IRC log of htmltf on 2006-05-15

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12:59:36 [RalphS]

Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0013.html

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RalphS has changed the topic to: HTML TF Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0013.html

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Chair: Ben

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rrsagent, please make record public

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Previous: 2006-05-08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0005

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SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has now started

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+Ralph

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+Ben_Adida

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zakim, dial steven-617

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ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+??P6

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zakim, ??p6 is Mark

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+Mark; got it

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agenda+ Action Item Revidw

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agenda+ Upcoming presentations

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agenda+ CLASS v. ROLE

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next agendum

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Action Item Revidw" taken up [from RalphS]

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[DONE] ACTION: Ben update hGRDDL issue to note a possible requirement for explicit pipelining in GRDDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]

13:12:43 [MarkB_]

Had network problems over the w/e so didn't get round to posting link to my presentation for XTech 2006. However, here it is: http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/289

13:12:51 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ben write a prototype hGRDDL profile for XHTML 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

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-- continues

13:12:53 [MarkB_]

Will also send to list.

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Ben: have some related email Laurian Gridinoc

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0014.html Re: Proposal: hGRDDL, an extraction from Microformats to RDFa [Laurian Gridinoc]

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Ben: transformation rules will be ok but quoting will present a challenge

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ACTION: Ben start separate mail threads on remaining discussion topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action04]

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-- continues

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Ben: making progress

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ACTION: Ben to draft full response to Bjoern's 2004 email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-swbp-minutes.html#action03]

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-- continues

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Ben: I do have all the feedback I need

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ACTION: Ben, Mark be ready on 15 May to discuss WWW2006 presentations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

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-- done

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[DONE] ACTION: Ben, Mark send outlines of their XTech and WWW2006 presentations this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]

13:15:32 [RalphS]

ACTION: once Steven sends editors' draft of XHTML2, all TF members take a look and comment on showstopper issues only [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

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Steven: I give a presentation tomorrow

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... saw no comments on my draft, so I assume everyone is OK

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(pointer to Steven's slides near http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 )

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11 slides starting http://www.w3.org/2006/Talks/05-16-Steven-XHTML2-XForms/#metadata

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take up next agendum

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Upcoming presentations" taken up [from RalphS]

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Mark: the point I would like to stress is that RDFa makes a lot of information available to _browsers_

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... improves the user experience by enhancing the UI using the metadata

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0017.html ACTION: MB to post link to his XTech 2006 presentation on RDFa [Mark]

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-> http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/289 RDFa: The easy way to publish your metadata

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Mark: how many presenters?

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Ben: you can use my slides but as you are listed as the presenter, there's no need for me to be on the podium

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Ralph: I think the presentation would come across better if there is only one person on the podium

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Ben: for W3C track I plan to show demos but not delve into the code

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... for Developer's Track I may get into looking at the code

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Ralph: sounds right

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Mark: the presentation in node/289 is meant to be given this Thursday

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[there's especially good stuff in http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/266 ]

13:33:04 [RalphS]

[Steven, re: your slide "RDF Terminology" - while it's true that the term "triple" is in common usage today, the formal RDF term is "Statement". Indeed, rdf:Statement is a specified rdfs:Class. I argued for "assertion" but lost. "statement" is at least better than "triple".]

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[thanks]

13:34:27 [RalphS]

[If you do add the term "statement", it's probably good to leave a parenthetic remark about "triple"]

13:35:36 [Steven]

+31624671668

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Ben: Mark is taking the lead on developing the story for the "Next Wave" session

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... I am developing the story for the W3C Track

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[/me wishes he were going to be present to hear all these great presentations]

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Ben: recommend putting copies of all materials on W3C site as well as local laptops

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ACTION: Ben make sure RDFA bookmarklet runs locally

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Topic: hGRDDL profiles

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Ben: PROPOSE to resolve that hGRDDL plus explicit default profiles for XHTML1 and XHTML2 are going to be the direction pursued by this TF

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s/the direction/a direction/

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so RESOLVED

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rel="next"

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class="foo"

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Ben: need a DOM interpretation of how to declare a base CURIE

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Mark: I was just thinking we'd need to specify rel and everything else would fall out of the profile

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... might even be able to do this just in prose

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Ben: if the preprocessing step is just done with DOM calls then whatever happens to set the CURIE base needs to be reflected in the DOM somehow

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Mark: not sure; could just say "when used in a DOM, RDFa has this meaning ..."

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... ah, but if the spec says "if you see x.y construct, go consult a.b document" then maybe we do need something more

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href="foo" --> URI

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rel="foo"

13:53:39 [RalphS]

Ben: what do we mean by rel="foo" ?

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current URI = http://example.org/bar

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rel="foo" --> what is the CURIE?

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Steven: I see use cases for both, and I'm having trouble deciding

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... rel="next" is a use case for "current document"

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rel="next" --> rel="xh:next"

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Ben: we want to special-case rel="next"

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... to have a specific transform

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Mark: like a pre-processing step

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... the pre-processing idea got us back to nicer syntax without losing compatibility for things like rel='next'

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Steven: as I understand it, this "local namespace" idea is for grandfathering unqualified rel values that aren't in the HTML namespace

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Ben: intertwined with notion of adding default CURIE base; wouldn't want next to transform to xh:next

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-Ralph

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-Steven

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-Ben_Adida

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-Mark

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Attendees were Ralph, Ben_Adida, Steven, Mark

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/15-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

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