IRC log of sweo on 2007-06-13

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13:57:25 [ivan]
rrsagent, set log public
13:57:31 [ivan]
zakim, this will be sweo
13:57:31 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:43 [ivan]
Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
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Chair: Susie
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Regrets: Kingsley
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
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13:59:59 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-office
13:59:59 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+ +1.781.662.aaaa
14:00:11 [bengee]
zakim, IPcaller is me
14:00:11 [Zakim]
+bengee; got it
14:00:40 [ivan]
zakim, aaaa is susie
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+susie; got it
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+??P5
14:00:45 [mdzbor]
zakim, ??p5 is mdzbor
14:00:45 [Zakim]
+mdzbor; got it
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+PaulaP
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+Dunja
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14:02:03 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
14:02:03 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bengee, Ivan, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja
14:02:05 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Dunja, uldis, PaulaP, RRSAgent, Zakim, Susie, FrankC, mdzbor, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
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+??P10
14:02:30 [ivan]
zakim, ??P10 is uldis
14:02:30 [Zakim]
+uldis; got it
14:02:39 [FrankC]
Hi All, Sorry I have to send my regrets for this meeting. Have a nice day!
14:03:00 [ivan]
Regrets: Frank, Karen, Kingsley
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14:03:05 [PaulaP]
:)
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Susie: abstract view on the agenda
14:04:12 [leobard]
hi, will call in in a minute, still in another telco
14:04:50 [PaulaP]
Susie: Dunja, Paula to give an update on the SW flyer
14:05:16 [PaulaP]
Dunja: Ian, Ivan, Paula, Dunja had a telecon yesterday
14:05:22 [PaulaP]
...talked about the 2nd page
14:05:29 [PaulaP]
Ivan: and the figures!
14:05:50 [PaulaP]
Dunja: we try to find a good story that make people to read further the flyer
14:06:14 [PaulaP]
...Ivan sent a couple of example stories as input
14:06:29 [PaulaP]
...decided to leave the image with the eye out
14:06:36 [PaulaP]
...and also the layer cake
14:06:48 [PaulaP]
...not sure if this is a good idea
14:07:12 [PaulaP]
...also want to make a mockup for next week's call
14:07:19 [PaulaP]
Susie: good idea to have a mockup
14:07:34 [PaulaP]
...it helps identifying how much space we have
14:08:11 [PaulaP]
Dunja: I try to work on the content too
14:08:44 [PaulaP]
Ivan: not sure about attending EBRC 2007
14:09:08 [PaulaP]
Ivan: we should record that we've agreed on the slogan
14:09:23 [PaulaP]
Susie: 'Data unleashed' as slogan
14:09:30 [PaulaP]
+1
14:09:58 [PaulaP]
Susie: next agenda item - Logos
14:10:07 [Zakim]
+??P25
14:10:20 [leobard]
leo just joined
14:10:23 [PaulaP]
...Bengee sent out an email on a update
14:10:26 [ivan]
zakim, ??P25 is Leo
14:10:26 [Zakim]
+Leo; got it
14:10:38 [PaulaP]
Bengee: not that much news on the logos
14:10:50 [PaulaP]
...was not sure about the strategy to follow
14:11:19 [PaulaP]
...I added a new version for the logo...a graph-like
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Bengee: no news from GRDDL or RDFa groups
14:11:37 [ivan]
q+
14:11:55 [PaulaP]
...waiting at moment for the Comm Team input
14:12:14 [PaulaP]
...Ivan proposed to have one version for the Comm Team to review
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Ivan: comment on RDFa
14:12:31 [PaulaP]
...they have something different in mind
14:12:33 [Zakim]
+??P26
14:12:38 [kjetilk]
Zakim, ??P26 is me
14:12:38 [Zakim]
+kjetilk; got it
14:13:07 [PaulaP]
Ivan: adding RDFa much like the case of HTML
14:13:42 [PaulaP]
Ivan: for the GRDDL case, we should wait for a reply
14:14:24 [PaulaP]
Ivan: we'll have a separate call on discussing the logos
14:14:59 [PaulaP]
Ivan: organize a Comm Team meeting after deciding on one logo proposal
14:15:22 [PaulaP]
Bengee: imput from a designer to eliminate a couple of them
14:15:36 [PaulaP]
Susie: for the slogan we had a consensus
14:15:47 [PaulaP]
Susie: is there a consensus also for the logo?
