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15:53:04 <eneumann> rrsagent, set minutes public
15:53:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'set minutes public', eneumann.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:53:25 <chimezie> hey eric
15:54:49 <eneumann> rrsagent, set draft public
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15:57:55 <ivan> zakim, this will be hcls
15:57:55 <Zakim> ok, ivan, I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM already started
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15:58:30 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
15:58:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:58:30 <Zakim> -Christophe_Poulain
15:58:30 <Zakim> +Christophe_Poulain
15:58:30 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:58:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:01 <samwaldmatthias> thats me.
15:59:10 <samwaldmatthias> (IPcaller)
15:59:20 <ivan> zakim, ipcaller is matthias
15:59:20 <Zakim> +matthias; got it
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16:05:04 <Zakim> +??P42
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16:05:55 <eneumann> zakim, +P42 is mscottm
16:05:56 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
16:05:58 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I do not recognize a party named '+P42'
16:06:12 <Zakim> +Don_Doherty
16:06:29 <eneumann> zakim, P42 is mscottm
16:06:29 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I do not recognize a party named 'P42'
16:06:36 <Zakim> +Kei
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16:06:49 <ivan> zakim, ??P42 is mscottm
16:06:50 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
16:07:03 <eneumann> (to Ivan, thanks)
16:08:58 <eneumann> zakim, who's here?
16:08:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Christophe_Poulain, Ivan, matthias, Bill_Bug, mscottm, Vipul_Kashyap, Don_Doherty, Kei
16:09:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, mscottm, BillBug, samwaldmatthias, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, ivan, chimezie
16:09:03 <Zakim> + +1.519.498.aaaa
16:10:41 <eneumann> zakim, aaaa is helenchen
16:10:41 <Zakim> +helenchen; got it
16:13:49 <vipul> Eric: Frame the issues that came up
16:14:11 <vipul> Eric: One liner to submit to Kei
16:14:45 <vipul> Eric: Ideas and concepts exist outside our group and should be referred to without making it a big deal
16:15:00 <vipul> Eric: some concepts B2B, Translational Medicine
16:15:10 <vipul> Kei: OK to define these terms in our own context
16:16:16 <vipul> Eric: Could Kei point to article that we can refer to...
16:16:26 <vipul> Vipul: http://www.translational-medicine.com
16:16:58 <vipul> Eric: Translational Medicine has a crisp definition as referred to the FDA Critical Path
16:17:22 <vipul> Eric: But B2B is not well defined...
16:17:52 <vipul> Kei: Give summary of what he has received
16:20:58 <vipul> Kei: Current paper covers many of the "one-liner" viewpoints
16:21:18 <eneumann> q?
16:21:20 <vipul> Kei: Paper may need to be shortened a little bit
16:21:47 <eneumann> summary of BMC one-liners: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Dec/0019.html
16:21:49 <vipul> Kei: Personal preference is to describe different aspects of the HCLS group
16:22:04 <ivan> q+
16:22:11 <vipul> Kei: Vision should not be too ambitious and should be realistic
16:22:18 <BillBug> q?
16:22:38 <BillBug> q+
16:22:49 <eneumann> ack ivan
16:23:10 <vipul> Ivan: If we have problems with size, describing things separately is not feasible
16:23:23 <vipul> Ivan: Have some acknowledgement about groups
16:23:30 <mscottm> +1
16:23:39 <vipul> Kei: Lot of the sections, including the introduction can be shortened...
16:24:02 <vipul> Ivan: Let's have the paper in a presentable form and then cut the paper short
16:24:12 <eneumann> ack BillBug
16:24:48 <vipul> Bill: Is it going to be a vision paper? How is meant to interpolate with the E-Science/OBO Foundry proects
16:25:55 <ivan> q+
16:26:29 <vipul> Kei: E-Science link is important
16:27:20 <vipul> Bill: Could be as simple as participants of those projects are participants of the HCLS group
16:28:34 <eneumann> ack ivan
16:28:50 <vipul> Ivan: Which other papers will be in this issue?
16:29:19 <vipul> Kei: papers describing Biopax, Neuroscience data integration, the relationship between e-science and neuroscience, biological ontologies
16:30:58 <vipul> Bill: Who is the editor?
