IRC log of forms on 2007-06-06

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14:54:36 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #forms
14:54:36 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-forms-irc
14:54:52 [Charlie]: Charlie has joined #forms
14:54:56 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make log public
14:55:10 [Charlie]: * hello from sunny dublin
14:55:31 [John_Boyer]: back at you from rainy Victoria
14:56:42 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0014.html
14:57:33 [Schnitz]: zakim, code?
14:57:33 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
14:58:12 [wellsk]: wellsk has joined #forms
14:58:24 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
14:58:25 [Schnitz]: hello wellsk
14:58:32 [Zakim]: +Joern_Turner
14:58:56 [Zakim]: +John_Boyer
14:59:04 [Roger]: Roger has joined #forms
14:59:15 [Schnitz]: problems dialing into the french bridge
14:59:17 [Roger]: zakim, code?
14:59:17 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:59:32 [SusanB]: SusanB has joined #forms
14:59:33 [jturner]: zakim, mute me
14:59:33 [Zakim]: sorry, jturner, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:59:35 [Zakim]: +??P14
14:59:42 [Zakim]: + +1.919.254.aaaa
14:59:45 [Schnitz]: zakim, ??p14
14:59:45 [Zakim]: I don't understand '??p14', Schnitz
14:59:46 [Zakim]: +??P22
14:59:53 [Schnitz]: zakim, ??p14 is me
14:59:53 [Zakim]: +Schnitz; got it
14:59:57 [David_Landwehr]: Zakim, ??P22 is David_Landwehr
14:59:57 [Zakim]: +David_Landwehr; got it
15:00:17 [Zakim]: +Susan_Borgrink
15:00:20 [John_Boyer]: zakim, aaaa is wellsk
15:00:20 [Zakim]: +wellsk; got it
15:00:38 [jturner]: Joern_Turner is me
15:00:40 [Zakim]: +??P42
15:00:51 [ebruchez]: ebruchez has joined #forms
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15:01:00 [Roger]: zakim, ??p42 is Roger
15:01:00 [Zakim]: +Roger; got it
15:01:05 [Schnitz]: jturner, you need to add a zakim infront :-)
15:01:18 [Roger]: zakim, Roger has Rafael
15:01:18 [Zakim]: +Rafael; got it
15:01:22 [jturner]: zakim, Joern_Turner is me
15:01:22 [Zakim]: +jturner; got it
15:01:31 [jturner]: zakim, mute me
15:01:31 [Zakim]: jturner should now be muted
15:01:46 [Nick]: Nick has joined #Forms
15:01:49 [klotz]: klotz has joined #forms
15:02:45 [lars]: lars has joined #forms
15:03:01 [lars]: zakim, code
15:03:11 [John_Boyer]: 36767
15:03:15 [Zakim]: +??P28
15:03:19 [Zakim]: +Leigh_Klotz
15:03:21 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'code', lars
15:03:25 [ebruchez]: zakim, ??P28 is ebruchez
15:03:25 [klotz]: ah, the correct command was John_Boyer, code
15:03:27 [Zakim]: +ebruchez; got it
15:03:29 [John_Boyer]: Chair: John
15:03:30 [lars]: thanks john :)
15:03:32 [John_Boyer]: Scribe: Leigh
15:03:38 [Schnitz]: zakim, mute me
15:03:40 [John_Boyer]: scribenick: klotz
15:03:41 [markbirbeck]: John, I'm afraid I won't be able to call in...just come off the XHTML call, and now have to phone the office.
15:03:49 [Zakim]: Schnitz should now be muted
15:03:58 [markbirbeck]: Will remain on IRC.
15:03:58 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Blake, Ulrich, Steven (on IRC), Charlie (on IRC), MarkB
15:04:20 [John_Boyer]: OK, thanks mark... Jan tells me we need an upgrade on the XForms 1.1 schema
15:04:23 [John_Boyer]: are you up for that?
15:04:39 [markbirbeck]: Yes...we never managed to finish it.
15:04:45 [markbirbeck]: But I know what needs doing.
15:04:52 [markbirbeck]: Yes.
15:05:05 [Zakim]: +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:05:07 [markbirbeck]: But how about I do it during my day time next week, during FtF?
15:05:22 [John_Boyer]: That would be awesome, Mark!
15:05:52 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Blake, Ulrich, Steven (on IRC), Charlie (on IRC), MarkB (on IRC)
15:06:07 [Nick]: zakim, mute me
15:06:07 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:06:13 [Zakim]: + +6aabb
15:06:31 [lars]: zakim, +6aabb is me
15:06:31 [Zakim]: +lars; got it
15:06:37 [markbirbeck]: I.e., I'll set aside all of Wednesday for XForms-related stuff--will join the call around 2pm my time, and will spend the morning on the schemas.
15:06:47 [lars]: zakim, mute me
15:06:47 [Zakim]: lars should now be muted
15:07:03 [markbirbeck]: (Damn...you have that in writing now. :) )
15:07:12 [John_Boyer]: yes :-)
15:07:24 [klotz]: ACTION: Mark Birbeck to update XForms 1.1 Schemas.
15:07:43 [markbirbeck]: What about non-repudiation?
15:07:44 [John_Boyer]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0014.html
15:08:04 [John_Boyer]: much crypto theory is based on witnesses...
15:08:33 [John_Boyer]: Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:09:14 [markbirbeck]: Sorry...one last thing. Apologies that I still haven't registered for next week!! I will only be able to attend remotely. Would a Skype connection be possible to save on my phone bill? Thanks.
15:10:39 [Charlie]: not sure what type of local equipment is required for that...some type of mic and speakers...
