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13:27:39 <shadi> zakim, this will be tsd
13:27:39 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:27:49 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
13:28:02 <shadi> chair: Christophe
13:28:18 <shadi> regrets: Shane, CarlosV
13:28:31 <shadi> regrets: Shane, CarlosV, Daniela
13:28:50 <shadi> regrets: Shane, CarlosV, Daniela, Vangelis
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13:29:45 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
13:29:47 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:12 <shadi> agenda+ Selection of monitoring tools
13:30:28 <shadi> agenda+ Review of evaluation process for test samples
13:30:29 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:30:30 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:30:31 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:30:47 <shadi> agenda+ Templates for TCDL metadata
13:30:59 <Zakim> +Cooper
13:31:34 <Christophe> zakim, am i here?
13:31:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Christophe.
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13:32:35 <Zakim> +berrueta
13:34:17 <Zakim> +??P3
13:34:47 <shadi> zakim, ??p3 is really Chris
13:34:47 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
13:35:03 <shadi> zakim, berrueta is really CarlosI#
13:35:03 <Zakim> +CarlosI#; got it
13:35:50 <shadi> scribe: Chris
13:35:56 <shadi> scribenick: ChrisR
13:36:03 <shadi> agenda?
13:36:18 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:36:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Selection of monitoring tools" taken up [from shadi]
13:36:34 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Dec/0013.html
13:37:13 <ChrisR> CS: choice between bugzilla and moinmoin wiki
13:37:32 <ChrisR> CS: not sure what level of automation we need
13:38:24 <ChrisR> CS: my impression is that most of group is in favour of bugzilla (although I don't find it very friendly)
13:39:55 <ChrisR> MC: was a fair about of overhead to initially setup and small overhead as we progress for bugzilla.
13:40:16 <ChrisR> MC: Now bugzilla is working quite well.
13:41:54 <ChrisR> MC: Wiki seems easiest for public but Bugzilla also offers quite good access to info.
13:42:27 <ChrisR> MC: We're now using a home grown tool in WCAG group because Bugzilla did not support a few things.
13:44:04 <ChrisR> CR: Wiki seems easiest but Bugzill can work too. Don't have strong feelings either way.
13:44:31 <ChrisR> CV: Can go either way.
13:45:14 <CarlosI> s/CV/CI
13:45:42 <ChrisR> SAZ: proposes using Wiki to start. Easy and quick to setup with option to switch to bugzilla if problems arrise.
13:46:17 <ChrisR> SAZ: Can't think of any features that are missing from Wiki and present in Bugzilla that would cause us to use Bugzilla.
13:47:14 <ChrisR> MC: WCAG group tracks issues differently from this group.
13:48:24 <ChrisR> SAZ: OK to try out Wiki? (but still give Christophe chance to check with people not on call today)
13:49:37 <ChrisR> resolution: (not a formal decision but...) recommend that group goes with Wiki.
13:50:13 <ChrisR> RESOLUTION: (not a formal decision but...) recommend that group goes with Wiki.
13:50:45 <ChrisR> ACTION: Christophe should check with people not on call regarding resolution.
13:51:10 <Christophe> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
13:51:11 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:51:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, Selection of monitoring tools, closed
13:51:12 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:51:13 <Zakim> 2. Review of evaluation process for test samples [from shadi]
13:51:14 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:51:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of evaluation process for test samples" taken up [from shadi]
13:51:24 <Christophe> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
13:52:45 <ChrisR> SAZ: need to plug in tool for steps 2 and 3.
13:53:08 <ChrisR> SAZ: Need to check for correct copyright notice.
13:53:43 <ChrisR> CS: Should start entering a few test samples to check process.
13:54:37 <ChrisR> SAZ: There were 3 test samples uploaded already.
13:55:05 <ChrisR> SAZ: We should cross review the test samples.
13:55:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_001.xml
13:55:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_002.xml
13:56:03 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_003.xml
13:57:10 <ChrisR> CS: Already added links between location and techniques.
13:59:14 <ChrisR> SAZ: volunters should take these test files and apply to steps 1,2 and 3 in process. (step 1 is already done)
13:59:32 <ChrisR> CI: then post review to list?
14:00:13 <ChrisR> SAZ: yes, this is what would be done using Wiki/Bugzilla but we don't have tool yet so use mailing list.
14:00:38 <ChrisR> ACTION: CR will take test file 1
14:00:54 <ChrisR> ACTION: CI will take test files 2 and 3.
14:02:06 <ChrisR> SAZ: TCDL document has been updated.
14:04:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
14:05:10 <ChrisR> ACTION: CS will make changes to TCDL usage document that reflect changes to TCDL (location/technique) and make public.
14:05:36 <Zakim> -Chris
14:07:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:08:35 <Christophe> zakim, [IP is really ChrisR
14:08:35 <Zakim> +ChrisR; got it
14:09:06 <ChrisR> SAZ: need to have WCAG and ERT to review TCDL status.
14:10:30 <ChrisR> ACTION: SAZ will post status update to WCAG and ERT lists so those groups can review TCDL documents.
14:12:43 <ChrisR> ACTION: MC will try to reserve an agendum item on WCAG call to describe progress of this group.
14:13:36 <ChrisR> MC: Posting to mailing list may be missed so important to bring up on call.
14:14:34 <ChrisR> MC: Will try to schedule agendum but SAZ or CS may make presentation.
14:14:56 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:14:56 <Zakim> agendum 2, Review of evaluation process for test samples, closed
14:14:58 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:14:59 <Zakim> 3. Templates for TCDL metadata [from shadi]
14:15:02 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:15:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Templates for TCDL metadata" taken up [from shadi]
14:15:18 <shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/sc3.1.1_l1_001.xml
14:15:27 <shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/scx.x.x_lx_xxx.xml
14:16:24 <ChrisR> SAZ: Perhaps should be uploaded to CVS (currently on BenToWeb site)?
14:16:33 <ChrisR> CS: sure, where?
14:17:48 <ChrisR> SAZ: on root level of test samples repository
14:18:37 <ChrisR> SAZ: Would like to see real example so prefer first sample (not one with 'xxx's).
14:19:19 <ChrisR> CS: OK will use one with real Success Criteria.
14:20:08 <ChrisR> SAZ: Would like to see more comments, especially at start of doc.
14:20:25 <ChrisR> CS: Will update comments.
14:21:14 <ChrisR> CS: Sample with 'xxx' has more comments and will move those over to other sample.
14:22:02 <ChrisR> SAZ: (jumping back to review of samples) Can you post comments for next weeks call?
14:22:16 <ChrisR> CI and CR: yes, should be ready by next week.
14:23:32 <Zakim> -Cooper
14:23:33 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:23:36 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:23:37 <Zakim> -ChrisR
14:23:38 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
14:23:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, Chris, CarlosI#, [IPcaller], ChrisR
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14:24:59 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:25:04 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:25:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
14:25:11 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:25:13 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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14:25:26 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christophe should check with people not on call regarding resolution. [1]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T13-50-45
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CR will take test file 1 [2]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-00-38
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI will take test files 2 and 3. [3]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-00-54
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS will make changes to TCDL usage document that reflect changes to TCDL (location/technique) and make public. [4]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-10
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ will post status update to WCAG and ERT lists so those groups can review TCDL documents. [5]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-10-30
14:25:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MC will try to reserve an agendum item on WCAG call to describe progress of this group. [6]
14:25:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-12-43