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12:56:50 <wellsk> zakim, I am keith
13:01:53 <klotz> scribenick: klotz
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13:03:01 <John_Boyer> scribenick, klotz
13:03:14 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
13:03:34 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
13:03:53 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Forms WG Face to Face Meeting, June 15, 2007
13:06:06 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun15.html
13:32:21 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=19 , the setfocus, toggle, and setindex actions will run the actions indicated by the deferred-update flags (which will clear the flags) and there no degredation in performance.
13:32:38 <klotz> s/there no/there is no/
13:33:47 <klotz> s/and there is no degredation in performance././
13:34:33 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=19 , John Boyer to fix the setfocus, toggle, and setindex actions to run the actions indicated by the deferred-update flags (which will clear the flags).
13:34:54 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
13:43:17 <klotz> <setvalue ref="abc">
13:43:17 <klotz>   <value context="..." value="."/>
13:43:17 <klotz> </setvalue>
14:00:04 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Action?id=27 we add the context() function to return the in-scope evaluation context element containing the attribute containing the xpath expression.
14:00:40 <klotz> s/element containing/for the element containing/
14:01:32 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
14:03:46 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007May/0007.html
14:15:35 <Steven> "Full message" bug in issues system is fixed; refresh page
14:15:41 <Steven> Thanks to Shane
14:24:57 <klotz> RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 number 3, delay="" is the default and means synchronous dispathc with no delay; and delay="0" is asynchronous, and delay as a positive integer is a delay as currently specified.
14:26:09 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 John Boyer to handle 16 editorial issues.
14:27:16 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 number 3, John Boyer to change so that delay="" is the default and means synchronous dispatch with no delay; and delay="0" is asynchronous, and delay as a positive integer is a delay as currently specified.
14:27:30 <John_Boyer> 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007May/0007.html
14:27:40 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
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14:34:46 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 16 the in-scop evaluation context is determined statically, by the lexical position of the handler definition.
14:38:59 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 16 we agree that the in-scope evaluation context is determined statically, by the lexical position of the handler definition, and so the secondModel default submission will be used.
14:41:35 <John_Boyer> 28http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#action-message
14:57:21 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 19 we decide to mirror message.
15:22:15 <markbirbeck> This is an explanation of xf:insert in terms of *nodesets*: http://www.formsplayer.com/node/339
15:22:47 <markbirbeck> My point is simply that it starts to get confusing when you want to think in terms of DOM manipulation more generally.
15:23:26 <markbirbeck> You lose the idea of nodeset manipulation.
15:24:43 <klotz> ACTION: In #action-insert "Copying an attribute" example John Boyer to remove references to attribute ordering.
15:26:37 <klotz> s/attribute ordering/attribute ordering and add explanations to what the examples are doing (insert attribute, copy attribute if exists, etc.)
15:26:59 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
15:47:08 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=51 John Boyer and Uli Liss&eacute; to create new descriptive example tables for insert and delete using one set of instance data. In general, nodeset is used when you want to pick one of the children of a node and insert before or after that node, and context is used when you want to append or prepend a child inside a node.
16:34:42 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
17:33:13 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
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17:47:47 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write up example of using group to implement modal dialogs that are stylable by CSS and don't use OS windows.
18:07:53 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We remove the prompt action from XForms 1.1.
18:10:02 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write document about using parallel action/*[@if] and toggle/case to implement state machine.
18:10:09 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=74 we accept and remove prompt.
18:10:13 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to remove prompt.
18:10:34 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
18:32:26 <klotz> 5:00 local time
18:36:41 <wellsk> Are the dates for this year (and next) linked in to the public page? http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/
18:38:27 <markbirbeck> thanks Leigh
18:48:45 <markbirbeck> HTML calendar in Google: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/is1t7cbu00vvd5h1ioft1nl19k%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
18:49:19 <markbirbeck> XForms WG calendar in Google: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/42pvpv3126jgbjccip85b7hiuk%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
18:53:45 <markbirbeck> You can embed this in the wiki if you like: :)
18:53:49 <markbirbeck> <iframe src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=42pvpv3126jgbjccip85b7hiuk%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;title=XForms%20WG%20Calendar&amp;epr=1&amp;height=614" style=" border-width:0 " width="320" frameborder="0" height="614"></iframe>
18:55:00 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=84 , John Boyer to change referenced sections.