16:31:22 <vipul> Kei: huajun Chen and yiming wang are the two editors, who were also organizers of the Beijing workshop
16:32:07 <vipul> Kei: BMC Bioinformatics asked them to submit 8 papers. They could select only 4-5 papers...  Hence they approached us
16:32:15 <eneumann> zakim, who's talking?
16:32:27 <Zakim> eneumann, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: helenchen (23%), Bill_Bug (59%), Kei (9%)
16:32:59 <vipul> Ivan: We can move the semantic web introduction into the editorial ... would give us space... part of some comprehensive collection
16:33:14 <eneumann> zakim, who's talking?
16:33:25 <Zakim> eneumann, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: helenchen (61%), Vipul_Kashyap (10%), Kei (13%)
16:34:59 <vipul> Eric: 4 of the one liners mentioned vision
16:35:10 <vipul> Eric: Matthias proposed a blending
16:35:32 <vipul> Matthias: Best compromise that can be made and most enjoyable things from the readers viewpoint
16:35:58 <vipul> q
16:36:17 <vipul> q+
16:36:51 <eneumann> ack vipul
16:37:51 <vipul> Eric: continues to be many different use scenarios
16:38:12 <vipul> RDF data, capturing semantics for inferencing, pure vocabulary, tagging approach
16:38:49 <vipul> Eric: controlled vocabulary is mainstream
16:39:11 <vipul> helen: focus on use case
16:39:19 <vipul> vipul: +1 to use cases
16:40:07 <vipul> helen: too premature to call it results..
16:40:09 <mscottm> +1
16:40:58 <vipul> helen: liked the comprehensive use case Parkinson's Disease
16:41:03 <vipul> q+
16:41:19 <eneumann> ack vipul
16:41:23 <BillBug> endorse focus on multi-perspective view of Parkinson's use case - and how SemWebTech is particular useful in each context.
16:42:29 <vipul> Eric: Use case needs to be enough to add the problems and what can we add to make it easy
16:43:19 <vipul> Eric: Trying to bring together large digital collections... Represent the metadata in different RDF forms and postpone the standardization piece...
16:43:34 <vipul> q+
16:45:05 <eneumann> ack vipul
16:45:31 <Zakim> -helenchen
16:45:50 <vipul> Eric: mappings need to be dealt with but not in a defacto standard mode
16:47:22 <Zakim> +helenchen
16:48:07 <mscottm> Just for the record: When asked, Kei told me that his name is pronounced as "Kay".
16:48:20 <eneumann> TR def: http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/criticalpath/whitepaper.html
16:49:24 <eneumann> ACTION: Kei to develop the "theme" for the paper based on the already gathered input
16:50:57 <eneumann> (theme also includes objectives)
16:52:08 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
16:54:44 <vipul> Ivan: Need permission of publishers to post the papers on the W3C website
16:55:00 <eneumann> "translational research -- multidisciplinary scientific efforts directed at "accelerating therapy development" (i.e., moving basic discoveries into the clinic more efficiently)"
16:55:09 <vipul> Vipul summarized the book chapter content he was invited to submit to the rest of the group
16:57:19 <vipul> Kei: Will put out the perspectives over the weekend
16:58:51 <eneumann> ACTION: TC for Dec 14, Helen Chen scribing
16:59:02 <Zakim> -helenchen
16:59:09 <Zakim> -Bill_Bug
16:59:15 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
16:59:26 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:59:27 <Zakim> -Kei
16:59:28 <Zakim> -Christophe_Poulain
16:59:29 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:59:30 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
16:59:31 <Zakim> -mscottm
16:59:36 <Zakim> -matthias
16:59:37 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:59:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Poulain, Ivan, matthias, Bill_Bug, Vipul_Kashyap, Don_Doherty, Kei, mscottm, +1.519.498.aaaa, helenchen, Alan_Ruttenberg
17:00:11 <ivan> zakim, bye
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17:00:22 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-hcls-minutes.html ivan
17:00:29 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:00:30 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-hcls-actions.rdf :
17:00:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kei to develop the "theme" for the paper based on the already gathered input [1]
17:00:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-hcls-irc#T16-49-24
17:00:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TC for Dec 14, Helen Chen scribing [2]
17:00:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-hcls-irc#T16-58-51