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13:57:31 <ivan> zakim, this will be sweo
13:57:31 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:43 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
13:57:46 <ivan> Chair: Susie
13:57:59 <ivan> Regrets: Kingsley
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13:59:59 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-office
13:59:59 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:00:00 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:00:06 <Zakim> + +1.781.662.aaaa
14:00:11 <bengee> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:00:11 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
14:00:40 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is susie
14:00:40 <Zakim> +susie; got it
14:00:41 <Zakim> +??P5
14:00:45 <mdzbor> zakim, ??p5 is mdzbor
14:00:45 <Zakim> +mdzbor; got it
14:00:53 <Zakim> +PaulaP
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Dunja
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14:02:03 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
14:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see bengee, Ivan, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja
14:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dunja, uldis, PaulaP, RRSAgent, Zakim, Susie, FrankC, mdzbor, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
14:02:20 <Zakim> +??P10
14:02:30 <ivan> zakim, ??P10 is uldis
14:02:30 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
14:02:39 <FrankC> Hi All, Sorry I have to send my regrets for this meeting.  Have a nice day!  
14:03:00 <ivan> Regrets: Frank, Karen, Kingsley
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14:03:05 <PaulaP> :)
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14:04:07 <PaulaP> Susie: abstract view on the agenda
14:04:12 <leobard> hi, will call in in a minute, still in another telco
14:04:50 <PaulaP> Susie: Dunja, Paula to give an update on the SW flyer
14:05:16 <PaulaP> Dunja: Ian, Ivan, Paula, Dunja had a telecon yesterday
14:05:22 <PaulaP> ...talked about the 2nd page
14:05:29 <PaulaP> Ivan: and the figures!
14:05:50 <PaulaP> Dunja: we try to find a good story that make people to read further the flyer
14:06:14 <PaulaP> ...Ivan sent a couple of example stories as input
14:06:29 <PaulaP> ...decided to leave the image with the eye out
14:06:36 <PaulaP> ...and also the layer cake
14:06:48 <PaulaP> ...not sure if this is a good idea
14:07:12 <PaulaP> ...also want to make a mockup for next week's call
14:07:19 <PaulaP> Susie: good idea to have a mockup
14:07:34 <PaulaP> ...it helps identifying how much space we have
14:08:11 <PaulaP> Dunja: I try to work on the content too
14:08:44 <PaulaP> Ivan: not sure about attending EBRC 2007
14:09:08 <PaulaP> Ivan: we should record that we've agreed on the slogan
14:09:23 <PaulaP> Susie: 'Data unleashed' as slogan
14:09:30 <PaulaP> +1 
14:09:58 <PaulaP> Susie: next agenda item - Logos
14:10:07 <Zakim> +??P25
14:10:20 <leobard> leo just joined
14:10:23 <PaulaP> ...Bengee sent out an email on a update
14:10:26 <ivan> zakim, ??P25 is Leo
14:10:26 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
14:10:38 <PaulaP> Bengee: not that much news on the logos
14:10:50 <PaulaP> ...was not sure about the strategy to follow
14:11:19 <PaulaP> ...I added a new version for the logo...a graph-like
14:11:35 <PaulaP> Bengee: no news from GRDDL or RDFa groups
14:11:37 <ivan> q+
14:11:55 <PaulaP> ...waiting at moment for the Comm Team input
14:12:14 <PaulaP> ...Ivan proposed to have one version for the Comm Team to review
14:12:23 <PaulaP> Ivan: comment on RDFa
14:12:31 <PaulaP> ...they have something different in mind
14:12:33 <Zakim> +??P26
14:12:38 <kjetilk> Zakim, ??P26 is me
14:12:38 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
14:13:07 <PaulaP> Ivan: adding RDFa much like the case of HTML
14:13:42 <PaulaP> Ivan: for the GRDDL case, we should wait for a reply
14:14:24 <PaulaP> Ivan: we'll have a separate call on discussing the logos
14:14:59 <PaulaP> Ivan: organize a Comm Team meeting after deciding on one logo proposal
14:15:22 <PaulaP> Bengee: imput from a designer to eliminate a couple of them
14:15:36 <PaulaP> Susie: for the slogan we had a consensus
14:15:47 <PaulaP> Susie: is there a consensus also for the logo?
