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14:56:30 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:56:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/04-rif-minutes.html sandro
14:57:21 <Harold> Harold has joined #rif
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14:59:18 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
14:59:25 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:59:59 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:00:12 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me.
15:00:13 <Zakim> +Stan_Devitt
15:00:14 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
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15:00:36 <Zakim> +DavidHirtle
15:00:42 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
15:00:55 <Zakim> +PaulaP
15:01:06 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
15:01:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), MoZ
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15:01:23 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
15:01:42 <Zakim> + +1.705.756.aaaa
15:01:47 <csma> Zakim, topic is '4 July Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jul/0000.html'
15:01:47 <Zakim> I don't understand you, csma
15:01:57 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
15:02:02 <Zakim> +??P0
15:02:39 <MoZ> Zakim, who is here?
15:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Harold, Stan_Devitt (muted), DavidHirtle, PaulaP (muted), +1.705.756.aaaa, Axel_Polleres (muted), ??P0
15:02:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see AxelPolleres, MoZ, MarkusK, csma, PaulaP, StanDevitt, Harold, RRSAgent, DavidHirtle, Zakim, sandro, trackbot, Keep
15:02:57 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #rif
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15:03:07 <Zakim> +Christian
15:03:16 <csma> zakim, christian is me
15:03:16 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:03:18 <MoZ> MoZ has changed the topic to: 4 July Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jul/0000.html
15:03:31 <Zakim> +??P9
15:03:32 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was ??P9)
15:04:17 <Zakim> +??P11
15:04:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:39 <johnhall> johnhall has joined #rif
15:06:14 <Zakim> +??P8
15:06:43 <Donald_Chapin> Donald_Chapin has joined #rif
15:06:58 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:06:58 <Zakim> sorry, Donald_Chapin, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
15:07:45 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
15:07:45 <Zakim> sorry, Donald_Chapin, I do not see a party named 'Donald_Chapin'
15:07:52 <MoZ> Zakim, [ipcaller is Donald_Chapin 
15:07:52 <Zakim> sorry, MoZ, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller'
15:07:56 <Zakim> -??P8
15:08:04 <JeffP> I can give it a try
15:08:09 <csma> zakim, take a victim
15:08:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take a victim', csma
15:08:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:46 <Zakim> +Donald_Chapin (was [IPcaller])
15:09:05 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
15:09:05 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should now be muted
15:09:08 <JeffP> csma: Next Meeting: 11 July 2006
15:09:13 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:09:28 <AxelPolleres> ... to accept the minutes
15:09:29 <JeffP> PROPOSED: accept minutes of June 27 meeting
15:09:36 <MoZ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jun/0182.html
15:10:00 <JeffP> csma: minutes accepted
15:10:46 <sandro> RESOLVED: accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jun/0182.html as minutes of June 27 meeting
15:10:51 <JeffP> csma: Agenda amendments?
15:10:59 <JeffP> ... no
15:11:02 <johnhall> Can't connect to phone - says 74394# is invalid
15:11:15 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
15:11:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), sandro
15:11:19 <JeffP> Action review [http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/products/4]
15:11:24 <Zakim> -??P0
15:11:27 <sandro> very very strange, johnhall.   :-(
15:11:31 <JeffP> csma: any comments?
15:11:45 <JeffP> 3. Liaison 
15:12:11 <JeffP> Action review [http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/products/3]
15:12:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:27 <johnhall> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:12:27 <Zakim> +johnhall; got it
15:12:35 <Zakim> +??P13
15:12:36 <sandro> csma: Action about PRR draft still open becuase I haven't checked with Fair Isaac
15:12:42 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, unmute me
15:12:42 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should no longer be muted
15:12:51 <AxelPolleres> Is SPARQL connected with some action item?
