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20:59:13 <Michael_Cooper> rrsagent, make log world
20:59:19 <Michael_Cooper> meeting: WAI WCAG
20:59:25 <Michael_Cooper> chair: Gregg_Vanderheident
20:59:32 <Michael_Cooper> chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:59:39 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
20:59:46 <Zakim> +Judy
21:00:06 <David> David has joined #wai-wcag
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21:00:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:00:40 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, IPcaller is LucaMascaro
21:00:40 <Zakim> +LucaMascaro; got it
21:00:43 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
21:00:51 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
21:00:58 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, call Cooper-Ottawa
21:00:58 <Zakim> ok, Michael_Cooper; the call is being made
21:01:00 <Zakim> +Cooper
21:01:40 <Zakim> +??P8
21:01:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:01:57 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
21:01:57 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
21:02:00 <Zakim> +??P6
21:02:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:02:05 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:02:08 <ben_> zakim, ??P6 is Ben_and_Gregg
21:02:08 <Zakim> +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
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21:02:12 <bengt> zakim, [IPcaller] is Bengt_Farre
21:02:12 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
21:02:14 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:02:30 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:02:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, LucaMascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Cooper, ??P8, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey
21:02:57 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, mute me
21:02:57 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
21:03:02 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, ??P8 is Cynthia_Shelly
21:03:02 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
21:03:21 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
21:03:40 <David> scribe: David
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21:04:00 <ben_> RRSAgent, pointer?
21:04:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/11/02-wai-wcag-irc#T21-04-00
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21:04:10 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:04:14 <ben_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0067.html
21:04:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:04:25 <Michael_Cooper> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0067.html
21:04:38 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, IP is Sorcha_Moore
21:04:38 <Zakim> sorry, Michael_Cooper, I do not recognize a party named 'IP'
21:04:44 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
21:04:44 <Zakim> +Sorcha_Moore; got it
21:04:53 <Sorcha> zakim, mute Sorcha_Moore
21:04:53 <Zakim> Sorcha_Moore should now be muted
21:05:17 <Michael_Cooper> agenda+ Announcements, updates, questions
21:05:21 <ben_> chair+ Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:05:22 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, take up item 1
21:05:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, updates, questions" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
21:05:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:05:43 <Michael_Cooper> agenda+ Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739  on)
21:05:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
21:05:55 <rellero__> Zakim, IPcaller.a is Roberto_Ellero
21:05:55 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:05:59 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, [IPcaller] is Gez_Lemon
21:05:59 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon; got it
21:06:04 <rellero__> zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
21:06:04 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
21:06:14 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:06:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, LucaMascaro (muted), David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey,
21:06:17 <Zakim> ... Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore (muted), Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero (muted)
21:06:23 <Michael_Cooper> agenda+ Editor's Issues for 19 October
21:06:33 <Michael_Cooper> agenda+ Oct 2006 Face to Face Resolutions
21:07:48 <Michael_Cooper> agenda?
21:08:04 <Michael_Cooper> agenda+ Plan for addressing cognitive issues
21:08:48 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:08:49 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, close this item
21:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
21:08:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:08:52 <Zakim> 2. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739  on) [from Michael_Cooper]
21:10:13 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, take up item 5
21:10:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Plan for addressing cognitive issues" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
21:10:34 <David> topic: how to address cognitive issues.
21:10:53 <ben_> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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21:14:50 <Michael_Cooper> ack b
21:15:56 <Michael_Cooper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/10/25-27_ftf-minutes#Cognitive_Discussion
21:16:16 <judy> q+
21:16:36 <Michael_Cooper> ack j
21:17:25 <judy> q+
21:18:20 <ben> ack judy
21:19:32 <Zakim> + +1.713.790.aaaa
21:20:11 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, +1.713 is John_Slatin
21:20:11 <Zakim> +John_Slatin; got it
21:23:29 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes
21:23:44 <Loretta> +q
21:23:47 <Loretta> q+
21:24:26 <Michael_Cooper> ack l
21:24:54 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, close this item
21:24:54 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
21:24:55 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:24:56 <Zakim> 2. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739  on) [from Michael_Cooper]
21:25:04 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, take up item 2
21:25:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739  on)" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
21:26:11 <David> Topic: 739
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21:27:19 <Ryladog> q+
21:27:41 <Gregg> ack r
21:27:59 <Michael_Cooper> ack ry
21:28:04 <ben> zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
21:28:04 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
21:28:49 <Zakim> -Judy
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21:29:13 <David> Resolution: close 739 with Ben's edits
21:30:00 <Michael_Cooper> q+ to say problem is if the media _does_ load but you still need alt
21:30:08 <David> topic: 786
21:31:26 <Michael_Cooper> ack m
21:31:26 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say problem is if the media _does_ load but you still need alt
21:35:21 <Ryladog> q+
21:36:02 <Michael_Cooper> ack ry
21:38:39 <Gregg> ack b
21:39:21 <ben> q+
21:39:57 <Gregg> ack b
21:40:03 <Gregg> q+
21:41:02 <Michael_Cooper> q+ to say I agree with Ben, and also would like to document Gez's technique
21:41:13 <Michael_Cooper> q-
21:42:05 <Loretta> q+
21:42:48 <Gregg> ack g
21:42:54 <Gregg> ack l
21:43:43 <David> Action: Gz to write a no-ebed technique demonstration
21:43:54 <David> s/Gz/Gez
21:44:30 <Michael_Cooper> action 1 = Gez to write a no-embed technique demonstration
21:44:52 <Michael_Cooper> scribeOptions: -trustRRSAgent
21:44:57 <David> Resolution: Accept 786 as revised
21:46:33 <David> topic: 975
21:51:39 <David> Resolution: accept 975 as revised
21:52:16 <David> topic: 1160
21:52:48 <David> resolution: accept 1160 as amended
21:58:14 <Gregg> ACK C
22:00:32 <Gregg> ACK C
22:02:10 <David> Resolution: send 1201 back to team C
22:02:52 <David> topic: 1321
22:03:25 <David> topic: correction 1329
22:14:49 <Zakim> -Sorcha_Moore
22:15:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
22:15:31 <Sorcha> [IPcaller] is <sorcha_moore>
22:15:33 <Michael_Cooper> zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
22:15:33 <Zakim> +Sorcha_Moore; got it
22:17:39 <Sorcha> thank you, Michael!
