IRC log of sweo on 2007-06-13
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- rrsagent, set log public
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- zakim, this will be sweo
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- ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
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- Chair: Susie
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- Regrets: Kingsley
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- SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, dial ivan-office
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- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- + +1.781.662.aaaa
- 14:00:11 [bengee]
- zakim, IPcaller is me
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- +bengee; got it
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- zakim, aaaa is susie
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- +susie; got it
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- +??P5
- 14:00:45 [mdzbor]
- zakim, ??p5 is mdzbor
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- +mdzbor; got it
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- +PaulaP
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- +Dunja
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see bengee, Ivan, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja
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- On IRC I see Dunja, uldis, PaulaP, RRSAgent, Zakim, Susie, FrankC, mdzbor, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
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- +??P10
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- zakim, ??P10 is uldis
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- +uldis; got it
- 14:02:39 [FrankC]
- Hi All, Sorry I have to send my regrets for this meeting. Have a nice day!
- 14:03:00 [ivan]
- Regrets: Frank, Karen, Kingsley
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- :)
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- Susie: abstract view on the agenda
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- hi, will call in in a minute, still in another telco
- 14:04:50 [PaulaP]
- Susie: Dunja, Paula to give an update on the SW flyer
- 14:05:16 [PaulaP]
- Dunja: Ian, Ivan, Paula, Dunja had a telecon yesterday
- 14:05:22 [PaulaP]
- ...talked about the 2nd page
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- Ivan: and the figures!
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- Dunja: we try to find a good story that make people to read further the flyer
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- ...Ivan sent a couple of example stories as input
- 14:06:29 [PaulaP]
- ...decided to leave the image with the eye out
- 14:06:36 [PaulaP]
- ...and also the layer cake
- 14:06:48 [PaulaP]
- ...not sure if this is a good idea
- 14:07:12 [PaulaP]
- ...also want to make a mockup for next week's call
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- Susie: good idea to have a mockup
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- ...it helps identifying how much space we have
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- Dunja: I try to work on the content too
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- Ivan: not sure about attending EBRC 2007
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- Ivan: we should record that we've agreed on the slogan
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- Susie: 'Data unleashed' as slogan
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- +1
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- Susie: next agenda item - Logos
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- +??P25
- 14:10:20 [leobard]
- leo just joined
- 14:10:23 [PaulaP]
- ...Bengee sent out an email on a update
- 14:10:26 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P25 is Leo
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- +Leo; got it
- 14:10:38 [PaulaP]
- Bengee: not that much news on the logos
- 14:10:50 [PaulaP]
- ...was not sure about the strategy to follow
- 14:11:19 [PaulaP]
- ...I added a new version for the logo...a graph-like
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- Bengee: no news from GRDDL or RDFa groups
- 14:11:37 [ivan]
- q+
- 14:11:55 [PaulaP]
- ...waiting at moment for the Comm Team input
- 14:12:14 [PaulaP]
- ...Ivan proposed to have one version for the Comm Team to review
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- Ivan: comment on RDFa
- 14:12:31 [PaulaP]
- ...they have something different in mind
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- +??P26
- 14:12:38 [kjetilk]
- Zakim, ??P26 is me
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- +kjetilk; got it
- 14:13:07 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: adding RDFa much like the case of HTML
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- Ivan: for the GRDDL case, we should wait for a reply
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- Ivan: we'll have a separate call on discussing the logos
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- Ivan: organize a Comm Team meeting after deciding on one logo proposal
- 14:15:22 [PaulaP]
- Bengee: imput from a designer to eliminate a couple of them
- 14:15:36 [PaulaP]
- Susie: for the slogan we had a consensus
- 14:15:47 [PaulaP]
- Susie: is there a consensus also for the logo?
- 14:16:18 [PaulaP]
- ...1 and 4 are my preferences
- 14:16:27 [leobard]
- urls please :-)
- 14:16:28 [PaulaP]
- Bengee: number 7
- 14:16:42 [PaulaP]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos
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- Bengee: 9 is not bad, I like also 2, 6 is too abstract
- 14:18:22 [PaulaP]
- ...there are at least 3 or 4, which I'd take out
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- Susie: we could do that and put the ones we like most on top
- 14:19:11 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: Dunja, do you think you can show to your designer the logos? just for a feedback
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- Bengee: should we decide now which one we can take out?
