17:56:15 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:56:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-irc 17:58:50 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:58:57 +[IBM] 17:59:28 +Jim_Allan 17:59:37 JR has joined #ua 18:00:00 Meeting: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 11 May 2006 18:00:24 +Jan_Richards 18:01:17 scribe: JR 18:01:23 parente has joined #ua 18:01:36 Chair: jallan 18:02:06 +[IBM] is Peter Parente 18:02:16 zakim, agenda? 18:02:16 I see nothing on the agenda 18:02:35 zakim, +[IBM] is Peter Parente 18:02:35 I don't understand '+[IBM] is Peter Parente', jallan 18:02:57 agenda+ ACTION: Jim, cross reference the table with the conformance reports 18:03:36 agenda+ JR to Take updated alignment page from JA and re-org to show Priority view from WCAG 18:03:52 agenda+ Begin crafting comments to WCAG 2.0 18:04:03 +[IBM.a] 18:04:40 Zakim+ Review revision 2 UAAG - WCAG correlation table 18:04:47 Agenda+ Review revision 2 UAAG - WCAG correlation table 18:05:08 cklaws has joined #ua 18:06:31 http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/wcag2e.html 18:07:59 JR: reviews message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/0045.html 18:08:29 and attachement http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/att-0045/uaag_support_for_WCAG20_levels.htm 18:10:04 JR: Explains email. 18:10:27 JA: Not sure where we need to go with comments... 18:11:07 JA: Only technical point is a problem with a reqwuirement in WCAG 2 to automatically leaping from form field to form field. 18:12:03 JA: Thinks we have done useful things in comparing with WCAG... 18:12:38 JA: but what else can we tell WCAG. 18:13:35 JA: We only have 2 more meetings before the deadline. 18:14:13 jr: could report on our alignment exercise 18:14:39 JR: We comment on our exercise but not make any requests of them. 18:16:45 CL: Brings up fact that WCAG has checkpoints that we don't say anything about. 18:17:12 JA: Well some wcag stuff is totally content-focussed or overly broad. 18:18:48 JA: e.g. orders of nav bars etc. 18:20:00 CL: Also question about natural lang in 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 18:20:35 cl: UAAG explict repect tab order (tab index) 18:20:53 ja: do we need to have a function to ignore 18:21:15 cl: should uaag require cofigurable tab order 18:22:02 CL: If lang attribute is P1... 18:23:12 author has no control of user agent behavior (programatically determined) 18:23:24 JR: Maybe we have a comment on "programmatically determined" as a whole 18:24:18 CL: COuldn't find explicit reference to natural lang respect. 18:24:49 cl: 3.1.1 is worded in a confusing manner, author can not ensure progamaticaly determined 18:27:03 cl: can supply lang attrib, to enable the user agent to programatically determine the language 18:29:05 CL: Seems like this term is used in a way that shifts burden to ua's.. 18:29:19 CL: when it should be on author (from wcag perspective) 18:29:21 cl: programatically determined checkpoints seem more as a UAAG behavior rather than directed at the author 18:30:00 the primary language should be provided by the web author so that it can be determined by the user agent 18:30:34 cl: not sure we have the requirement solidified in UAAG 18:32:40 ja: so WCAG should just lay out what to do and ua's should catch up 18:35:19 ja: just noticed they want to separate technologies - but then make lots of implicit user agent requirements 18:38:07 JA: 18:39:01 cl: reword to say "identify the primary natural language according to your basiline technology" 18:39:48 CL: The issue is in the phrasing. 18:41:18 JA: Yes there does seem to be a phrasing difference between other guidelines and these ones 18:42:59 action CL: find problematic instances of "programmatically determined" or other user agent assumptions 18:43:21 action JA: Help CL to do formulate re-phrasing. 18:44:32 JA: Also has a problem with content hacks of user agent functionality (e.g setting font size in the content) 18:45:59 action JA: Identify instances where wcag requires something of the author that really should be done by the user agent. 18:47:20 e.g. separate background audio control 18:51:13 action JR: take a look at the "programmatically determined" construct 18:53:19 parent1 has joined #ua 18:54:21 JA: starting to think more about uaag 1.1 18:54:25 CL: Agreed 18:54:41 JR: Agreed - prob will be lerss checkpoints, more simplified 18:55:01 CL: e.g. Different treatment of DOM, other topics incl. SVG. 18:55:48 -[IBM.a] 18:55:54 -[IBM] 18:55:59 -Jim_Allan 18:56:02 -Jan_Richards 18:56:03 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 18:56:04 Attendees were [IBM], Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards 18:56:17 RRSAgent, make minutes 18:56:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-minutes.html JR 18:56:43 RRSAgent, set logs public 18:56:48 Zakim, bye 18:56:48 Zakim has left #ua 18:56:53 RRSAgent, bye 18:56:53 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-actions.rdf : 18:56:53 ACTION: CL to find problematic instances of "programmatically determined" or other user agent assumptions [1] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-irc#T18-42-59 18:56:53 ACTION: JA to Help CL to do formulate re-phrasing. [2] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-irc#T18-43-21 18:56:53 ACTION: JA to Identify instances where wcag requires something of the author that really should be done by the user agent. [3] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-irc#T18-45-59 18:56:53 ACTION: JR to take a look at the "programmatically determined" construct [4] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/11-ua-irc#T18-51-13