22:18:07 <Gregg> q?
22:18:21 <David> resolution: split 1329 into 2 issues, close 1.3.6  issue, break out issue  on 1.3.1 and leave it open , 
22:18:52 <David> topic: 964
22:19:05 <David> Resolution: leave 964 open
22:19:30 <David> Topic: 695
22:24:17 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:29:15 <Gez> q+
22:30:02 <Gez> q-
22:35:45 <Gregg> ack c
22:36:13 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:38:40 <ben> zakim, mute Bruce
22:38:40 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
22:41:35 <Zakim> -LucaMascaro
22:46:51 <Loretta> \me coming right up
22:47:07 <Loretta> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2006Aug/0003
22:50:38 <David> resolution: accept issue 695 as proposed removing the recommedation for  the use of quotations marks.
22:55:06 <David> resolution: close 698 with a message pointing out that there is already a failure for this situation. 
22:58:19 <David> Resolution: Accept proposed Font Scaling resolution from f2f
23:01:38 <Michael_Cooper> q+ to reopen informative sections of doc discussion
23:01:47 <David> Resolution: Accept font scaling language: if we can find proper wording, there should be at least one SC dealing with font scaling
23:01:49 <David> 	If we can find proper wording, there should be a SC at least at Level 3 that deals with scaling and reflow (font and other?)
23:01:50 <David>       If we can find proper wording, there should be a SC at least at Level 3 that deals with scaling and reflow (font and other?)
23:02:45 <Gregg> ack m
23:02:45 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to reopen informative sections of doc discussion
23:02:53 <Gregg> ack c
23:03:18 <Loretta> q+
23:03:25 <Gregg> ack l
23:06:00 <Gregg> ack c
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23:09:34 <Zakim> -Sorcha_Moore
23:09:52 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
23:11:37 <David> Resolution: If it's a SC  it must be testable. 
23:11:49 <ben> zakim, who's muted?
23:11:49 <Zakim> I see Sofia_Celic, Bruce_Bailey muted
23:12:06 <ben> zakim, unmute Bruce
23:12:06 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
23:13:42 <David> Resolution: Accept f2f "Everything at L1 or L2 can be applied to all web content."
23:14:47 <David> Action: Gregg to explore recasting photosensitive issue into angle of view.
23:15:26 <David> Resolution:acept f2f "SC 1.3.4 should be folded into SC 1.3.1, with text descriptions provided as a fallback technique when a technology does not provide a mechanism to describe a relationship."
23:17:27 <David> Resolution: Proceed with developing a hybrid approach to the the "baseline" concept that includes rules for using technologies and sufficient techniques for conformance. 
23:17:40 <David> s/the the/the
23:18:36 <David> ccept F@F Proposed consensus on Guideline 4.2 issues: 
23:18:37 <David> Move handling of alternate versions from 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 to conformance (there is a logic flaw by keeping 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 in as success criteria; content that is suppose to pass 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 would fail all or some of the other success criteria) 
23:18:39 <David> keep 4.2.2 and 4.2.4 as success criteria 
23:19:07 <David> Resolution: Accept F@F Proposed consensus on Guideline 4.2 issues:
23:19:08 <David> Move handling of alternate versions from 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 to conformance (there is a logic flaw by keeping 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 in as success criteria; content that is suppose to pass 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 would fail all or some of the other success criteria)
23:19:10 <David> keep 4.2.2 and 4.2.4 as success criteria
23:19:34 <David> s/F@F/F2F
23:20:42 <David> Resolution:Accept F2F
23:20:43 <David>  Proposed consensus on Level AAA issues: 
23:20:45 <David> AAA conformance means all applicable level 3 success criteria are met 
23:20:46 <David> Those making conformance claims can report progress towards higher level if they specify particular success criteria they have met. 
23:20:48 <David> No A+ or AA+ claim languages, only A or AA etc. 
23:21:37 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:21:39 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
23:21:40 <Zakim> -Ben_and_Gregg
23:21:41 <Zakim> -Gez_Lemon
23:21:41 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:21:42 <Zakim> -Makoto_Ueki
23:21:44 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:21:45 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:21:47 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:21:48 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
23:21:49 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:21:50 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:21:52 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:21:54 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
23:21:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Judy, LucaMascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Makoto_Ueki, Tim_Boland, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Bruce_Bailey, Cynthia_Shelly, Becky_Gibson,
23:21:59 <Zakim> ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Roberto_Ellero, Gez_Lemon, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.713.790.aaaa, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes, [IPcaller]
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23:35:57 <ben> Present: Judy_Brewer, Luca_Mascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes
23:36:12 <ben> Michael? are you generating minutes or am I?
23:36:46 <Michael_Cooper> was gonna ask - I can, thought it'll be later
23:37:04 <Michael_Cooper> s/thought/though
23:37:11 <Michael_Cooper> ok
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