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13:51:40 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:51:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
13:51:42 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:51:44 <trackbot-ng> Date: 21 August 2007
13:52:00 <jo> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:53:54 <jo> zakim, code?
13:53:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
13:54:40 <jo> Meeting: BPWG Checker Task Force Teleconference
13:54:51 <jo> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:54:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-bpwg-minutes.html jo
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13:57:33 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:40 <Zakim> + +020899aaaa
13:57:51 <srowen> zakim, number?
13:57:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, srowen.
13:57:54 <jo> zakim, aaaa is me
13:57:54 <Zakim> +jo; got it
13:57:59 <jo> zakim, code?
13:57:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
13:58:03 <srowen> (thanks)
13:58:30 <jo> Chair: Sean
13:58:30 <Zakim> +Sean_Owen
13:58:39 <jo> Present: Sean, Jo
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14:01:03 <Zakim> + +49.221.650.07.aabb
14:01:25 <roland> zakim, +49.221.650.07.aabb is roland
14:01:25 <Zakim> +roland; got it
14:01:26 <srowen> Good morning all. This should be a short but productive call. Key topics are: F2F, status, and then discussion of several particular technical issues
14:01:34 <srowen> (Or good evening.)
14:01:34 <Zakim> +dom
14:01:55 <jo> Present+ Dom, Roland
14:02:07 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:02:43 <Zakim> +luis_polo
14:02:58 <Zakim> -dom
14:03:05 <abel> zakim, luis_polo is me
14:03:05 <Zakim> +abel; got it
14:03:13 <jo> zakim, luis_polo is really Abel
14:03:13 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'luis_polo'
14:03:35 <jo> Present+ Abel
14:04:20 <jo> Topic: Agenda
14:04:27 <jo> Scribenick: jo
14:04:50 <jo> Sean: topics are F2F, Status and Tech Issues
14:04:54 <jo> Topic: F2F
14:05:14 <jo> Sean: we are on for sept 4-6 at Nice?
14:05:34 <jo> ... has everyone seen the logistics? Any concerns?
14:06:02 <jo> Roland: I am only going to be there on the 4th and 5th
14:06:31 <jo> Abel: Nacho is on holiday, I think he made the reservation
14:06:50 <jo> ... as soon as I have talked to him I'll send mail saying when we are arriving etc.
14:07:14 <Zakim> +Dom
14:07:30 <dom> 2283 is
14:08:11 <dom> ack me
14:08:13 <Zakim> + +03531854aacc
14:08:22 <jo> sean: do we have anything to do ref meeting rooms etc.
14:08:35 <jo> dom: do we want to have a conference bridge?
14:09:00 <jo> sean: think we'll be OK without that, are we OK for the room for the 6th?
14:09:05 <jo> dom: yes
14:09:13 <jo> zakim, aacc is Rudahan
14:09:13 <Zakim> +Rudahan; got it
14:09:21 <jo> Present+ Ruadhan
14:09:42 <jo> zakim, who is noisy?