14:16:18 <PaulaP> ...1 and 4 are my preferences
14:16:27 <leobard> urls please :-)
14:16:28 <PaulaP> Bengee: number 7
14:16:42 <PaulaP> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos
14:17:57 <PaulaP> Bengee: 9 is not bad, I like also 2, 6 is too abstract 
14:18:22 <PaulaP> ...there are at least 3 or 4, which I'd take out
14:18:35 <PaulaP> Susie: we could do that and put the ones we like most on top
14:19:11 <PaulaP> Ivan: Dunja, do you think you can show to your designer the logos? just for a feedback
14:19:41 <PaulaP> Bengee: should we decide now which one we can take out?
14:19:47 <PaulaP> Ivan: 2 and 6
14:20:06 <PaulaP> Ivan: 5 also
14:20:11 <PaulaP> Susie: how about 8?
14:20:46 <PaulaP> Ivan: 8 and 9 are somehow similar
14:20:59 <PaulaP> Susie: keep 1, not 2
14:21:05 <PaulaP> Susie: how about 3?
14:21:16 <PaulaP> Dunja: I can't see anything in 3
14:21:31 <PaulaP> Susie: 3 is not in the short list
14:21:42 <PaulaP> Susie: keep 4
14:21:56 <PaulaP> ...keep 5, 7, 9
14:22:13 <PaulaP> Ivan: visually speaking I like 7
14:22:31 <PaulaP> Susie: agree with Ivan, but S is not that clear
14:22:45 <PaulaP> Ivan: discuss this issue further on the mailinglist
14:23:29 <PaulaP> Susie: Bengee, do you think you cand send out an email to start the discussion?
14:23:41 <PaulaP> Bengee: should we first rearrange them?
14:23:46 <leobard> q+
14:24:03 <ivan> ack ivan
14:24:06 <PaulaP> Susie: feedback just on the short list
14:24:16 <leobard> q-
14:24:18 <PaulaP> Bengee: ok
14:24:59 <Zakim> +Jeff_Schiffel
14:25:00 <PaulaP> Susie: next item on the agenda - Use cases
14:25:18 <PaulaP> Ivan: I did contact many people to see whether they are interested
14:25:34 <PaulaP> ...e.g. Siemens, Dow Jones
14:25:45 <PaulaP> Ivan: they might be interested
14:26:04 <PaulaP> Ivan: also contacted HP from the Jena group...talked with Jeremy
14:26:18 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:26:22 <PaulaP> Ivan: Susie and I contacted the same person at Elsevier
14:26:33 <PaulaP> ...might get some input from them too
14:26:52 <PaulaP> ...nice addition if we could get som input during the next 3-4 weeks
14:27:26 <PaulaP> Susie: next agenda item - Info Gathering task
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14:27:47 <PaulaP> Leo: the redirect works, graphics work, RSS doesn't work yet
14:27:56 <PaulaP> ...we continue to test it
14:28:09 <PaulaP> Leo: waiting for designs for the portal
14:28:52 <PaulaP> Bengee: I took the SW Activity web page as a guideline for a design proposal
14:29:05 <bengee> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs
14:29:05 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2007_06_13a.gif
14:29:23 <PaulaP> ...based on last week's discussion
14:30:19 <leobard> looks good, I think we can start with this.
14:30:22 <PaulaP> Ivan: the only thing I have is a legal issue...we need to put on the bottom something on the W3C copyright
14:31:11 <PaulaP> Ivan: it is not a graphical design problem, but which is the best policy about it
14:31:29 <PaulaP> Leo: which problem do you mention?
14:32:26 <PaulaP> Ivan: the system is based on the fact that you have CC statements for the data....but it might be the case that this will not work 
14:32:34 <PaulaP> Ivan gives a concrete example on this
14:32:47 <PaulaP> Leo: we have to solve this offline
14:33:31 <PaulaP> Ivan: we have a problem and we should probably solve it offline
14:34:01 <PaulaP> ...maybe the system should add CC to the data somehow
14:34:20 <PaulaP> Ivan: we already had a discussion with the OpenLink group
14:34:37 <PaulaP> Leo: we planned not to build a software from scratch
14:35:06 <PaulaP> Leo: we should evaluate some systems, as base for our choice
14:35:23 <PaulaP> Ivan: the tool should easily generate SPARQL queries
14:35:43 <PaulaP> ...and make a suitable output of the queries' results
14:36:02 <PaulaP> Leo presents his solution to this 
14:36:20 <PaulaP> Leo: we should make a couple of suggestions on the wiki
14:36:37 <PaulaP> ...I'll send an email for inviting you to comment these suggestions
14:37:24 <uldis> revyu is from Tom Heath
14:37:35 <uldis> q+
14:37:49 <MartinD> revyu's a bit different target
14:37:49 <PaulaP> Leo: the system is based on RDF but not finished yet
14:37:58 <ivan> ack uldis
14:38:02 <PaulaP> Uldis: revyu looks quite well developed
14:38:11 <PaulaP> ...we can ask Tom
14:38:44 <PaulaP> Leo: no more comments
14:38:57 <Zakim> -Leo
14:39:14 <uldis> Uldis: we have experience w. Drupal. will add information to the wiki where appropriate.