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- Ivan: 2 and 6
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- Ivan: 5 also
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- Susie: how about 8?
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- Ivan: 8 and 9 are somehow similar
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- Susie: keep 1, not 2
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- Susie: how about 3?
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- Dunja: I can't see anything in 3
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- Susie: 3 is not in the short list
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- Susie: keep 4
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- ...keep 5, 7, 9
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- Ivan: visually speaking I like 7
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- Susie: agree with Ivan, but S is not that clear
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- Ivan: discuss this issue further on the mailinglist
- 14:23:29 [PaulaP]
- Susie: Bengee, do you think you cand send out an email to start the discussion?
- 14:23:41 [PaulaP]
- Bengee: should we first rearrange them?
- 14:23:46 [leobard]
- q+
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- ack ivan
- 14:24:06 [PaulaP]
- Susie: feedback just on the short list
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- q-
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- Bengee: ok
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- +Jeff_Schiffel
- 14:25:00 [PaulaP]
- Susie: next item on the agenda - Use cases
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- Ivan: I did contact many people to see whether they are interested
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- ...e.g. Siemens, Dow Jones
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- Ivan: they might be interested
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- Ivan: also contacted HP from the Jena group...talked with Jeremy
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- +LeeF
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- Ivan: Susie and I contacted the same person at Elsevier
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- ...might get some input from them too
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- ...nice addition if we could get som input during the next 3-4 weeks
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- Susie: next agenda item - Info Gathering task
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- Leo: the redirect works, graphics work, RSS doesn't work yet
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- ...we continue to test it
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- Leo: waiting for designs for the portal
- 14:28:52 [PaulaP]
- Bengee: I took the SW Activity web page as a guideline for a design proposal
- 14:29:05 [bengee]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs
- 14:29:05 [leobard]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans/Designs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2007_06_13a.gif
- 14:29:23 [PaulaP]
- ...based on last week's discussion
- 14:30:19 [leobard]
- looks good, I think we can start with this.
- 14:30:22 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: the only thing I have is a legal issue...we need to put on the bottom something on the W3C copyright
- 14:31:11 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: it is not a graphical design problem, but which is the best policy about it
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- Leo: which problem do you mention?
- 14:32:26 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: the system is based on the fact that you have CC statements for the data....but it might be the case that this will not work
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- Ivan gives a concrete example on this
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- Leo: we have to solve this offline
- 14:33:31 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: we have a problem and we should probably solve it offline
- 14:34:01 [PaulaP]
- ...maybe the system should add CC to the data somehow
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- Ivan: we already had a discussion with the OpenLink group
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- Leo: we planned not to build a software from scratch
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- Leo: we should evaluate some systems, as base for our choice
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- Ivan: the tool should easily generate SPARQL queries
- 14:35:43 [PaulaP]
- ...and make a suitable output of the queries' results
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- Leo presents his solution to this
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- Leo: we should make a couple of suggestions on the wiki
- 14:36:37 [PaulaP]
- ...I'll send an email for inviting you to comment these suggestions
- 14:37:24 [uldis]
- revyu is from Tom Heath
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- q+
- 14:37:49 [MartinD]
- revyu's a bit different target
- 14:37:49 [PaulaP]
- Leo: the system is based on RDF but not finished yet
- 14:37:58 [ivan]
- ack uldis
- 14:38:02 [PaulaP]
- Uldis: revyu looks quite well developed
- 14:38:11 [PaulaP]
- ...we can ask Tom
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- Leo: no more comments
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- -Leo
- 14:39:14 [uldis]
- Uldis: we have experience w. Drupal. will add information to the wiki where appropriate.