14:16:18 [PaulaP]
...1 and 4 are my preferences
14:16:27 [leobard]
urls please :-)
14:16:28 [PaulaP]
Bengee: number 7
14:16:42 [PaulaP]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos
14:17:57 [PaulaP]
Bengee: 9 is not bad, I like also 2, 6 is too abstract
14:18:22 [PaulaP]
...there are at least 3 or 4, which I'd take out
14:18:35 [PaulaP]
Susie: we could do that and put the ones we like most on top
14:19:11 [PaulaP]
Ivan: Dunja, do you think you can show to your designer the logos? just for a feedback
14:19:41 [PaulaP]
Bengee: should we decide now which one we can take out?
14:19:47 [PaulaP]
Ivan: 2 and 6
14:20:06 [PaulaP]
Ivan: 5 also
14:20:11 [PaulaP]
Susie: how about 8?
14:20:46 [PaulaP]
Ivan: 8 and 9 are somehow similar
14:20:59 [PaulaP]
Susie: keep 1, not 2
14:21:05 [PaulaP]
Susie: how about 3?
14:21:16 [PaulaP]
Dunja: I can't see anything in 3
14:21:31 [PaulaP]
Susie: 3 is not in the short list
14:21:42 [PaulaP]
Susie: keep 4
14:21:56 [PaulaP]
...keep 5, 7, 9
14:22:13 [PaulaP]
Ivan: visually speaking I like 7
14:22:31 [PaulaP]
Susie: agree with Ivan, but S is not that clear
14:22:45 [PaulaP]
Ivan: discuss this issue further on the mailinglist
14:23:29 [PaulaP]
Susie: Bengee, do you think you cand send out an email to start the discussion?
14:23:41 [PaulaP]
Bengee: should we first rearrange them?
14:23:46 [leobard]
q+
14:24:03 [ivan]
ack ivan
14:24:06 [PaulaP]
Susie: feedback just on the short list
14:24:16 [leobard]
q-
14:24:18 [PaulaP]
Bengee: ok
14:24:59 [Zakim]
+Jeff_Schiffel
14:25:00 [PaulaP]
Susie: next item on the agenda - Use cases
14:25:18 [PaulaP]
Ivan: I did contact many people to see whether they are interested
14:25:34 [PaulaP]
...e.g. Siemens, Dow Jones
14:25:45 [PaulaP]
Ivan: they might be interested
14:26:04 [PaulaP]
Ivan: also contacted HP from the Jena group...talked with Jeremy
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+LeeF
14:26:22 [PaulaP]
Ivan: Susie and I contacted the same person at Elsevier
14:26:33 [PaulaP]
...might get some input from them too
14:26:52 [PaulaP]
...nice addition if we could get som input during the next 3-4 weeks
14:27:26 [PaulaP]
Susie: next agenda item - Info Gathering task
14:27:43 [LeeF]
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Leo: the redirect works, graphics work, RSS doesn't work yet
14:27:56 [PaulaP]
...we continue to test it
14:28:09 [PaulaP]
Leo: waiting for designs for the portal
14:28:52 [PaulaP]
Bengee: I took the SW Activity web page as a guideline for a design proposal
14:29:05 [bengee]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs
14:29:05 [leobard]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2007_06_13a.gif
14:29:23 [PaulaP]
...based on last week's discussion
14:30:19 [leobard]
looks good, I think we can start with this.
14:30:22 [PaulaP]
Ivan: the only thing I have is a legal issue...we need to put on the bottom something on the W3C copyright
14:31:11 [PaulaP]
Ivan: it is not a graphical design problem, but which is the best policy about it
14:31:29 [PaulaP]
Leo: which problem do you mention?
14:32:26 [PaulaP]
Ivan: the system is based on the fact that you have CC statements for the data....but it might be the case that this will not work
14:32:34 [PaulaP]
Ivan gives a concrete example on this
14:32:47 [PaulaP]
Leo: we have to solve this offline
14:33:31 [PaulaP]
Ivan: we have a problem and we should probably solve it offline
14:34:01 [PaulaP]
...maybe the system should add CC to the data somehow
14:34:20 [PaulaP]
Ivan: we already had a discussion with the OpenLink group
14:34:37 [PaulaP]
Leo: we planned not to build a software from scratch
14:35:06 [PaulaP]
Leo: we should evaluate some systems, as base for our choice
14:35:23 [PaulaP]
Ivan: the tool should easily generate SPARQL queries
14:35:43 [PaulaP]
...and make a suitable output of the queries' results
14:36:02 [PaulaP]
Leo presents his solution to this
14:36:20 [PaulaP]
Leo: we should make a couple of suggestions on the wiki
14:36:37 [PaulaP]
...I'll send an email for inviting you to comment these suggestions
14:37:24 [uldis]
revyu is from Tom Heath
14:37:35 [uldis]
q+
14:37:49 [MartinD]
revyu's a bit different target
14:37:49 [PaulaP]
Leo: the system is based on RDF but not finished yet
14:37:58 [ivan]
ack uldis
14:38:02 [PaulaP]
Uldis: revyu looks quite well developed
14:38:11 [PaulaP]
...we can ask Tom
14:38:44 [PaulaP]
Leo: no more comments
14:38:57 [Zakim]
-Leo
14:39:14 [uldis]
Uldis: we have experience w. Drupal. will add information to the wiki where appropriate.
