IRC log of HCLS on 2006-10-12

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-HCLS-irc

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15:01:58 [eneumann]

rrsaget, set minutes to public

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set minutes to public

15:02:20 [eneumann]

rrsagent, set minutes to publi

15:02:20 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'set minutes to publi', eneumann. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:02:32 [eneumann]

rrsagent, set minutes to public

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'set minutes to public', eneumann. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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zakim, set minutes to public

15:02:43 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'set minutes to public', eneumann

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rrsagent, set logs public

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15:04:59 [Don]

Hi Bill...I leave for Neuroscience in a couple of hours...hope to see you there!

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15:06:40 [eneumann]

zakim, who's here

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eneumann, you need to end that query with '?'

15:06:49 [eneumann]

zakim, who's here?

15:06:49 [Zakim]

sorry, eneumann, I don't know what conference this is

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On IRC I see jim, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don

15:07:55 [vipul]

Can someone paste the URL here?

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Eric -> action items from Amsterdam

15:10:10 [jim]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/Actions

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Eric -> no formal decision has been made by this group on LSIDs vs. URIs

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15:12:56 [eneumann]

q?

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15:15:02 [vipul]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/BioRDFBIONT?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=BioRDF-BIONT.ppt

15:17:16 [tslater]

Vipul -> use of PubChem in Parkinson's use case is that it has MeSH annotations, links to all the ligands associated with the disease.

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15:21:03 [tslater]

NCBCs had a discussion trying to fix on "knowledge sources" that they'll normalize for their own use.

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one major issue is whether these computing centers should move to RDF or not

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is there guidance HCLS can provide?

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Bill Bug has some close associations with Daniel Reuben, Director of CBIO

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Eric says it's up to us, not them, to provide a demonstration that RDF etc. actually work.

15:25:05 [eneumann]

zakim, who's here

15:25:05 [Zakim]

eneumann, you need to end that query with '?'

15:25:11 [eneumann]

zakim, who's here?

15:25:11 [Zakim]

sorry, eneumann, I don't know what conference this is

15:25:12 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Daniel, Sean, jim, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don

15:25:29 [eneumann]

zakim, this is hcls

15:25:29 [Zakim]

ok, eneumann; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM

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-Alan_Ruttenberg

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+Alan_Ruttenberg

15:27:00 [tslater]

Vipul -> wants to get a demo and recommendations for best practices in 2007

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Eric suggested decreasing the scope of all of what Vipul's suggesting.

15:28:30 [jim]

sorry - gtg

15:28:34 [Zakim]

-[Merck]

15:29:47 [tslater]

Susie -> BioRDF update

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Alan -> "mini-hackathon" report

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tried to merge the SenseLab and the cocodat(?) datasets

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mistakes in file formats were picked up by the reasoner

15:31:43 [BillBug]

Daniel's of NCBO is Daniel Rubin

15:31:52 [tslater]

thanks, Bill

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Alan also saw performace problems with KIDD

15:32:29 [eneumann]

zakim, who's here?

15:33:55 [eneumann]

zakim, who is here?

15:33:57 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sean, mscottm, vipul, BillBug, tslater, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, Don

15:33:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Don_Doherty, +1.860.441.aaaa, EricM, Davide_Zaccagnini, Tanya_Hongsermeier, Bill_Bug, ??P54, ??P60, Alan_Ruttenberg

15:35:34 [BillBug]

The URL for the NCBC discussion of biomed. ontology recommendations for NCBCs is at http://na-mic.org/Wiki/index.php/SDIWG:_NCBC_Scientific_Ontologies. I don't know what the status recommendation is. The last post were following up to the NCBC AHM back in July.

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15:37:27 [tslater]

People are historically very focussed on terms, but the focus really needs to be on the definitions of those terms.

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Problems have been with no definitions, too many definitions, conflicting definitions.

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Susie volunteered to coordinate the collaborative calls for BioRDF

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-Alan_Ruttenberg

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+Alan_Ruttenberg

15:40:33 [vipul]

Susie... when do you think we should schedule the collaborative call?

15:41:17 [tslater]

Eric -> other actitivies around clinical data standards: CDISC is one

15:41:19 [vipul]

Do let us know some alternatives and whether you would like to keep it every alternate week?

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CDISC have a tabulation model, but no ontology development per se going on

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CDISC have no support for biomarkers (other problems?)

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The demo being specified for DSE will be around SDTM standards

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Ted said that there is fresh interest, at least at Pfizer, in these standards, and in W3C standards,

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with some interest in investment in this area

15:46:33 [Zakim]

-Davide_Zaccagnini

15:47:02 [tslater]

There were several (many?) occasions where we couldn't hear the speakers on the phone because people who were not speaking were not muting their phones.

15:47:10 [tslater]

Please remember to mute your phone when you're not speaking.

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15:48:44 [eneumann]

q?

15:49:00 [tslater]

Eric -> make working drafts and other information available to the group earlier rather than later

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Eric says that the next call will be 26 Oct.

15:50:11 [tslater]

Eric would like to get specific updates on demos, etc., from each activity since the last teleconference.

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These should be brief, 5-10 minutes long.

15:51:13 [Zakim]

-??P60

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-Bill_Bug

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-Alan_Ruttenberg

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-EricM

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-Don_Doherty

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-Tanya_Hongsermeier

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-??P54

15:51:24 [tslater]

Eric also would like information made available online for the workshop at Iswick coming up in about 3 weeks.

15:51:25 [eneumann]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-HCLS-minutes.html eneumann

15:51:29 [BillBug]

bye all!

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15:51:45 [tslater]

see you later!

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?

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- +1.860.441.aaaa

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SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Don_Doherty, +1.860.441.aaaa, EricM, Davide_Zaccagnini, Tanya_Hongsermeier, Bill_Bug, [Merck], Sean_Martin, Alan_Ruttenberg

15:54:16 [BillBug]

Please note comment I made on this NCBC ontology thread regarding small molecules at bottom of - http://na-mic.org/Wiki/index.php/PrelimResultsSOWG1