IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-12-05

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meeting: i18n core Working Group

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chair: Francois

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scribe: Felix

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started

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+ +1.416.461.aaaa

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+Felix

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Hi Felix

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+??P17

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zakim, ? is fyergeau

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+fyergeau; got it

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action: Felix to gather pointers for Michael about W3C in general and i18n specific stuff (including ws i18n)

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topic: Michael - self introduction

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Michael: interested in i18n in general and ws-i18n in specific . New to W3C WGs

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topic: action items

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action Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE)

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action: Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE)

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action: Francois to review InkML LC draft (PENDING)

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http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews

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action: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for BCP47 (ONGOING)

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see thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0015.html

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http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nLTLI

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action: Felix to to classify open LTLI issues (PENDING)

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Felix: would use the wiki to collect topics, but text creation directly in the draft

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ACTION: All to read Marks comments on IDNA issues (PENDING)

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thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Oct/0012.html

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comments from Mark and Martin are available

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s/Mark and//

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s/Marks comments/Martins comments/

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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list

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Heard nothing from Chris Lilley

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Francois: the last mail on the topic was from Martin, we are waiting for Chris

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ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)

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ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary (ONGOING)

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Francois: started editing this morning

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ACTION: Francois to reply to Schema WG on normalization issue (DONE)

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topic: idna issue update

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postponed until next week

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topic: time Ontology comments

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reply from Semantic web WG at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html

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Francois: can be fixed when entered in a time line in the ontology

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.. as they say. We did not have a specific suggestion to solve the problem

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Francois: people in semantic web should do the Olson ID conversion to RDF

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action: Felix to go back to the WG finally

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Felix: will mention olson ID again

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topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0013.html

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reply from Martin http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0018.html

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Francois: agree with Martin on that

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action: Felix to go back to Bjoern saying Martins mail is a WG answer

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topic: XQuery full-text search request for feedback

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original mail from Jim http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0012.html

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Felix reply at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0003.html

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Felix: the FTLanguage Option refers only to a language tag, hence I proposed to reference RFC 4646 and not BCP 47 as a whole

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"/book[@number="1"]//editor ftcontains "salon de the"

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with default stop words language "fr"

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Francois: the "fr" would match to the particular implementation options

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.. so we need matching

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Felix: agree, and ask for a note which explains that

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Francois: 3.2.6 says "It is implementation-defined what additional language identifiers, if any, are valid. "

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.. in BCP 47, they should start with "x" for non-BCP 47 identifiers. So: use BCP 47, there is room for private extensions

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.. in the reply, we should explain the BCP 47 role as RFC 3066 sucessor work, and there is another successor on the way

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Felix: on issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3740 : what should happen in the case of conflicts between xml:lang and the language option

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Francois: xml:lang should have precedence - so ask for a SHOULD, since not all implementations will have all languages available

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Michael: you search a Japanese document with a french option, they will just get no results, but maybe that's OK

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Francois: parsing rules are different for languages, e.g. no spaces in Japanese

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.. the implementation should obey xml:lang

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s/should/SHOULD/

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.. and say it is implementation-defined what languages they cover

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on issue 3698, see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/full-text/full-text.html#ftdiacriticsoption

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Felix describes the issue

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Felix: are there standardized options for diacritics in collations?

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Felix

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s/Felix/Francois: I'll have a look

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action: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations

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action: Felix to ask for an extension for CSS 2.1 review

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topic: LTLI

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Felix: will make a summary of the discussion and make editing related to that

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-fyergeau

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-Michael

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-Felix

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.416.461.aaaa, Felix, fyergeau, Michael

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s/the discussion/the discussion at the architecture domain f2f/

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present: Felix, Francois, Michael

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regrets: Richard

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