14:39:20 [leobard]
please ask tom, he is cool, btw: i have a revyu account, it works, but its very alpha
14:39:21 [PaulaP]
Susie: next agenda item - Comunity projects
14:39:44 [PaulaP]
Kjetilk: I don't really have updates on the projects
14:40:08 [uldis]
leobard: was talking w. Tom recently. what is the exact question(s) we need to ask him?
14:40:29 [uldis]
if his system can be used as an engine for infogathering portal?
14:41:15 [PaulaP]
Susie: next item - Conferences
14:41:47 [PaulaP]
Susie: the conference Web site is not up to date anymore
14:42:22 [PaulaP]
Susie: it would be good to have infos on conferences on the site, such as to be able to submit papers
14:42:56 [PaulaP]
Susie: unfortunately, our paper was not accepted at VLDB
14:43:27 [PaulaP]
Susie: SW Strategy as a new (series of) conferences
14:43:36 [PaulaP]
...deadline for paper submission is end of this week
14:43:50 [LeeF]
-> http://www.snee.com/bobdc.blog/2007/05/chairing_a_new_semantic_web_co.html Bob DuCharme organizing Semantic Web Strategies conference
14:43:52 [PaulaP]
Susie: next item - Next F2F
14:44:20 [PaulaP]
Susie: are there suggestions on the location and time of the next F2F?
14:44:45 [PaulaP]
...not really a good idea to colocate it with ISWC
14:45:03 [PaulaP]
...since it is in Korea and the Tech Plenary is also in November
14:45:27 [PaulaP]
Susie: would be good to have the meeting in the Boston area
14:47:22 [PaulaP]
Paula on the next F2F of the W3C RIF WG
14:47:55 [PaulaP]
it is not clear when it is going to be for the POWDER group
14:48:43 [PaulaP]
Susie: other meetings might be planned for November
14:48:55 [PaulaP]
Susie: no need to meet in July
14:49:06 [PaulaP]
Susie: August is also not that good
14:49:31 [PaulaP]
Susie: beginning of October would be probably good, in the Boston area
14:51:31 [PaulaP]
Ivan: workshop on SPARQL on 25-26 of October...we could try to colocate our meeting with this workshop
14:51:44 [MartinD]
time sounds good
14:51:55 [PaulaP]
Susie: I'll send an email on this to see what people think
14:52:09 [PaulaP]
Dunja: full day meeting or just a couple of hours
14:52:16 [PaulaP]
Susie: full day meeting
14:52:28 [PaulaP]
Susie: AOB?
14:52:33 [kjetilk]
q+
14:53:19 [PaulaP]
Kjetilk: Semantic Desktop - desktop environments on Linux KDE - RDF-based requierments for the next version
14:53:39 [PaulaP]
...might be one interesting use case
14:53:58 [PaulaP]
Susie: is this basically a tool?
14:54:18 [PaulaP]
Kjetilk: yes, it enables KDE to integrate everything with RDF
14:54:37 [PaulaP]
...many applications would benefit from it
14:55:15 [PaulaP]
Susie: who would write such a use case?
14:55:24 [PaulaP]
Ivan: ideally those who did it
14:55:35 [uldis]
it's a part of the Nepomuk project, i think
14:55:41 [PaulaP]
Kjetilk: Leo might be involved
14:55:54 [PaulaP]
...I could contact them
14:56:11 [PaulaP]
Susie: I propose to adjourn
14:56:18 [PaulaP]
Susie: thank you!
14:56:19 [Zakim]
-Jeff_Schiffel
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-uldis
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-LeeF
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-kjetilk
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-Dunja
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-mdzbor
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-susie
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-bengee
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-Ivan
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-PaulaP
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ivan, +1.781.662.aaaa, bengee, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja, uldis, Leo, kjetilk, Jeff_Schiffel, LeeF
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15:02:45 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:45 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sweo-minutes.html ivan
15:03:28 [ivan]
rrsagent, bye
15:03:28 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items