rdfa
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- ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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- Meeting: RDFa Task Force
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- SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-09-20
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- +ShaneM
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0242.html
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- +??P15
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- +Ralph
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- zakim, ??p15 is Manu
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- +Manu; got it
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- +benadida
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see ShaneM, Manu, Ralph, benadida
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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- Regrets: Michael
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- Chair: Ben
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- zakim, dial steven-617
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- ok, Steven; the call is being made
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- +Steven
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- +??P31
- 15:08:40 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, i am ?
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- +markbirbeck; got it
- 15:09:49 [benadida]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steven
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- Scribe: Steven
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- Topic: Action Items
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- http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
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- ACTION: Manu draft some partitioning language that is technology-neutral [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
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- -- done
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- Manu: Is it worked in?
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- Mark: Yes, sort of
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- ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
- 15:12:16 [Steven]
- -- pending
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- ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
- 15:12:38 [Steven]
- -- pending
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- ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
- 15:13:02 [Steven]
- --pending
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- ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
- 15:13:13 [Steven]
- -- pending
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- ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
- 15:13:24 [Steven]
- -- pending
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- Ben: I'm working through some issues this week, but we're making progress
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- Topic: FtF Planning
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
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- ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about FtF
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- s/FtF/review for FtF/
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- q+
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- Ben: Mark will lead the discussion, it will be Monday morning
- 15:16:15 [benadida]
- agenda for f2f: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
- 15:16:46 [Steven]
- Ben: I hope you will demo some stuff
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- q+
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- Ben: Shane, you are joining by phone?
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- Shane: My plan, but I need to see a schedule
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- Ben: Ralph, going?
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- Ralph: Not sure yet
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- Manu: Mark, beware of live demos
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- Steven: Yes, I had a similar problem yesterday at a talk
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- Ben: Please demo my clipboard if you have time
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- q-
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- q+
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- q-
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- [Discussion of current uses of RDFa]
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- q-
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- Topic: Status of Implementations
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- q+
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- Ben: We need this information to show that there is progress
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- Mark: My implementation is coming on nicely
- 15:30:32 [Steven]
- ... the RDFa part needs to be modularised still
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- ... so that people could pick it up separately
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- q+
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- Ben: Is it a part of Sidewinder?
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- Mark: No, it is 3 or 4 javascript files
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- ... in libXH
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- ... as I call it
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- Ben: Can it manage the test cases?
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- Mark: Yep
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- Ben: We have Ivan's Distiller
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- ... Elias's Pythion implementation, not up to date
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- ... there is Operator
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- Manu: Not up to date yet
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- s/Distiller/Distiller, up to date/
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- Manu: Operator will be in Firefox 3, and then in SOngbird
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- ... so RDFGa will be just there
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- s/SO/So/
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- s/RDFGa/RDFa/
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- Ben: My Javascript implementation is not yet up to date
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- ... the bookmarklet
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- ... then RDFa Monkey, I don't know the state
- 15:35:28 [RalphS]
- -> http://www.avthasselt.sohosted.com/rdfamonkey/ RDFa monkey
- 15:35:37 [Steven]
- ... Fabien's XSLT, it is up to date, modulo a whitespace issue
- 15:36:14 [RalphS]
- (RDFa monkey home page cites Elias' test files, not the more recent ones)
- 15:36:22 [Steven]
- ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info
- 15:36:38 [benadida]
- implementations -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#head-681001ee6c73e87bd692e29693b3904e462fd9f2
- 15:36:40 [Steven]
- Ben: there are some other implementations, Java and Python
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- Manu: How about IE? I heard they are adding microformats
- 15:39:00 [Steven]
- Shane: How about Chris Wilson?
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- Ben: Do you want to talk to him?
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- ACTION: Shane to contact Chris Wilson
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- \--done
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- -- done
- 15:39:52 [RalphS]
- -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa list of some RDFa implementations
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- Topic: Status of Test Cases
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- Ben: Deferred til next time
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- s/til/till/
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- Ben: Isee your message about href everywhere Shane
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- ... we did resolve to accept that
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- Shane: Yes, and I have today fixed that
- 15:45:07 [Steven]
- Ben: Should we update the editor's draft and tell the reviewers?
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- Ralph: It would be good
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- Shane: I made a couple of editorial fixes too
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- ACTION: Shane to send a link to Ben
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- s/link/link to new editor's draft/
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- Topic: XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0216
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- Ben: There is a problem that the XHTML namespace doesn't end with a hash or slash
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- Mark: In the section on unprefixed values, I say that it uses the XHTML namespace with a hash on the end
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- ... but we should move away from the idea that these are namespaces
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- ... so we are not talking about changing the XHTML namespace, but defining the prefix
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- ... but there is a problem with overlap with the role attribute
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- ... they are so close, they ought to use the same system
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- Shane: There can't be multiple default prefixes for CURIES
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- Ben: But rel can have a magic property using reserved words
- 15:52:28 [Steven]
- Steven: I would be happy if we could avoid special rules and magic
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- Ben: I think it is a special case because of backwards compatibility
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- ... rel="foobar" is not even allowed
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- Mark: It is if you have a @profile
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- ... so there are docs with a profile, with non-HTML rels
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- ... and quite valid therefore
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- Ben: So the specific issue
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- ... we do need a default prefix URL, alsoi that ends in a hash or slash
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- Steven: Why does it matter?
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- Mark: Because of round-tripping, which strictly RDF doesn't support
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- ... but is a sort of standard practice
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- .. in one case we would have the concept of xhtmlnext, as opposed to xhtml:next
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- ... it is only convention
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- s/.. in/... in/
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- Ralph: I like the idea of Shane's to use Apache redirecting to redirect xhtmlnext to something else
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- Mark: WHy do we care; we can add a hash without a problem
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- s/WH/Wh/
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- Mark: We can add the relations to their own subnamespace
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- ... otherwise just straght to the XHTML namespace
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- s/strag/straig/
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- example http://creativecommons.org/ns#
- 16:02:24 [Steven]
- Ben: THat is the CC namesapce
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- Shane: XHTML already has things under xhtml/ so I would expect objections to the simple concatenation xhtmlnext
- 16:02:30 [Steven]
- s/TH/Th/
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- /1999/xhtml/ns#
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- Mark: In the Modularization schemas we have 1999/xhtml/datatypes
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- /1999/xhtml/vocab#
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- /1999/xhtml/?#
- 16:04:12 [Steven]
- ... so we could have 1999/xhtml/vocab# or something
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- Ben: I like the word vocab as being general
- 16:04:53 [Steven]
- ... anyone object?
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- SHane: Mostly harmless
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- s/SH/Sh/
- 16:07:00 [benadida]
- PROPOSE that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for next, prev, etc...
- 16:07:31 [Steven]
- Ben: Deciding about nofollow is another issue
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- Ralph: Second
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- Ben: Opposed?
- 16:08:50 [Steven]
- Mark: We can't speak for the whole XHTML2 WG, but I think it is the best option
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- Mark: +1 to it
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- RESOLUTION: that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for next, prev, etc..
- 16:09:56 [ShaneM]
- New draft of rdfa-syntax is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/
- 16:10:19 [Steven]
- Ben: This doesn't solve the issue of whether we should special-case the the legacy rels
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- ... we'll treat that another week
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- ADJOURN
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- -markbirbeck
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- -Ralph
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- -Manu
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- -Steven
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- -ShaneM
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- -benadida
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- SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were ShaneM, Ralph, Manu, benadida, Steven, markbirbeck
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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