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12:59:36 <RalphS> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF
13:00:09 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0013.html
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13:00:31 <RalphS> RalphS has changed the topic to: HTML TF Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0013.html
13:00:39 <RalphS> Chair: Ben
13:00:47 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
13:01:06 <RalphS> Previous: 2006-05-08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0005
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13:01:28 <Zakim> +Ralph
13:01:30 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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13:06:14 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:06:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:06:16 <Zakim> +Steven
13:09:54 <Zakim> +??P6
13:10:10 <RalphS> zakim, ??p6 is Mark
13:10:10 <Zakim> +Mark; got it
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13:10:40 <RalphS> agenda+ Action Item Revidw
13:10:46 <RalphS> agenda+ Upcoming presentations
13:10:58 <RalphS> agenda+ CLASS v. ROLE
13:12:09 <RalphS> next agendum
13:12:14 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:12:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action Item Revidw" taken up [from RalphS]
13:12:26 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben update hGRDDL issue to note a possible requirement for explicit pipelining in GRDDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]
13:12:43 <MarkB_> Had network problems over the w/e so didn't get round to posting link to my presentation for XTech 2006. However, here it is: http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/289
13:12:51 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben write a prototype hGRDDL profile for XHTML 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
13:12:53 <RalphS> -- continues
13:12:53 <MarkB_> Will also send to list.
13:13:14 <RalphS> Ben: have some related email Laurian Gridinoc 
13:13:29 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0014.html Re: Proposal: hGRDDL, an extraction from Microformats to RDFa [Laurian Gridinoc]
13:13:57 <RalphS> Ben: transformation rules will be ok but quoting will present a challenge
13:14:07 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben start separate mail threads on remaining discussion topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action04]
13:14:09 <RalphS> -- continues
13:14:12 <RalphS> Ben: making progress
13:14:18 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to draft full response to Bjoern's 2004 email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
13:14:20 <RalphS> -- continues
13:14:38 <RalphS> Ben: I do have all the feedback I need
13:14:41 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben, Mark be ready on 15 May to discuss WWW2006 presentations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
13:14:44 <RalphS> -- done
13:15:17 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben, Mark send outlines of their XTech and WWW2006 presentations this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]
13:15:32 <RalphS> ACTION: once Steven sends editors' draft of XHTML2, all TF members take a look and comment on showstopper issues only [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
13:15:36 <RalphS> -- continues
13:15:55 <RalphS> Steven: I give a presentation tomorrow
13:16:05 <RalphS> ... saw no comments on my draft, so I assume everyone is OK
13:16:56 <RalphS> (pointer to Steven's slides near http://www.w3.org/2006/05/01-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 )
13:17:11 <Steven> 11 slides starting http://www.w3.org/2006/Talks/05-16-Steven-XHTML2-XForms/#metadata
13:18:02 <RalphS> take up next agendum
13:18:07 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:18:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Upcoming presentations" taken up [from RalphS]
13:20:46 <RalphS> Mark: the point I would like to stress is that RDFa makes a lot of information available to _browsers_
13:20:58 <RalphS> ... improves the user experience by enhancing the UI using the metadata
13:22:00 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006May/0017.html ACTION: MB to post link to his XTech 2006 presentation on RDFa [Mark]
13:22:26 <RalphS> -> http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/289 RDFa: The easy way to publish your metadata
13:24:09 <RalphS> Mark: how many presenters?
13:24:45 <RalphS> Ben: you can use my slides but as you are listed as the presenter, there's no need for me to be on the podium
13:25:02 <RalphS> Ralph: I think the presentation would come across better if there is only one person on the podium
13:26:35 <RalphS> Ben: for W3C track I plan to show demos but not delve into the code
13:26:47 <RalphS> ... for Developer's Track I may get into looking at the code
13:26:54 <RalphS> Ralph: sounds right
13:29:46 <RalphS> Mark: the presentation in node/289 is meant to be given this Thursday
13:30:12 <RalphS> [there's especially good stuff in http://skimstone.x-port.net/node/266 ]
13:33:04 <RalphS> [Steven, re: your slide "RDF Terminology" - while it's true that the term "triple" is in common usage today, the formal RDF term is "Statement".  Indeed, rdf:Statement is a specified rdfs:Class.  I argued for "assertion" but lost.  "statement" is at least better than "triple".]
13:33:25 <Steven> [thanks]
13:34:27 <RalphS> [If you do add the term "statement", it's probably good to leave a parenthetic remark about "triple"]
13:35:36 <Steven> +31624671668
13:36:34 <RalphS> Ben: Mark is taking the lead on developing the story for the "Next Wave" session
13:36:46 <RalphS> ... I am developing the story for the W3C Track
13:37:36 <RalphS> [/me wishes he were going to be present to hear all these great presentations]
13:37:59 <RalphS> Ben: recommend putting copies of all materials on W3C site as well as local laptops
13:38:16 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben make sure RDFA bookmarklet runs locally
13:38:53 <RalphS> Topic: hGRDDL profiles
13:40:05 <RalphS> Ben: PROPOSE to resolve that hGRDDL plus explicit default profiles for XHTML1 and XHTML2 are going to be the direction pursued by this TF
13:40:30 <RalphS> s/the direction/a direction/
13:40:46 <RalphS> so RESOLVED
13:45:47 <benadida> rel="next"
13:46:10 <benadida> class="foo"
13:48:47 <RalphS> Ben: need a DOM interpretation of how to declare a base CURIE
13:49:07 <RalphS> Mark: I was just thinking we'd need to specify rel and everything else would fall out of the profile
13:49:23 <RalphS> ... might even be able to do this just in prose
13:49:55 <RalphS> Ben: if the preprocessing step is just done with DOM calls then whatever happens to set the CURIE base needs to be reflected in the DOM somehow
13:50:10 <RalphS> Mark: not sure; could just say "when used in a DOM, RDFa has this meaning ..."
13:51:10 <RalphS> ... ah, but if the spec says "if you see x.y construct, go consult a.b document" then maybe we do need something more
13:53:10 <benadida> href="foo" --> URI
13:53:24 <benadida> rel="foo"
13:53:39 <RalphS> Ben: what do we mean by rel="foo" ?
13:53:42 <benadida> current URI = http://example.org/bar
13:54:00 <benadida> rel="foo" --> what is the CURIE?
13:54:33 <RalphS> Steven: I see use cases for both, and I'm having trouble deciding
13:54:42 <RalphS> ... rel="next" is a use case for "current document"
13:54:47 <benadida> rel="next" --> rel="xh:next"
13:54:51 <RalphS> Ben: we want to special-case rel="next"
13:55:07 <RalphS> ... to have a specific transform
13:55:18 <RalphS> Mark: like a pre-processing step
13:56:35 <RalphS> ... the pre-processing idea got us back to nicer syntax without losing compatibility for things like rel='next'
13:57:11 <RalphS> Steven: as I understand it, this "local namespace" idea is for grandfathering unqualified rel values that aren't in the HTML namespace
13:57:50 <RalphS> Ben: intertwined with notion of adding default CURIE base; wouldn't want next to transform to xh:next
14:02:00 <Zakim> -Ralph
14:05:28 <Zakim> -Steven
14:05:29 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
14:05:30 <Zakim> -Mark
14:05:32 <Zakim> SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended
14:05:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Ben_Adida, Steven, Mark
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15:12:13 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:12:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/15-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
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