IRC log of sweo on 2007-06-20

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13:53:47 [ivan]
rrsagent, set log public
14:00:48 [Zakim]
SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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+susie
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+??P10
14:01:18 [MartinD]
zakim, ??p10 is me
14:01:18 [Zakim]
+MartinD; got it
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+Jeff_Schiffel
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+ +1.603.886.aaaa
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+??P14
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+Kingsley_Idehen
14:02:43 [bengee]
zakim, ??p14 is me
14:02:43 [Zakim]
+bengee; got it
14:04:05 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-home
14:04:07 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
14:04:54 [MartinD]
am I scribing (again)? :-)
14:05:56 [leobard]
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14:05:59 [MartinD]
action + logo update
14:06:30 [MartinD]
add agendum logo update
14:06:40 [Susie]
Martin - Lee is meant to be scribing, but he doesn't appear to be here, so would be great if you could scribe.
14:07:18 [MartinD]
bengee reports on the progress with logo, with plans for a mtg -- probably next week
14:07:43 [MartinD]
there was a mail out to the list about the logo preferences, current votes are well dispersed
14:08:08 [MartinD]
probably too early to make conclusions, currently no.1 and no.9 are emerging
14:08:28 [MartinD]
bengee added some more variations + added more technology logos
14:08:43 [Susie]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos
14:08:45 [Zakim]
+??P0
14:08:59 [leobard]
+??p0 is leobard
14:09:47 [bengee]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos/SemWebTechLogoIdeas
14:10:33 [MartinD]
also logos added for grdl, rif
14:10:36 [leobard]
zakim, ??P0 is leobard
14:10:36 [Zakim]
+leobard; got it
14:12:02 [MartinD]
there are different opinions on logos, how abstract they should be, etc.
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14:13:28 [MartinD]
first grddl seems preferred and maybe the rif one, but may be a bit abstract
14:13:40 [MartinD]
let's wait for mtg with comm. team and see what they like
14:13:48 [MartinD]
agenda+ use cases
14:14:03 [MartinD]
open agendum 1
14:14:21 [Zakim]
+??P2
14:14:44 [MartinD]
ivan updates on use cases; in particular teh Dow Jones case looks very positive and enthusiastic; the author of their tool was responsive to the request for a use case
14:14:59 [MartinD]
so far no additional feedback received from others
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14:15:54 [MartinD]
ivan also says that guys in DJ want a more active contact with W3C; ivan found they are already in W3C, so may also participate in SWEO (one day)
14:15:58 [MartinD]
close agendum 1
14:15:59 [danja_]
Zakim, ??P2 is danja_
14:15:59 [danja_]
Zakim, +??P2 is danja_
14:15:59 [Zakim]
+danja_; got it
14:16:00 [Zakim]
sorry, danja_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
14:16:08 [MartinD]
agenda+ info gathering task (leo)
14:16:14 [MartinD]
open agendum 2
14:16:28 [uldis_]
regrets, can't participate in voice call
14:16:31 [danja_]
(hi all)
14:16:37 [MartinD]
leo says that guys from openlink software are working on getting the software working
14:16:53 [MartinD]
ivan talked to info gathering group re issue of licensing
14:18:06 [MartinD]
there is a proposal for producing the content of SWEO portal under cr.commons licence, but if we are reusing other data -- that may not be compliant with CC or may not have a statement about copyright (we cnnot assume it be CC)
14:18:27 [MartinD]
maybe we can just add a disclaimer about removing data if a problem is found with its copyright?
14:19:33 [MartinD]
leo suggests checking with W3C lawyers whether this is a relevant issue and how it should be handled -- whether a statement like "This resource does not contain CC statement explicitly"
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14:20:10 [MartinD]
ivan suggests making another test of the site, so that ivan can start submitting data -- when data comes from a third party
14:21:15 [MartinD]
kingsley mentions about importing all sorts of things into portal (raw RDF, other formats,...) = more or less all is there, but this needs to be clarified
14:21:38 [MartinD]
ivan says that legal issues are more critical than actual format support, etc.
14:22:02 [MartinD]
kingsley currently waits for an agreement on legal issues
14:22:06 [Zakim]
+??P4
14:22:13 [MartinD]
portal is currently tested
14:22:21 [ivan]
zakim, ??p4 is uldis
14:22:21 [Zakim]
+uldis; got it
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-uldis
14:22:38 [uldis_]
sorry, connection dropped. reconnecting.