19:01:35 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Appendices?id=128 we accept.
19:01:35 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Appendices?id=128 we accept, John Boyer.
19:09:15 <Charlie> *ping
19:09:29 <klotz> RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 part 1 we accept that the wording for display:inline should be changed.
19:09:29 <klotz> ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 John Boyer to change the wording output so that display:inline should be changed.
19:09:29 <klotz> RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 part 2 so that there are implementation requirements for MIPs.
19:09:29 <klotz> ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 Steven Pemberton to change the spec so that there are implementation requirements for MIPs.
19:15:30 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We accept http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=73 with modifications; we add a value attribute to output/mediatype.
19:15:30 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=73 with modifications; Steven Pemberton to write spec text to add a value attribute to output/mediatype.
19:25:41 <John_Boyer> Form controls must render upon request an explanation of the current state of a form control, including validity and associated model item properties. Control of this behavior should be made available to stylesheets.
19:25:59 <klotz> markbirbeck
19:28:48 <John_Boyer> Form controls must provide a default explanation for the above when no user-specified explanation is available.
19:30:27 <Steven> There is a draft FtF page up for Madrid at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2007_09
19:30:28 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 John Boyer to handle all except #27 as editorial and compose reply to issue.
19:30:43 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 #27 we remove the two referenced bullet points about "explanation."
19:31:01 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 #27 John Boyer to remove two bullet points about "explanation" in http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#ui-processing 
19:31:16 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
19:35:46 <wellsk> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ui-processing
19:37:08 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=18 we accept with modifications; instead of the half-detached behavior we propose a parallel event context value listing parents of deleted nodes, with positional correspondence.
19:37:09 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=18 John Boyer to write text to add we propose context property to xforms-delete listing parents of deleted nodes, with positional correspondence and close issue.
19:45:54 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=59 John Boyer to move 4.4.20 and 4.4.21 to move to 4.5.
19:53:01 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=60 John Boyer to fix wording.
19:53:12 <klotz> s/fix wording/provide proposed new wording/
19:53:49 <klotz> RESOLUTION:  For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=60 we accept and will re-word.
19:55:14 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=61 John Boyer to add text based on text in model and close issue.
19:57:09 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=95 we agree and have done it.
19:57:16 <Steven> wellsk, this is for you: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/phone_meetings
19:57:48 <wellsk> hx
19:57:50 <wellsk> thx
19:58:31 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 all except #15 John Boyer to make changes.
20:10:58 <klotz> RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 We put src back on instance.
20:10:58 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 John Boyer to put back in src on instance.
20:11:57 <klotz> s/on instance./on instance with fallback to inline data./
20:45:25 <raman> raman has joined #forms
20:45:50 <raman> just dropping by to say Hello before the F2F winds up.
20:49:13 <Steven> ha!
20:51:25 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=82 we agree to study John Boyer's proposal binding to text instead of first text node but not implement it at this point.
20:51:30 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We defer http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=99
20:51:38 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We approve http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=100
20:51:42 <klotz> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=100 John Boyer to fix reference.
20:51:57 <klotz> markbirbeck sorry steven turned off his laptop.
20:52:02 <markbirbeck> I'm reviewing the fanfare for Steven.
20:52:09 <John_Boyer> We're pretty much done now.
20:52:14 <markbirbeck> great.
20:52:21 <markbirbeck> have good journeys home everyone
20:52:24 <Charlie> bye mark
20:52:31 <klotz> thank you mark
20:52:44 <markbirbeck> a useful meeting, I thought.
20:53:01 <markbirbeck> Luckily Raman stayed away. ;)
20:53:14 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/20070615.html
20:53:26 <markbirbeck> See you guys soon.
20:53:39 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
20:53:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer