18:54:02 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #ws-policy-eds
18:54:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-ws-policy-eds-irc
18:54:15 <fsasaki> meeting: WS Policy (editor's)
18:54:42 <fsasaki> chair: Umit
18:54:45 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Dec/0045.html
18:54:51 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
19:00:21 <prasad> prasad has joined #ws-policy-eds
19:00:57 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has now started
19:01:02 <Zakim> +??P2
19:01:04 <Zakim> +Toufic_Boubez
19:01:06 <prasad> zakim, ??P2 is prasad
19:01:06 <Zakim> +prasad; got it
19:01:29 <maryann> maryann has joined #ws-policy-eds
19:02:06 <Zakim> +Felix
19:02:37 <Zakim> +??P4
19:02:47 <toufic> scribe: toufic
19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P7
19:03:54 <maryann> zakim, ??P7 is maryann
19:03:54 <Zakim> +maryann; got it
19:03:56 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
19:05:10 <toufic> umit: next meeting in two weeks
19:05:17 <Frederick_Hirsch> Frederick_Hirsch has joined #ws-policy-eds
19:05:32 <fsasaki> (felix says regrets for next meeting, will rejoin in three weeks)
19:05:35 <toufic> umit: any coordination meeting in-between because of deliverables?
19:05:53 <toufic> maryann: it's an on-going process
19:06:34 <toufic> umit: wasn't clear which work items were in and which were out
19:06:39 <prasad> Present: Umit, Frederick, Maryann, Toufic, Felix, Prasad
19:06:43 <toufic> fred/maryann: we should clear that up
19:07:37 <Zakim> +DOrchard
19:07:40 <toufic> maryann: what hard constraints do we have for generating next drafts
19:07:53 <dorchard> dorchard has joined #ws-policy-eds
19:08:40 <toufic> prasad: can generate the diffs
19:09:10 <toufic> prasad: we have to send it around jan 9, that's good enough
19:09:58 <Frederick_Hirsch> Note that last editor call minutes not clear - what is delivered in January will be best effort and what editors are able to do
19:10:16 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Dec/0045.html
19:10:25 <toufic> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Dec/0045.html
19:11:12 <toufic> toufic: actions 92, 94 need review in this group
19:11:22 <prasad> 92 is closed?
19:11:47 <maryann> action 94 and 96
19:12:02 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0012.html
19:12:05 <maryann> toufic: needs the group to help before closing
19:12:40 <maryann> toufic: question -- there is a pointer in the framework that points to the primer 
19:14:12 <maryann> toufic: the bug had some changes which were done, but there is one thing still not done, which is the pointer from the framework ( normative) to primer ( non-normative)
19:14:23 <toufic> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965
19:14:30 <maryann> fred: where is the proposal for the link?
19:14:54 <maryann> Add a pointer to the 4.3.4 PolicyReference that points forward to the newly 
19:14:54 <maryann> proposed text in the Primer. Editor's discretion as to adding reference to 
19:14:54 <maryann> Guidelines document, Section 3.6. 
19:15:12 <maryann> this is in bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965
19:16:12 <maryann> umit: we should just ask back to the working group if we don't know what to do
19:16:21 <maryann> toufic: i'll add it then
19:16:33 <maryann> umit: we could just drop a note to the chairs
19:16:39 <maryann> +1
19:16:45 <toufic> ACTION: toufic to ask chairs about forward pointer in http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965
19:16:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Ask chairs about forward pointer in http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965 [on Toufic Boubez - due 2006-12-27].
