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14:40:16 <ivan> Meeting: HCLS IG Telco
14:40:30 <ivan> Chairs: Eric Neumann and Tonya Hongsermeier
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15:00:45 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
15:00:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:00:57 <Zakim> +??P16
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15:03:07 <tslater> ted can't join the audio today.
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15:04:34 <Marja> Tanya said she is at the airport too
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15:05:21 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:05:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.794.aaaa, ??P17, Ivan, ??P16, +1.650.283.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +7.476.69.aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, Tanya_Hongsermeier, +1.519.498.aadd
15:05:23 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
15:05:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tonya, vipul, tslater, sstephen, Sean, Marja, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan
15:05:34 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P17 (4%), Vipul_Kashyap (47%), Tanya_Hongsermeier (19%), +1.519.498.aadd (20%)
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15:05:56 <Sean> zakim, +1.617.794.aaaa is Sean 
15:05:56 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
15:06:12 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
15:06:15 <Zakim> +??P49
15:06:23 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (48%), Ivan (39%), Vipul_Kashyap (43%), Tanya_Hongsermeier (45%)
15:06:35 <ivan> zakim, P49 is scott
15:06:35 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P49'
15:06:48 <ivan> zakim, ??P49 is Scott
15:06:48 <Zakim> +Scott; got it
15:07:21 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:07:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sean, ??P17, Ivan, ??P16, +1.650.283.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +7.476.69.aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, Tanya_Hongsermeier, +1.519.498.aadd, Scott
15:07:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see mscottm, Tonya, vipul, tslater, sstephen, Sean, Marja, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan
15:07:43 <ivan> present: susie, helen, 
15:08:00 <Zakim> - +7.476.69.aacc
15:08:17 <Zakim> +Marja
15:08:25 <ivan> present: aj
15:08:36 <ivan> tonya: no new persons on the call
15:08:48 <ivan> ... agenda is the f2f agenda in october
15:09:17 <ivan> ... there is a proposal in the http://www.w3.org/mid/F2F92B1BD5EABC4EA6ECB96CD2EE8786021DCD61@PHSXMB1.partners.org
15:09:42 <ivan> ... I would like the TF-s to feed back, who will be there from the tf-s, who will represent and what will be the goal
15:09:47 <ivan> ... susie, you sent me some notes
15:10:03 <ivan> .. .where everybody brings their rdf data and you try to bind them together
15:10:12 <ivan> ... also a uri resolution for ontologies from alan
15:10:26 <ivan> ... for the bio ontology who wil be there?
15:10:34 <ivan> vipul: helen will be there
15:10:52 <ivan> ... we will having a meeting next week, and we should have it by then
15:11:03 <ivan> tanya: if you do break out session?
15:11:10 <Zakim> +Bill_Bug
15:11:35 <ivan> vipul: we need to discuss a discussion with the biordf group, look at their datasets and decide which one can populate an ontology
15:12:26 <ivan> tanya: susie, do you want to comment on vipul's proposal
15:12:43 <ivan> susie: I would also like to hear from the other tf-s to see and hear what they do
15:12:51 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:13:08 <ivan> tanya: so probably after some intros and establishement of the goals we will need a 10-15 minutes updates from the task forces
15:13:16 <ivan> ... is that o.k.?
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15:13:33 <ivan> susie: yes, we can also talk about the areas we want to cooperate in
15:14:17 <ivan> ... having too much break out sessions would not be o.k. because people want to work with others
15:15:51 <ivan> tonya: instead of calling break out session, we should rather have joint collaboration sessions
15:16:10 <ivan> ... likewise, there is a lot of work between protocol and biont groups
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15:16:34 <ivan> ... it would be good if each tf would propose efforts, collaboration topics for the f2f 'break-in' sessions
15:17:13 <ivan> susie: we are interested in the ontologies, for us it would be very useful, their conversion to rdf
15:17:43 <ivan> vipul: one thing: we would a collaboratively mapping session with the biordf
15:17:54 <ivan> ... the initial info sharing is obviously important
15:18:07 <ivan> ... also, between ourselves and aptt group
15:18:55 <ivan> helen: two people from agfa will be there, we will have a good group
15:19:04 <ivan> ... i would like a session on the health care domain ontology
15:19:09 <BillBug> The demos on the BIOONT seed ontology page using the PaTO Phenotype formalism could provide an excellent systematic approach to use when doing joint BIOONT BioRDF mapping at the meeting.
15:19:13 <ivan> ... mentioneing hl7 and gallon
15:19:20 <Zakim> + +1.412.683.aaee
15:19:41 <ivan> ...  what health care domain ontologies would really mean, which part of hl7 would be useful for us
15:19:51 <chimezie> http://www.opengalen.org/open/crm/
15:20:10 <BillBug> It would also be commensurate with the approach being recommended by both the OBO Foundry and the National Center for Biomed. Ontology.
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15:20:16 <ivan> ... we have a bunch a discussion, a session on health care domain ontology, what context we look at
15:20:32 <ivan> vipul: have you use cases to drive that exersize?
15:20:51 <ivan> helen: I will send it to you (I do not have my compure now)
15:21:11 <ivan> ... I am pretty sure there will be scenarios to evaluate the usefullness
15:21:27 <ivan> vipul: maybe we could take a good scenario and work on that together
15:22:16 <ivan> tonya: we also have to be clear what we are talking about
15:22:45 <ivan> ... is there a listing of the kind of use cases that cross all three of the task forces?
15:23:19 <ivan> vipul: we started the exersize with the parkinson use case, but we are concentraing on the celular aspect
15:23:37 <ivan> ... but helen may have more interesting requirements and we could incorporate those
15:23:52 <ivan> helen: we have three use cases and we will have to work on how to make them more clear
15:24:06 <ivan> vipul: if you looked at the parkinson use case?
