IRC log of ua on 2006-10-26

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17:47:38 [jallan]
zakim, this will be wai_u
17:47:38 [Zakim]
ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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chair: jallan
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scribe: jr
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meeting: UAWG teleconference
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0012.html
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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+Jim_Allan
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+Jan_Richards
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+[IBM]
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zakim, [IBM] is parente
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+parente; got it
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+[IBM]
18:03:46 [JR]
Topic: 9.5 No events on focus change (P2)
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zakim, [IBM] is cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
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JA: There was a back and forth between JA and JT earlier
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JR: My point was that UA's might not know what actions are just highlighting-presentation
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CL: State should be passed back to the DOM - so UA should know about state change
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JA: IF I cause something to get focus...and that changes stylesheet...that's not necessarily a state change....
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PP: On linux there are events just to say text formatting has changed
18:11:19 [JR]
JA: But things done by CSS don't show up in DOM?
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CL: DOM is the browser's API
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CL: But on Windows browsers of using both the DOM and MSAA to expose things to AT's
18:14:19 [JR]
Action CL: Consult with Aaron L about 9.5 to ensure it is ok with AJAX.
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JR: Describes how ATAG handles this -uses phrase "ensure that selection is separate from activation "
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CL: HPR implementation did not take into account "highlighting" note
18:19:27 [JR]
CL: Pop-up menus didn't come up etc
18:20:17 [cklaws]
http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox
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CL: User informed of pop-up menu and the menu is shown when enter is pressed
18:20:21 [cklaws]
http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox
18:24:47 [JR]
CL: There are tri-state controls
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CL: There are also checkboxes in trees....
18:28:14 [JR]
JR: Not is untenable since UA doesn't know which these are ("Note: For instance, in this configuration for an HTML document, do not activate any handlers for the onfocus, onblur, or onchange attributes. In this configuration, user agents should still apply any stylistic changes (e.g., highlighting) that may occur when there is a change in content focus.
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")
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JA: Example techs don't cover what note covers.
18:29:21 [JR]
JA: But style changes are useful.
18:30:02 [JR]
JA: How to you separate event activations from style activations
18:31:51 [JR]
JA: Tested - use TAB to move to group - no change of state - but if down arrow it immediately moves selection.
18:32:30 [JR]
JR: Which is a violation.
18:34:31 [JR]
JR: What if we removed the note? And relied on the UA to draw its own highlighting?
18:35:18 [JR]
JA,CL: Discuss how HTML radio buttons are organized into groups...
18:40:17 [JR]
CL: Goal of DHTML is to have ontrols work the way they do in dialogs (eg one radio button always checked) not as in HTML (where initially you can have none checked)
18:40:57 [JR]
JA: So where are we?
18:41:08 [JR]
CL: Events on DHTML controls
18:43:30 [JR]
JR: And the "note" remains problematic.
18:44:05 [JR]
CL: UA looks at role attrib to know that a form control is such
18:44:36 [JR]
Topic: 9.3 Move content focus (P1)
18:45:29 [JR]
JA: Comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0014.html
18:45:47 [JR]
JA: Tech5 - add "outline" property to the list
18:49:41 [JR]
JR: We might want to add an example of a general-purpose hierarchy naviagation function.
18:50:11 [JR]
JA: This will beome issue in XHTML2, where everything is a link etc.
18:51:13 [JR]
CL: In HTML a link can have image and text that both go to the same place.
18:51:46 [JR]
JA: In training tell people to do this.
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CL: THis causes problems for UA.
18:53:14 [JR]
JA: Have to be careful about text, alt text flow
18:56:06 [JR]
JA: Also had "moving by headers"
18:57:15 [JR]
JR: Also would like to split tech3 into two clauses
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JA: Let's wrasp up - 9.4 next time
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-cklaws
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-Jan_Richards
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-parente
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-Jim_Allan
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, parente, cklaws
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-minutes.html JR
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: CL to Consult with Aaron L about 9.5 to ensure it is ok with AJAX. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-irc#T18-14-19