19:16:48 <maryann> umit: paul will be able to find it
19:17:13 <maryann> toufic, i can't find it in the minutes
19:17:49 <maryann> touf: the other action item is 96
19:17:56 <maryann> TOPIC- action 96
19:18:01 <toufic> action 96 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0020.html
19:18:18 <umit> umit has joined #ws-policy-eds
19:18:33 <maryann> toufic: asir asked me to look over it 
19:18:51 <maryann> toufic: I made 7 of the 9 changes and have 2 questions
19:19:07 <maryann> toufic: asir asked me to get feedback on the edits
19:19:08 <toufic> a) s/WS-Policy Assertions are XML expressions that communicate the requirements/WS-Policy Assertions communicate the requirements/
19:19:34 <maryann> toufic: asir is proposing to remove "xml expressions"
19:19:48 <maryann> prasad: xml is only one of the rendering languages
19:20:10 <maryann> umit: but we don't have anything about doing it in any other language
19:20:53 <maryann> prasad: there is text in the framework that says the lang is not limited to XML only
19:20:57 <toufic> d) s/A provider of WS-Policy Assertions/A provider who expresses capabilities and requirements of a Web service as policies/
19:21:17 <maryann> toufic: so i will take that input and make the change ( regarding XML expressions)
19:21:50 <maryann> toufic: the change seems to be overly complicated
19:22:31 <maryann> prasad: i think he's trying to say they are requirements on the provider, provider is not providing the policy, but is providing the actual capabilities
19:22:51 <maryann> toufic: 3.1..3 is the section where this change would be made
19:23:11 <maryann> umit: i agree
19:23:18 <maryann> +1
19:23:28 <toufic> scribe: toufic
19:23:34 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 95
19:23:52 <toufic> maryann: asir assigned it to me to follow up with umit
19:24:06 <toufic> umit: has expressed a need to sleep
19:24:22 <toufic> maryann: new date Jan 3
19:24:31 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 98
19:24:46 <toufic> prasad: just finished the change
19:25:52 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 99
19:26:10 <toufic> fred: done and checked in
19:27:06 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 100
19:27:14 <toufic> umit: assigned to everybody
19:27:30 <toufic> maryann: not on critical path, not needed until next year after doc publication
19:27:41 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 94
19:28:00 <toufic> umit: still open
19:28:12 <toufic> umit: daveO, do we have a room?
19:28:21 <toufic> daveO: no action required, we have the room
19:28:30 <toufic> TOPIC: Action 105
19:29:03 <toufic> fred: it was two docs
19:29:16 <toufic> daveO: suggests an overly complicated process to resolve
19:29:35 <toufic> maryann: it was for guidelines and primer
19:29:52 <prasad> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-ws-policy-minutes.html
19:30:18 <toufic> i don't see any editorial actions ...
19:31:21 <toufic> umit: no other editorial actions from today's WG call
19:31:34 <toufic> prasad: just to be clear, are we sending all four documents to WG?
19:31:41 <toufic> fred: i thought that was the intent
19:31:44 <toufic> maryann: +1
19:33:49 <toufic> next meeting chair: Dave Orchard
19:33:57 <toufic> next meeting scribe: Umit
19:35:47 <dorchard> http://www.flickr.com/photos/asir-selvasingh/sets/72157594425466844/
19:36:05 <toufic> happy holidays to everybody
19:36:07 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
19:36:09 <Zakim> -DOrchard
19:36:09 <Zakim> -Umit
19:36:11 <Zakim> -maryann
19:36:12 <Zakim> -Felix
19:36:19 <Zakim> -prasad
19:36:24 <toufic> felix
19:36:30 <toufic> could you please generate the minutes?
19:36:41 <fsasaki> sure
19:36:46 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:36:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki
19:36:56 <maryann> maryann has left #ws-policy-eds
19:36:57 <toufic> thanks!
19:37:06 <toufic> bye
19:37:09 <fsasaki> np,bye
19:37:37 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
19:37:37 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
19:37:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: toufic to ask chairs about forward pointer in http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965 [1]
19:37:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-16-45
19:37:40 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
19:37:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Toufic_Boubez, prasad, Felix, maryann, Frederick_Hirsch, Umit, DOrchard
19:37:40 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ws-policy-eds