15:24:21 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ParkinsonUseCase
15:24:33 <ivan> ericn: tonya and I will work on collecting use cases on the wiki, and 
15:24:50 <vipul> This is the URL for the Parkinson Use Case
15:24:57 <ivan> ... that will help on deciding what the use cases are
15:25:26 <ivan> ... we should also have the drug and effi. task force; I will have a phone call tomorrow with them
15:25:35 <ivan> ... they should be involved as well
15:25:44 <chimezie> Stroke Management ACPP usecase: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HclsigDscussionTopics/HclsSubGroupACPP/Stroke
15:26:20 <vipul> Chimezie is it possible to identify similarities at the informatics level with the Parkinson's Disease Use Case?
15:26:28 <chimezie> ACC/AHA Guideline Usecase (Myocardial Infarction): http://www.acc.org/clinical/guidelines/stemi/exec%5Fsumm/index.htm#top
15:26:50 <chimezie> I would think so.  
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15:27:00 <ivan> tonya: anyone from the sci publishing group?
15:27:07 <ivan> aj: I will not be in amsterdam
15:27:26 <ivan> ... i tried to figure who would be interested working with me, and this did not lead to anybody:-(
15:27:49 <ivan> tonya: let us consentrate on the three tf-s on this call
15:28:02 <ivan> ... is there any other collaboration topic that we could add to the list?
15:28:14 <ivan> ... we have presentation, and then break-in sessions
15:28:22 <ivan> ... is that o.k. for day 1?
15:28:46 <ivan> tonya: for day 2, we propose that at some point the different tf-s have to present their progress on the previous day
15:28:46 <vipul> Helen and Chimezie, should we set up a time to figure out overlap?
15:28:50 <ivan> ... does this make sense?
15:28:51 <chimezie> ACC/AHA Guideline Usecase (Coronary Artery Bypass Graft Indications): http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/83/3/1125.pdf
15:29:14 <ivan> susie: how much time will have?
15:29:25 <ivan> ... maybe time at the end of the 2nd day for the reports
15:29:26 <chimezie> vipul: I don't know if helen is on irc, but it sounds like a good idea
15:29:52 <ivan> tonya: to day2 morning will be break-in, reports in the afternoon
15:30:13 <ivan> helen: everyone would have a 1-2 page slide on the discussions
15:30:26 <ivan> ... you can produce 1-2 pages on what the key points are
15:30:35 <ivan> ... that would be useful
15:30:42 <vipul> Could you and helen join in BIONT, Tuesday, 19th Sept?
15:30:49 <ivan> tonya: that is for the reporting
15:30:59 <ivan> susie, vipul: sounds good
15:31:04 <vipul> When is the ACPP TCon
15:31:07 <vipul> ?
15:31:23 <chimezie> Tuesdays' @ 3:00pm EST
15:31:38 <ivan> tonya: so an opening session, another session for each task force present their goals, and then a series of sessions 
15:31:50 <chimezie> vipul: could you shoot an email to that effect.  I'll be sure to attend?
15:32:11 <vipul> Sure ...
15:32:13 <ivan> ... then having 'hack points', where things could be hacked together
15:33:06 <ivan> helen: what does susie want to do with the ontologies I would bring
15:33:16 <ivan> vipul: mapping the ontology to data sources
15:33:33 <ivan> helen: but in our case we do not have data for those ontologies
15:34:10 <ivan> susie: our group converted lots of data to rdf, but it would also make sense to look at how these data set can be mapped on ontologies
15:34:41 <ivan> tonya: helen, could think on some corresponding activities for the acpp group for the second day
15:35:07 <ivan> susie: there is also the uri issue
15:35:23 <ivan> vipul: it would be a great use for the groups to understand lsid
15:35:43 <ivan> susie: when i revise the agenda suggestion, i will send it to the whole group
15:36:06 <ivan> ... for the uri discussion we are not really sure where people usually use
15:36:19 <ivan> ... collect the various statements and what people believe they are
15:36:26 <ivan> ... i will send out an email
15:37:27 <mscottm> ivan: your voice just dropped off 
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15:38:12 <ivan> ivan: it would be good if the tf-s would have a goal on what they want publish and when
15:38:39 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:38:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sean, ??P17, Ivan, ??P16, +1.650.283.aabb, Vipul_Kashyap, Tanya_Hongsermeier, +1.519.498.aadd, Scott, Marja, Bill_Bug, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.412.683.aaee
15:38:51 <ivan> sean: will there be a facility to dial in
15:38:54 <ivan> ?
15:39:25 <Don_> I am the 1.412.683.aaee
15:39:38 <chimezie> Zakim: 1.412.683.aaee is Don_
15:39:45 <chimezie> Zakim, 1.412.683.aaee is Don_
15:39:45 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '1.412.683.aaee'
15:39:59 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.412.683.aaee is Don_
15:39:59 <Zakim> +Don_; got it
15:41:07 <ivan> next meeting should be the 28th
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15:42:10 <Zakim> -Sean
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15:46:07 <BillBug> bye
15:46:14 <chimezie> goodbye
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15:46:24 <tslater> by
15:46:25 <tslater> bye
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15:52:38 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:52:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +1.650.283.aabb, Eric_Neumann, +7.476.69.aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, Tanya_Hongsermeier, +1.519.498.aadd, Sean, Scott, Marja, Bill_Bug, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Don_
15:52:45 <ivan> zakim, bye
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15:52:57 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-hcls-minutes.html ivan
15:53:04 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:53:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items