15:12:52 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
15:12:52 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
15:12:55 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
15:13:07 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: csma (8%), Donald_Chapin (82%), +1.705.756.aaaa (4%)
15:13:15 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
15:13:15 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should now be muted
15:13:19 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
15:13:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Harold, Stan_Devitt (muted), DavidHirtle, PaulaP (muted), +1.705.756.aaaa, Axel_Polleres (muted), csma, Dave_Reynolds, JeffP, MarkusK (muted),
15:13:22 <Zakim> ... Donald_Chapin (muted), johnhall (muted), ??P13
15:13:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Donald_Chapin, johnhall, JeffP, DaveReynolds, AxelPolleres, MoZ, MarkusK, csma, PaulaP, StanDevitt, Harold, RRSAgent, DavidHirtle, Zakim, sandro, trackbot, Keep
15:13:29 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:13:38 <JeffP> csma: nothing new on Liaison
15:14:10 <sandro> Zakim, aaaa is PFPS
15:14:10 <Zakim> +PFPS; got it
15:14:17 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
15:14:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Harold, Stan_Devitt (muted), DavidHirtle, PaulaP (muted), PFPS, Axel_Polleres (muted), csma, Dave_Reynolds, JeffP, MarkusK (muted), Donald_Chapin
15:14:20 <Zakim> ... (muted), johnhall (muted), ??P13
15:14:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Donald_Chapin, johnhall, JeffP, DaveReynolds, AxelPolleres, MoZ, MarkusK, csma, PaulaP, StanDevitt, Harold, RRSAgent, DavidHirtle, Zakim, sandro, trackbot, Keep
15:14:54 <JeffP> Action: csma and Chris Welty to solve the SPARQL liaison problem
15:14:54 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:15:54 <sandro> zakim, P13 is MoZ 
15:15:54 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'
15:15:57 <csma> ack axel
15:16:00 <sandro> zakim, ?P13 is MoZ 
15:16:00 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '?P13'
15:16:01 <csma> ack moz
15:16:05 <sandro> zakim, ??P13 is MoZ 
15:16:05 <Zakim> +MoZ; got it
15:16:09 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
15:16:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Harold, Stan_Devitt (muted), DavidHirtle, PaulaP (muted), PFPS, Axel_Polleres, csma, Dave_Reynolds, JeffP, MarkusK (muted), Donald_Chapin (muted),
15:16:11 <csma> ack ??p13
15:16:13 <Zakim> ... johnhall (muted), MoZ
15:16:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Donald_Chapin, johnhall, JeffP, DaveReynolds, AxelPolleres, MoZ, MarkusK, csma, PaulaP, StanDevitt, Harold, RRSAgent, DavidHirtle, Zakim, sandro, trackbot, Keep
15:16:18 <MoZ> q-
15:16:29 <JeffP> 4. Use Cases and Requirements 
15:16:38 <JeffP> Review actions [http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/products/6]
15:17:23 <AxelPolleres> regrets on behalf of JosDeBruijn
15:17:41 <AxelPolleres> I substitute for DERI
15:18:01 <JeffP> csma: Is the action on JosDB done?
15:18:02 <AxelPolleres> I think continued
15:18:32 <DavidHirtle> latest draft (I believe):
15:18:35 <DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/ucr/draft-20060628
15:18:38 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:18:48 <JeffP> csma: any comments on UC&R?
15:18:50 <DaveReynolds> q+
15:19:00 <JeffP> ... Dave sent an email on this
15:19:57 <DavidHirtle> s/Dave/David
15:22:08 <PaulaP> +1 to remove the link to the CSF and keep the requirement
15:22:37 <DaveReynolds> Suggest leaving in the CSF, update the diagram to match, leave the other CSF's for future iterations
15:23:12 <JeffP> csma: anyone support remove the requirement altogether?
15:23:18 <JeffP> ... no reply
15:24:15 <StanD> StanD has joined #rif
15:24:21 <JeffP> csma: two options, one from Paula the other from DaveR
15:25:43 <StanD> +1 for change diagram
15:25:53 <JeffP> csma: we can ask Frank to change that
15:26:20 <JeffP> csma: anyone object?
15:26:29 <JeffP> ... no reply
15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:26:47 <JeffP> Action: csma to ack Frank to do the modification
15:26:47 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:27:33 <csma> ack axel
15:28:46 <JeffP> AxelP: shall we add a note in the XML requirement?
15:29:13 <DavidHirtle> +1 to Dave
15:29:26 <JeffP> DaveR: we need some mechanism to track things we want to do after the release
15:29:30 <AxelPolleres> +1 to make open issues visible.
15:29:43 <JeffP> sandro: it is more of a design issue
15:30:04 <JeffP> DaveR: A wiki page can do the job
15:30:36 <csma> q?
15:30:46 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:30:50 <PaulaP> q+
15:31:07 <csma> ack daver
15:32:36 <JeffP> DaveR: three items on the todo list
15:32:54 <JeffP> ... one on UC 2.5
15:33:04 <JeffP> csma: David
15:33:08 <MoZ> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:33:19 <Zakim> MoZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PaulaP (19%), Dave_Reynolds (89%)
15:33:27 <csma> q?
15:33:46 <MoZ> Zakim, mute PaulaP
15:33:46 <Zakim> PaulaP should now be muted
15:34:00 <JeffP> Action on DavidH to add the three items to the consider/document issue list
15:34:22 <JeffP> Action: on DavidH to add the three items to the consider/document issue list
15:34:22 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:34:28 <csma> ack axel
15:35:25 <DaveReynolds> +1 the "to consider list" is small scale and leave in Wiki rather than confuse document
15:36:16 <AxelPolleres> +1 if we add a reference to the to be considered list
15:36:23 <csma> q?
15:36:33 <csma> ack paulap
15:36:44 <DavidHirtle> I noticed that too, Paula
15:36:54 <JeffP> PaulaP: the requirement is not clean
15:37:16 <JeffP> ... under interoperability
15:37:19 <DaveReynolds> Yes, should be linked in I think
15:38:28 <JeffP> csma: we agreed to remove it from the diagram
15:39:11 <JeffP> Action: on Frank to remove the complain models, requirement from the interoperability diagram
15:39:11 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:39:25 <DavidHirtle> q+
15:40:03 <csma> ack david
15:40:15 <JeffP> csma: other comments on the doc?