- 14:39:20 [leobard]
- please ask tom, he is cool, btw: i have a revyu account, it works, but its very alpha
- 14:39:21 [PaulaP]
- Susie: next agenda item - Comunity projects
- 14:39:44 [PaulaP]
- Kjetilk: I don't really have updates on the projects
- 14:40:08 [uldis]
- leobard: was talking w. Tom recently. what is the exact question(s) we need to ask him?
- 14:40:29 [uldis]
- if his system can be used as an engine for infogathering portal?
- 14:41:15 [PaulaP]
- Susie: next item - Conferences
- 14:41:47 [PaulaP]
- Susie: the conference Web site is not up to date anymore
- 14:42:22 [PaulaP]
- Susie: it would be good to have infos on conferences on the site, such as to be able to submit papers
- 14:42:56 [PaulaP]
- Susie: unfortunately, our paper was not accepted at VLDB
- 14:43:27 [PaulaP]
- Susie: SW Strategy as a new (series of) conferences
- 14:43:36 [PaulaP]
- ...deadline for paper submission is end of this week
- 14:43:50 [LeeF]
- -> http://www.snee.com/bobdc.blog/2007/05/chairing_a_new_semantic_web_co.html Bob DuCharme organizing Semantic Web Strategies conference
- 14:43:52 [PaulaP]
- Susie: next item - Next F2F
- 14:44:20 [PaulaP]
- Susie: are there suggestions on the location and time of the next F2F?
- 14:44:45 [PaulaP]
- ...not really a good idea to colocate it with ISWC
- 14:45:03 [PaulaP]
- ...since it is in Korea and the Tech Plenary is also in November
- 14:45:27 [PaulaP]
- Susie: would be good to have the meeting in the Boston area
- 14:47:22 [PaulaP]
- Paula on the next F2F of the W3C RIF WG
- 14:47:55 [PaulaP]
- it is not clear when it is going to be for the POWDER group
- 14:48:43 [PaulaP]
- Susie: other meetings might be planned for November
- 14:48:55 [PaulaP]
- Susie: no need to meet in July
- 14:49:06 [PaulaP]
- Susie: August is also not that good
- 14:49:31 [PaulaP]
- Susie: beginning of October would be probably good, in the Boston area
- 14:51:31 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: workshop on SPARQL on 25-26 of October...we could try to colocate our meeting with this workshop
- 14:51:44 [MartinD]
- time sounds good
- 14:51:55 [PaulaP]
- Susie: I'll send an email on this to see what people think
- 14:52:09 [PaulaP]
- Dunja: full day meeting or just a couple of hours
- 14:52:16 [PaulaP]
- Susie: full day meeting
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- Susie: AOB?
- 14:52:33 [kjetilk]
- q+
- 14:53:19 [PaulaP]
- Kjetilk: Semantic Desktop - desktop environments on Linux KDE - RDF-based requierments for the next version
- 14:53:39 [PaulaP]
- ...might be one interesting use case
- 14:53:58 [PaulaP]
- Susie: is this basically a tool?
- 14:54:18 [PaulaP]
- Kjetilk: yes, it enables KDE to integrate everything with RDF
- 14:54:37 [PaulaP]
- ...many applications would benefit from it
- 14:55:15 [PaulaP]
- Susie: who would write such a use case?
- 14:55:24 [PaulaP]
- Ivan: ideally those who did it
- 14:55:35 [uldis]
- it's a part of the Nepomuk project, i think
- 14:55:41 [PaulaP]
- Kjetilk: Leo might be involved
- 14:55:54 [PaulaP]
- ...I could contact them
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- Susie: I propose to adjourn
- 14:56:18 [PaulaP]
- Susie: thank you!
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- -Jeff_Schiffel
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- -uldis
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- -LeeF
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- -kjetilk
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- -Dunja
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- -mdzbor
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- -susie
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- -bengee
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- -Ivan
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- -PaulaP
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- SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Ivan, +1.781.662.aaaa, bengee, susie, mdzbor, PaulaP, Dunja, uldis, Leo, kjetilk, Jeff_Schiffel, LeeF
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:02:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sweo-minutes.html ivan
- 15:03:28 [ivan]
- rrsagent, bye
- 15:03:28 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items