14:22:49 [MartinD]
data needs to be visualized -- ideas about the systems considered, no new additions to the existing list
14:23:07 [Zakim]
+??P4
14:23:10 [uldis_]
zakim, ??p4 is uldis
14:23:10 [Zakim]
+uldis; got it
14:23:18 [MartinD]
bengee, kingsley et al would discuss the selection of an appropriate technology to implement the agreed on formating, look & feel
14:23:30 [MartinD]
susie asks when we expect to have the portal running
14:24:10 [MartinD]
kingsley says the portal is done, ready... if we have a sparql endpoint, this is already a tangible deliverable
14:24:26 [MartinD]
the second step would be to deliver the same content via web front end
14:24:57 [LeeF]
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14:25:07 [MartinD]
kingsley suggests that spaql endpoint already exists, we just need to start uploading data, so phase one (SPRQL) can be ready by next week's telecon
14:25:44 [MartinD]
susie asks if there is some information available to people to learn what is already there, how to access it,...
14:25:52 [leobard]
there are two wiki pages:
14:25:53 [leobard]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary
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http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/HowtoPublish
14:26:27 [MartinD]
currently one can add either a resource directly (content) or an RDF representation of a particular resource (e.g. for use cases)
14:26:58 [MartinD]
ivan suggests that one possibility would be to use e.g. exhibit applied to parts of content to make some simple demonstrations of content
14:27:48 [MartinD]
ivan suggests we could perhaps include some additional links (e.g. to books, ...) into the submitted materials
14:28:23 [MartinD]
ACTION: by 27 June telecon, a SPARQL engine to be available for some basic demonstrations
14:29:06 [danja]
connection to OpenLinkingData great idea
14:29:15 [MartinD]
ACTION: by 4 July create some guidance for submitting materials sufficiently friendly for users (based on inputs on links given by leo above)
14:29:39 [MartinD]
close agendum 1
14:29:40 [Zakim]
+LeeF
14:29:45 [MartinD]
close agendum 2
14:30:00 [MartinD]
agenda+ URI document
14:30:09 [MartinD]
open agendum 3
14:30:34 [MartinD]
leo describes the progress in working on URI document and cnsidering how to make this public
14:30:45 [MartinD]
maybe as a tutorial it would be a useful output
14:30:59 [MartinD]
susie asks what we need to do to make it into W3C Note
14:31:31 [MartinD]
ivan says that would be about structuring, stylesheeting, a bit of editing, and then ivan can publish it under W3C node structure
14:31:54 [MartinD]
thus, document may get more credibility if published under W3C
14:32:41 [MartinD]
if put as W3C node, it would be with Leo and Richard as editors, might be also useful to include the reviewer (Stuart) as a third editor, if the comments were substantial
14:33:24 [MartinD]
would be also a good idea to include a person from other WG so that the doc has broader ownership
14:33:54 [MartinD]
broder ownership including TAG group member is good for credibility
14:34:27 [MartinD]
ACTION: leo to incorporate comments from the review into the doc by mid July
14:34:33 [MartinD]
close agendum 3
14:34:45 [MartinD]
agenda+ enterprise survey
14:34:51 [MartinD]
open agendum 4
14:35:08 [MartinD]
enterprise survey -- karen not present, so no progress
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close agendum 4
14:35:22 [MartinD]
agenda+ f2f mtg
14:35:26 [MartinD]
open agendum 5
14:36:04 [MartinD]
susies sent an email re F2F mtg around 24th October in Boston area, to coincide with the broader W3C mtg
14:36:20 [MartinD]
most people are fine with this, so there is a proposal for 24th October...
14:36:52 [MartinD]
SWEO F2F *will* take place on 24 October in Boston area -- agreed
14:37:00 [MartinD]
ivan will check if it can take place at MIT
14:37:10 [MartinD]
close agendum 5
14:37:34 [danja]
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14:37:57 [MartinD]
bengee asks if there is an open SWEO list? or considerations for one
14:38:34 [MartinD]
susie says it was decided earlier to have clsoed list, only for member subscriptions, but the content is publicly available in archives
14:39:01 [MartinD]
the W3C mailing list is controlled by membership and user DB, so completely open list might not work in this setup
14:39:23 [MartinD]
some groups (like SWIG) have totally open lists, but that's different setup
14:39:56 [MartinD]
ivan emphasizes that W3C arcihve actually support RSS feeds, which can actually be subscribed to
14:40:22 [MartinD]
susie returns to use cases
14:40:46 [MartinD]
there was some interest among hutchinson, etc. but not real input yet
14:41:27 [MartinD]
kingsley says he has some customers "under construction" but more work is needed -- he currently works on other stuff, but once finished this will be revisited
14:42:21 [MartinD]
there is a progress expected on CRM support, some enterprise things also
14:42:38 [Zakim]
-LeeF
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-bengee
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-susie
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- +1.603.886.aaaa
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-Jeff_Schiffel
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-Kingsley_Idehen
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-Ivan
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-uldis
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-MartinD
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-leobard
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-danja_
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were susie, MartinD, Jeff_Schiffel, +1.603.886.aaaa, Kingsley_Idehen, bengee, Ivan, leobard, danja_, uldis, LeeF
14:43:13 [danja]
re. use cases/demos
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14:43:53 [MartinD]
rrsagent, generate minutes
14:43:53 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-sweo-minutes.html MartinD
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