14:39:20 <leobard> please ask tom, he is cool, btw: i have a revyu account, it works, but its very alpha
14:39:21 <PaulaP> Susie: next agenda item - Comunity projects
14:39:44 <PaulaP> Kjetilk: I don't really have updates on the projects
14:40:08 <uldis> leobard: was talking w. Tom recently. what is the exact question(s) we need to ask him?
14:40:29 <uldis> if his system can be used as an engine for infogathering portal?
14:41:15 <PaulaP> Susie: next item - Conferences
14:41:47 <PaulaP> Susie: the conference Web site is not up to date anymore
14:42:22 <PaulaP> Susie: it would be good to have infos on conferences on the site, such as to be able to submit papers
14:42:56 <PaulaP> Susie: unfortunately, our paper was not accepted at VLDB
14:43:27 <PaulaP> Susie: SW Strategy as a new (series of) conferences
14:43:36 <PaulaP> ...deadline for paper submission is end of this week
14:43:50 <LeeF> -> http://www.snee.com/bobdc.blog/2007/05/chairing_a_new_semantic_web_co.html Bob DuCharme organizing Semantic Web Strategies conference
14:43:52 <PaulaP> Susie: next item - Next F2F
14:44:20 <PaulaP> Susie: are there suggestions on the location and time of the next F2F?
14:44:45 <PaulaP> ...not really a good idea to colocate it with ISWC
14:45:03 <PaulaP> ...since it is in Korea and the Tech Plenary is also in November
14:45:27 <PaulaP> Susie: would be good to have the meeting in the Boston area
14:47:22 <PaulaP> Paula on the next F2F of the W3C RIF WG
14:47:55 <PaulaP> it is not clear when it is going to be for the POWDER group
14:48:43 <PaulaP> Susie: other meetings might be planned for November
14:48:55 <PaulaP> Susie: no need to meet in July
14:49:06 <PaulaP> Susie: August is also not that good
14:49:31 <PaulaP> Susie: beginning of October would be probably good, in the Boston area
14:51:31 <PaulaP> Ivan: workshop on SPARQL on 25-26 of October...we could try to colocate our meeting with this workshop
14:51:44 <MartinD> time sounds good
14:51:55 <PaulaP> Susie: I'll send an email on this to see what people think
14:52:09 <PaulaP> Dunja: full day meeting or just a couple of hours
14:52:16 <PaulaP> Susie: full day meeting
14:52:28 <PaulaP> Susie: AOB?
14:52:33 <kjetilk> q+
14:53:19 <PaulaP> Kjetilk: Semantic Desktop - desktop environments on Linux KDE - RDF-based requierments for the next version
14:53:39 <PaulaP> ...might be one interesting use case
14:53:58 <PaulaP> Susie: is this basically a tool?
14:54:18 <PaulaP> Kjetilk: yes, it enables KDE to integrate everything with RDF
14:54:37 <PaulaP> ...many applications would benefit from it
14:55:15 <PaulaP> Susie: who would write such a use case?
14:55:24 <PaulaP> Ivan: ideally those who did it
14:55:35 <uldis> it's a part of the Nepomuk project, i think
14:55:41 <PaulaP> Kjetilk: Leo might be involved
14:55:54 <PaulaP> ...I could contact them
14:56:11 <PaulaP> Susie: I propose to adjourn
14:56:18 <PaulaP> Susie: thank you!
14:56:19 <Zakim> -Jeff_Schiffel
14:56:23 <Zakim> -uldis
14:56:24 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:56:25 <Zakim> -kjetilk
14:56:26 <Zakim> -Dunja
14:56:27 <Zakim> -mdzbor
14:56:29 <Zakim> -susie
14:56:30 <Zakim> -bengee
14:56:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:56:34 <Zakim> -PaulaP
14:56:35 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
14:56:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +1.781.662.aaaa, bengee, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja, uldis, Leo, kjetilk, Jeff_Schiffel, LeeF
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15:02:45 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sweo-minutes.html ivan
15:03:28 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:03:28 <RRSAgent> I see no action items