14:09:53 <Zakim> jo, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Dom (34%), Sean_Owen (38%)
14:10:01 <jo> zakim, mute dom
14:10:01 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:10:13 <Zakim> + +1.212.565.aadd
14:10:28 <jo> zakim, aadd is Laura
14:10:28 <Zakim> +Laura; got it
14:10:33 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/10 list of action items for the checker task force
14:10:38 <jo> present+ Laura
14:10:44 <jo> Topic: Status
14:11:02 <jo> Laura: mainly sorting things out with how we are going to do the CSS
14:11:33 <jo> ... trying to figure out how to do the @IMPORT and @MEDIA rules
14:11:49 <jo> ... I will try to get the 8 tests done by next Weds which is when I am leaving
14:12:26 <jo> Abel: I have been looking at the Saxon parser
14:12:37 <jo> ... strange characters
14:13:02 <jo> ... I have doubts about the approach we are taking on CSS
14:13:29 <jo> ... we are using Java objects and XPATH on moki
14:13:45 <jo> ... problem with the validator is with imported CSS
14:13:50 <jo> ... as discussed on the list
14:14:04 <jo> Sean: yes, there are several issues to discuss around that
14:14:49 <jo> Roland: last two weeks I have been on holiday and before that playing around with XSLT but I have lost all my changes as a result of a disk crash
14:15:22 <jo> ruadhan: I haven' t had much time recently, but I did commit some test cases I will try to put more time in
14:15:52 <jo> sean: I haven't been very active, but looking over Laura's shoulders looks generally good
14:16:05 <jo> ... I am hoping that the hard parts are over
14:16:24 <jo> ... and that it is just a case of finishing up
14:16:33 <jo> Topic: CSS handling
14:16:52 <jo> Sean: laura implemented the tests outside of the CSS serialization
14:17:18 <jo> ... so what should we do with the code and will our proposed approach work?
14:17:52 <jo> Laura: we decided to do some pre-processing on the content of the CSS so the validator doesn't do the wrong thing
14:18:17 <jo> ... so the approach is that as we go through we will collect the URLs for the included style sheets
14:18:39 <jo> ... and then we run the validator on what remains
14:19:09 <jo> sean: so the approach is to manually process imports and @media rules
14:20:46 <jo> jo: I am worried by this approach but don't have much else to offer
14:21:18 <jo> and wonder if the preprocessed stuff ought to appear in moki
14:21:39 <jo> sean: I agree but don't think it is as bad as it seems in practice
14:21:55 <jo> Topic: CSS serialization in XML
14:22:04 <jo> Sean: we have talked about this a lot
14:22:27 <jo> ... but we don't necessarily have to have that for this project
14:22:40 <jo> ... what do we want to do with this code?
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14:24:36 <jo> jo: was wondering if the code in CSS Utils came from somewhere else
14:30:20 <jo> sean: let's continue this on the list
14:30:40 <jo> Topic: Extraneous attributes in output
14:31:24 <jo> sean: this looks as though it has been solved by changing from Saxon to Xerces, except where Saxon is really necessary for line numbers
14:32:05 <jo> laura: yup, think Abel and I came to the same conclusion, one of us will fix
14:32:16 <jo> Topic: F2F Agenda
14:32:34 <jo> sean: use last half day as working together, review code etc.
14:32:53 <jo> ... dont'  need particular topics on that last day
14:33:17 <jo> ... use a whole day to go through state of all tests
14:34:12 <jo> ... and another to review all issues that pop up and do a gap analysis and allocate and schedule and target first release
14:34:59 <jo> ... I'll draft an agenda and circulate on the list
14:35:17 <jo> Topic: AOB
14:35:53 <jo> sean: nothing pressing, so next meeting will be in Nice
14:36:07 <jo> jo: thanks Laura for everything
14:36:11 <Zakim> -Dom
14:36:19 <dom> thanks indeed, laura
14:36:35 <Zakim> -Rudahan
14:36:35 <jo> sean: laura's done a great job and thanks!
14:36:37 <Zakim> -Laura
14:36:37 <Zakim> -Sean_Owen
14:36:39 <roland> also, thanks laura!
14:36:41 <Zakim> -jo
14:36:41 <abel_> bye
14:36:49 <Zakim> -roland
14:36:51 <roland> bye
14:36:59 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:36:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see abel
14:37:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see abel_, ruadhan, roland, srowen, Zakim, RRSAgent, matt, jo, MikeSmith, dom, trackbot-ng
14:37:03 <Zakim> -abel
14:37:04 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
14:37:06 <Zakim> Attendees were +020899aaaa, jo, Sean_Owen, roland, dom, abel, +03531854aacc, Rudahan, +1.212.565.aadd, Laura
14:37:22 <jo> zakim, bye
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14:37:32 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:37:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:37:46 <matt> Present- Matt
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