18:00:46 RRSAgent has joined #ws-policy-eds 18:00:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-ws-policy-eds-irc 18:01:18 meeting: WS Policy WG (editor's) 18:01:41 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Apr/0058.html 18:01:49 i'll join at 5 minutes past the hour 18:01:57 chair: Maryann 18:02:02 rrsagent, make log public 18:02:19 fjh2 has joined #ws-policy-eds 18:02:37 +[IBMCambridge] 18:03:00 +Frederick_Hirsch 18:03:02 zakim, IBMCambridge is Maryann 18:03:02 +Maryann; got it 18:03:59 scribe: frederick 18:04:01 thanks felix 18:04:03 scribeNick: fjh2 18:05:22 Topic: administrative 18:05:46 asir, are you joining by phone? 18:05:54 are you on mute, perhaps? 18:06:16 +Felix 18:06:19 am dialing in 18:06:44 +[Microsoft] 18:08:00 Next week Asir will chair, Maryann with be reporter, and Maryann will be scribe 18:08:05 Topic: Action Items 18:08:21 Ignore ticklers, 100 and 216 18:09:02 these are ongoing, change date to 31 July 18:09:06 s/July/June 18:09:23 Topic: AI 223 18:09:41 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Apr/0012.html 18:10:49 fjh4 has joined #ws-policy-eds 18:11:38 actions 223 and 224 done 18:12:19 +Prasad_Yendluri 18:12:31 Felix, thank you for making the doc look pretty with rectangle annotated boxes 18:13:28 TOPIC: AI 227 18:13:41 toufic: these are done, possible confusion of section numbering 18:13:56 also for 228 18:14:05 question for David Orchard 18:14:43 q+ 18:15:17 Present + Prasad 18:15:17 q+ 18:16:12 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-guidelines.xml.diff?r1=1.54&r2=1.55&f=h 18:16:14 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-guidelines.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#assertion-target 18:16:56 asir: note that the restructuring has not been done, it is simply the tags adjustment. 18:17:06 ... so the model has not been applied yet. 18:17:19 fjh4: look at red-line, link above 18:17:46 maryann: toufic still needs to restructure the sections to follow the model 18:17:52 ... actions are still open 18:19:49 q+ 18:20:25 ack asir 18:21:07 I propose we add an editors action to reflect the WG action to have an editors plan for interop document 18:21:17 related WG action is http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/277 18:21:40 zakim, Who is noisy? 18:21:54 prasad, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (11%), Maryann (38%), Frederick_Hirsch (27%) 18:22:44 yes, also wanted an agenda item. 18:23:16 Topic: Actions 227, 228 18:23:28 still open for toufic, targeting 25th. 18:24:58 Topic: AI 229 18:25:08 maryann: still open, working on local build 18:25:14 Topic: AI 230 18:25:25 asir: still open, planning for next week. 18:25:40 maryann: extend date to 25th 18:26:16 Topic: 231 18:26:25 fjh4: still open, extend to 25 18:26:30 Topic: 232 18:26:37 prasad: extend to 25th 18:27:11 Topic: 233 and 234 18:27:30 Need to confirm whether this restructuring is done 18:27:42 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-guidelines.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#extending-assertions 18:27:48 s;Need;maryann: Need 18:28:03 maryann: ok 18:28:04 maryann: ok 18:28:15 maryann: toufic you can look at this for an example 18:28:36 asir: here is response to Dave O (email) 18:28:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Apr/0047.html 18:29:57 maryann: before closing these AIs need to see response to asir's mail 18:30:20 ... toufic to send message to David regarding these issues 18:30:39 asir: referring to good practice 12 18:31:32 maryann: ok to not have an example 18:31:42 asir: this is an exception, go case by case 18:31:54 Topic: AI 235 18:32:09 Plan to release version of scenarios by 1 May 18:32:23 asir: same as WG action 277 18:32:54 maryann: title not clear 18:33:31 asir: need stable version of interop document in advance so implementers can prepare for interop 18:35:32 asir: document should always be up to date, unless we have open issues against it 18:35:55 ... 236 and 237 are only two against it. I've completed 236. 