15:10:48 [Charlie]: i can investigate the conf room when i get back tomorrow
15:11:25 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'steven' (internally: "(?i)steven")
15:11:29 [Charlie]: assuming steven has skype id etc
15:11:34 [markbirbeck]: Thanks. Yes, just a PC. Steven usually tries to run it from his machine, but it's a bit inconvenient for him.
15:11:53 [Steven]: I have a faster machine now
15:11:56 [Steven]: with a dual core
15:12:02 [Steven]: so you cna have one of my cores
15:12:10 [Charlie]: :}
15:14:17 [markbirbeck]: :)
15:17:17 [Steven]: rrsagent, grep -i steven
15:17:17 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'steven' (internally: "(?i)steven")
15:17:30 [Steven]: rrsagent, grep Steven
15:17:30 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'Steven'
15:17:36 [Steven]: hmm
15:17:57 [Nick]: should implement subset may implement the whole
15:18:23 [Steven]: rrsagent, grep -i <steven>
15:18:23 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '<steven>' (internally: "(?i)<steven>")
15:18:26 [John_Boyer]: must implement subset, may implement whole
15:18:40 [Steven]: rrsagent, grep <Steven>
15:18:40 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '<Steven>'
15:19:18 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0005.html
15:19:25 [John_Boyer]: XForms at XML conference
15:19:29 [John_Boyer]: a few options above
15:20:48 [Nick]: I think they did something like that at XTech
15:21:13 [Schnitz]: zakim, unmute me
15:21:13 [Zakim]: Schnitz should no longer be muted
15:21:28 [Schnitz]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:21:39 [Zakim]: Schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:21:54 [Schnitz]: zakim, r u nuts?
15:21:55 [Zakim]: I don't understand your question, Schnitz.
15:24:40 [John_Boyer]: Any objections to my pursuing Tuesday Dec. 4 as our XForms evening activity?
15:25:08 [Steven]: Yes! I have an objection
15:25:16 [Steven]: (I have to be in NL on Dec 5)
15:25:20 [John_Boyer]: tell us more...
15:25:45 [Steven]: Sinterklaas, it would be like missing Xmas for an American/Brit
15:26:08 [John_Boyer]: OK, Monday Dec. 3 then...
15:27:35 [Nick]: Nick has joined #Forms
15:30:58 [Schnitz]: zakim, mute me
15:30:58 [Zakim]: Schnitz should now be muted
15:32:48 [John_Boyer]: Proposal: work on last call issues as a work bee with two person teams...
15:33:24 [John_Boyer]: with coordination to editor and issues master (Ulrich)
15:34:15 [Schnitz]: zakim, unmute me
15:34:15 [Zakim]: Schnitz should no longer be muted
15:41:10 [Nick]: and some contain dozens of different icomments
15:41:40 [Zakim]: -David_Landwehr
15:44:31 [Schnitz]: zakim, mute me
15:44:31 [Zakim]: Schnitz should now be muted
15:45:12 [Schnitz]: zakim, who is here?
15:45:12 [Zakim]: On the phone I see jturner (muted), John_Boyer, Schnitz (muted), wellsk, Susan_Borgrink, Roger, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), lars (muted)
15:45:15 [Zakim]: Roger has Rafael
15:45:17 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Nick, lars, klotz, Rafael, ebruchez, SusanB, Roger, wellsk, Charlie, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, jturner, Zakim, Schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
15:47:08 [Nick]: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/xforms11.full.zip
15:47:27 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0008.html
15:47:32 [John_Boyer]: just assign action item to me please
15:49:45 [John_Boyer]: next topic is instance replacement fix
15:50:46 [jturner]: zakim, unmute me
15:50:46 [Zakim]: jturner should no longer be muted
15:52:06 [Nick]: wil it also send the read-only/read-write valid/invalid, .. events?
15:52:12 [John_Boyer]: yes
15:52:22 [John_Boyer]: that's the next bullet point in refresh
15:52:32 [John_Boyer]: if marked for xvc, then marked for all the other MIP events
16:00:49 [Nick]: no
16:00:56 [Nick]: but don't you need to do a rebuild when you have changed a dynamic dependency (predicate)
16:01:09 [John_Boyer]: yes agreed
16:03:20 [Schnitz]: zakim, unmute me
16:03:20 [Zakim]: Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:03:23 [Nick]: bye, see you next week
16:03:23 [Roger]: bye
16:03:25 [Zakim]: -Leigh_Klotz
16:03:26 [Zakim]: -lars
16:03:27 [Zakim]: -ebruchez
16:03:27 [jturner]: bye
16:03:28 [Zakim]: -wellsk
16:03:29 [Zakim]: -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:03:31 [Zakim]: -Susan_Borgrink
16:03:33 [Zakim]: -Schnitz
16:03:35 [Zakim]: -jturner
16:03:39 [Zakim]: -Roger
16:03:41 [Zakim]: -John_Boyer
16:03:42 [wellsk]: wellsk has left #forms
16:03:43 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:03:53 [Zakim]: Attendees were John_Boyer, +1.919.254.aaaa, Schnitz, David_Landwehr, Susan_Borgrink, wellsk, Rafael, jturner, Leigh_Klotz, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, lars
16:04:00 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:04:10 [John_Boyer]: rragent, make log public
16:04:17 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make log public
16:04:25 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, bye
16:04:25 [RRSAgent]: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-forms-actions.rdf :
16:04:25 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Mark Birbeck to update XForms 1.1 Schemas. [1]
16:04:25 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-forms-irc#T15-07-24