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15:01:58 <eneumann> rrsaget, set minutes to public
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15:02:20 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'set minutes to publi', eneumann.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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15:02:43 <eneumann> zakim, set minutes to public
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15:04:59 <Don> Hi Bill...I leave for Neuroscience in a couple of hours...hope to see you there!
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15:06:40 <eneumann> zakim, who's here
15:06:40 <Zakim> eneumann, you need to end that query with '?'
15:06:49 <eneumann> zakim, who's here?
15:06:49 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I don't know what conference this is
15:06:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see jim, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don
15:07:55 <vipul> Can someone paste the URL here?
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15:08:05 <tslater> Eric -> action items from Amsterdam
15:10:10 <jim> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/Actions 
15:11:04 <tslater> Eric -> no formal decision has been made by this group on LSIDs vs. URIs
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15:12:56 <eneumann> q?
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15:15:02 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/BioRDFBIONT?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=BioRDF-BIONT.ppt
15:17:16 <tslater> Vipul -> use of PubChem in Parkinson's use case is that it has MeSH annotations, links to all the ligands associated with the disease.
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15:21:03 <tslater> NCBCs had a discussion trying to fix on "knowledge sources" that they'll normalize for their own use.
15:21:35 <tslater> one major issue is whether these computing centers should move to RDF or not
15:21:49 <tslater> is there guidance HCLS can provide?
15:22:28 <tslater> Bill Bug has some close associations with Daniel Reuben, Director of CBIO
15:23:04 <tslater> Eric says it's up to us, not them, to provide a demonstration that RDF etc. actually work.
15:25:05 <eneumann> zakim, who's here
15:25:05 <Zakim> eneumann, you need to end that query with '?'
15:25:11 <eneumann> zakim, who's here?
15:25:11 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I don't know what conference this is
15:25:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel, Sean, jim, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don
15:25:29 <eneumann> zakim, this is hcls
15:25:29 <Zakim> ok, eneumann; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
15:25:31 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
15:25:58 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
15:27:00 <tslater> Vipul -> wants to get a demo and recommendations for best practices in 2007
15:27:50 <tslater> Eric suggested decreasing the scope of all of what Vipul's suggesting.
15:28:30 <jim> sorry - gtg
15:28:34 <Zakim> -[Merck]
15:29:47 <tslater> Susie -> BioRDF update
15:31:07 <tslater> Alan -> "mini-hackathon" report
15:31:23 <tslater> tried to merge the SenseLab and the cocodat(?) datasets
15:31:35 <tslater> mistakes in file formats were picked up by the reasoner
15:31:43 <BillBug> Daniel's of NCBO is Daniel Rubin
15:31:52 <tslater> thanks, Bill
15:32:25 <tslater> Alan also saw performace problems with KIDD
15:32:29 <eneumann> zakim, who's here?
15:33:55 <eneumann> zakim, who is here?
15:33:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sean, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don
15:33:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Doherty, +1.860.441.aaaa, EricM, Davide_Zaccagnini, Tanya_Hongsermeier, Bill_Bug, ??P54, ??P60, Alan_Ruttenberg
15:35:34 <BillBug> The URL for the NCBC discussion of biomed. ontology recommendations for NCBCs is at http://na-mic.org/Wiki/index.php/SDIWG:_NCBC_Scientific_Ontologies.  I don't know what the status recommendation is.  The last post were following up to the NCBC AHM back in July.
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15:37:27 <tslater> People are historically very focussed on terms, but the focus really needs to be on the definitions of those terms.
15:37:51 <tslater> Problems have been with no definitions, too many definitions, conflicting definitions.
15:39:21 <tslater> Susie volunteered to coordinate the collaborative calls for BioRDF
15:39:35 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
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15:40:27 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
15:40:33 <vipul> Susie... when do you think we should schedule the collaborative call?
15:41:17 <tslater> Eric -> other actitivies around clinical data standards: CDISC is one
15:41:19 <vipul> Do let us know some alternatives and whether you would like to keep it every alternate week?
15:41:54 <tslater> CDISC have a tabulation model, but no ontology development per se going on
15:42:17 <tslater> CDISC have no support for biomarkers (other problems?)
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15:43:21 <tslater> The demo being specified for DSE will be around SDTM standards
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15:46:01 <tslater> Ted said that there is fresh interest, at least at Pfizer, in these standards, and in W3C standards,
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15:46:13 <tslater> with some interest in investment in this area
15:46:33 <Zakim> -Davide_Zaccagnini
15:47:02 <tslater> There were several (many?) occasions where we couldn't hear the speakers on the phone because people who were not speaking were not muting their phones.
15:47:10 <tslater> Please remember to mute your phone when you're not speaking.
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15:48:44 <eneumann> q?
15:49:00 <tslater> Eric -> make working drafts and other information available to the group earlier rather than later
15:49:47 <tslater> Eric says that the next call will be 26 Oct.
15:50:11 <tslater> Eric would like to get specific updates on demos, etc., from each activity since the last teleconference.
15:50:31 <tslater> These should be brief, 5-10 minutes long.
15:51:13 <Zakim> -??P60
15:51:14 <Zakim> -Bill_Bug
15:51:15 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
15:51:16 <Zakim> -EricM
15:51:17 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
15:51:19 <Zakim> -Tanya_Hongsermeier
15:51:21 <Zakim> -??P54
15:51:24 <tslater> Eric also would like information made available online for the workshop at Iswick coming up in about 3 weeks.
15:51:25 <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:51:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-HCLS-minutes.html eneumann
15:51:29 <BillBug> bye all!
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15:51:45 <tslater> see you later!
15:51:52 <tslater> ?
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15:53:53 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
15:53:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Don_Doherty, +1.860.441.aaaa, EricM, Davide_Zaccagnini, Tanya_Hongsermeier, Bill_Bug, [Merck], Sean_Martin, Alan_Ruttenberg
15:54:16 <BillBug> Please note comment I made on this NCBC ontology thread regarding small molecules at bottom of - http://na-mic.org/Wiki/index.php/PrelimResultsSOWG1