237 is open. 18:36:05 maryann: looking for volunteer for 237 18:36:37 toufic: takes issue 237 18:36:45 s/takes/I will take 18:36:47 s/takes/I will take 18:37:06 maryann: is there a way to create mail with summary of changes 18:37:18 asir: change log in document, toufic should update it 18:37:28 ... first page has auto timestamp at front 18:37:42 ... action 235, on 1 May need to tag and release 18:38:40 asir: I can tag and release, give date of 31 April 18:39:08 ... can report next week that version of document coming through, status of one action 18:40:19 agenda+ to talk about new sections in the Guidelines document 18:40:26 toufic: due dte for 237 so asir has at least 5 days to tag etc 18:40:47 Topic: Plan to document changes to guidelines 18:41:16 maryann: some things are done, some in progress, some new things 18:41:35 ... asir do you have list of items not assigned, new good practices? 18:42:12 G2) An assertion author should define policy assertions for behaviors that are relevant to compatibility tests, such as web service protocols that manifest on the wire. 18:42:28 G7) An assertion description should use the wsp:Optional attribute to indicate that the behavior indicated by the QName is optional for the associated policy subject. 18:42:28 G8) An assertion XML outline should allow the use of the wsp:Optional attribute to indicate optional behaviors. 18:42:28 G9) An assertion description should use the wsp:Ignorable attribute to indicate that the behavior indicated by the QName may be ignored by policy intersection. 18:42:28 G10) An assertion XML outline should allow for the use of the wsp:Ignorable attribute to indicate ignorable behaviors. 18:42:32 G11) An assertion author should represent useful (or additional) information necessary for engaging the behavior represented by a policy assertion as assertion parameters. 18:42:40 G16) An assertion author should choose the most granular policy subject that the behavior (represented by a policy assertion) applies to. 18:42:40 G17) If an assertion is allowed to be associated with multiple policy subjects then the assertion description should describe the semantics of multiple instances of the same assertion attached to multiple policy subjects at the same time. 18:42:41 G18) An assertion author should specify a preferred attachment point for the chosen policy subject. 18:43:27 maryann: do we need action item for each 18:43:35 asir: perhaps consider grouping first 18:43:56 ... some already have section in document 18:44:10 q+ 18:45:55 the contribution is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/att-0069/good-practices-4-assertion-authors-03-05-2007.pdf 18:47:38 +1 to the first approach 18:49:49 asir: agrees to review these items and determine which sections they belong in, if no existing section indicate new section needed 18:49:59 maryann: this is correct 18:51:03 ... plan to report to wg, still on track for F2F, identified sections with owners, and task to review remaining practices and determine location. Owner of section will complete those. 18:51:51 ... editors will have to provide text outlining changes to allow us to create summary 18:52:48 asir: diff will not be very useful due to number of changes, summary better 18:54:00 maryann: I will take action to document plan and report to WG. 18:54:10 asir: what about timeline? 18:54:37 maryann: F2F is 23 May, need all edits done by 16 May. 18:55:25 ... will include timeline in plan and share first on editorial list 18:56:07 ACTION: asir review remaining practices and determine which sections they belong in, if no existing section indicate new section needed 18:56:07 Created ACTION-238 - Review remaining practices and determine which sections they belong in, if no existing section indicate new section needed [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2007-04-25]. 18:57:24 -Felix 18:57:26 -Frederick_Hirsch 18:57:27 -Toufic_Boubez 18:57:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki 18:57:58 -Maryann 18:58:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki 18:58:23 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/interop/results/dashboard.html#Round-4-UDDI-Attachment-Interop 19:04:16 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/interop/results/dashboard.html#Round-4-UDDI-Attachment-Unittest 19:08:33 -Prasad_Yendluri 19:08:35 -[Microsoft] 19:08:36 WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended 19:08:38 Attendees were Toufic_Boubez, Frederick_Hirsch, Maryann, Felix, [Microsoft], Prasad_Yendluri 19:09:00 prasad has left #ws-policy-eds