15:40:22 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:40:28 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, unmute me
15:40:28 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should no longer be muted
15:40:31 <Donald_Chapin> q+
15:41:09 <JeffP> AxelP: some minor issues that I can send to the mailing list
15:43:09 <AxelPolleres> Action: Axel to send a list with small edits by tomorrow night
15:43:09 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:43:18 <JeffP> Action: AxelP to email the list per some small edit for the doc by July 5
15:43:18 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:44:35 <AxelPolleres> Action: Axel to send another mail with issues "to be considered" and add it to the wiki within 2 weeks
15:44:37 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:44:37 <csma> ack don
15:44:52 <AxelPolleres> q-
15:45:21 <AxelPolleres> Can someone paste the URL of the issues list?
15:45:36 <DavidHirtle> new issues list:
15:45:37 <DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Document_issues
15:45:50 <DavidHirtle> old issues list:
15:45:57 <DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/WD-DC (section 2)
15:46:04 <sandro> I assume we're not talking about: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open
15:46:14 <DavidHirtle> q+
15:47:17 <DavidHirtle> q-
15:47:20 <JeffP> csma: it is not easily accessable
15:47:25 <PaulaP> q+
15:47:25 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
15:47:25 <csma> q?
15:47:26 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should now be muted
15:47:30 <JeffP> ... other comments?
15:48:46 <Zakim> -StanDevitt
15:49:15 <JeffP> csma: I wll send an email to the list about the consider list
15:49:22 <JeffP> ... for the details
15:50:19 <PaulaP> yes, it is clear
15:51:33 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:51:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Harold, DavidHirtle, PaulaP (muted), PFPS, Axel_Polleres (muted), csma, Dave_Reynolds, JeffP, MarkusK (muted), Donald_Chapin (muted), johnhall (muted),
15:51:37 <Zakim> ... MoZ
15:51:37 <JeffP> csma: resolution: the WG will publish the public draft of UCR with no other modification than the ones that we just discussed
15:51:55 <sandro> that is:
15:52:05 <JeffP> csma: who is in favour of the resolution?
15:52:12 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:52:16 <sandro> PROPOSED:  publish the public draft of UCR with no other modification than the ones that we just agreed to
15:52:32 <sandro> Sandro/W3C YES
15:52:45 <sandro> Harold/NCR YES
15:52:47 <MoZ> MoZ/Innovimax YES
15:52:53 <PaulaP> Paula/REWERSE - YES
15:53:18 <sandro> PFPS/Bolzano YES
15:53:27 <JeffP> AxelP: is there a timeline for the next version?
15:53:36 <JeffP> csma: between 3-6 months
15:53:50 <johnhall> zakim, unmute me
15:53:50 <Zakim> johnhall should no longer be muted
15:54:02 <sandro> Axel/DERI_Innsbruck: YES
15:54:11 <MarkusK> MarkusK/FZI YES
15:54:34 <AxelPolleres> comment: we should not again postpone comments over more than one iteration
15:54:59 <DaveReynolds> Dave Reynolds/HP YES
15:55:00 <sandro> CSMA(with ILOG Hat)/ILOG: YES
15:55:19 <sandro> Jeff Pan / Aberdeen: YES
15:55:20 <JeffP> JeffP/ABDN YES
15:55:30 <Donald_Chapin> Donald/OMG YES
15:55:47 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
15:55:47 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
15:56:09 <JeffP> csma: resolution adapted
15:56:25 <JeffP> DavidH/NCR YES
15:56:29 <sandro> RESOLVED:  publish the public draft of UCR with no other modification than the ones that we just agreed to
15:56:59 <PaulaP> no urgent issues
15:57:02 <JeffP> csma: AOB?
15:57:06 <sandro> (David Hirtle is the alternate for NRC.)
15:57:14 <PaulaP> +1
15:57:16 <sandro> +1 adjourn
15:57:23 <JeffP> +1
15:57:23 <AxelPolleres> +1 
15:57:27 <PaulaP> bye
15:57:30 <Zakim> -MoZ
15:57:34 <Zakim> -MarkusK
15:57:36 <Zakim> -Harold
15:57:37 <Zakim> -PaulaP
15:57:37 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
15:57:40 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
15:57:41 <Zakim> -johnhall
15:57:42 <Zakim> -Donald_Chapin
15:57:42 <Zakim> -PFPS
15:57:48 <Zakim> -DavidHirtle
15:57:54 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/04-rif-minutes.html sandro
15:58:11 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
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16:01:03 <Zakim> -JeffP
16:01:13 <Zakim> -csma
16:01:15 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:01:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, Stan_Devitt, Harold, DavidHirtle, Axel_Polleres, PaulaP, +1.705.756.aaaa, csma, Dave_Reynolds, JeffP, MarkusK, Donald_Chapin, johnhall, PFPS, MoZ, StanDevitt