IRC log of ua on 2006-05-04
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/05/04-ua-irc
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- list
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- zakim, list
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- I see Style_XSL WG()1:00PM, WS_AddrWG(F2F)9:00AM, XML_EXI()1:30PM active
- 17:51:14 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time is WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
- 17:51:29 [jallan]
- zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
- 17:51:29 [Zakim]
- ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
- 17:55:22 [jallan]
- Meeting: UAWG teleconference 4 May 2006
- 17:58:18 [Zakim]
- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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- +DPoehlman
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- +Jim_Allan
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- +[IBM]
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- +Jan_Richards
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- Scribe: JR
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- Agenda+ WCAG 2.0 official last call review conformance section
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- Agenda+ Review revision 2 UAAG - WCAG correlation table.
- 18:07:01 [JR]
- Agenda+ Review UAAG references/dependencies on WCAG 1.0 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/0010.html)
- 18:08:13 [JR]
- Agenda+ Any comments from the UAWG on the "Mobile Web Best Practices" Last Call
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- Agenda+ WebAPI Links
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- Zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0 official last call review conformance section" taken up [from JR]
- 18:09:13 [JR]
- JA: My reading of new conformance text is that it is the same as before...
- 18:09:54 [JR]
- JA: They still say you choose the technologies and you conform assuming that supporting user agents and AT's exist.
- 18:10:07 [JR]
- JA: Our comment deadline is May 31
- 18:11:21 [JR]
- CL: Does UAAG say UA needs to conform by itself without AT.
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- ?
- 18:11:53 [JR]
- DP: Actually think UA can team up with an AT
- 18:12:28 [JR]
- CL: We need to update our conformanceref - it mentions WCAG 1.0
- 18:13:31 [JR]
- JA: A uA can conform to a subset UAAG (e.g. visualtext, etc.)
- 18:14:17 [jallan]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/conformance.html#conformance-wcag1
- 18:19:53 [JR]
- JR: A UAAG v.1.1 could change its conformance scheme to allow the developer to choose to point to WCAG 1.0 or 2.0 - their choice...
- 18:23:55 [jallan]
- specific reference to WCAG 1.0 in UAAG conformance http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-UAAG10-20021217/uaag10.html#conformance-claims
- 18:23:57 [JR]
- JR: WCAG pointed to in only 2 places in UAAG
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- JR: Could change is fairly easily in a v1.1
- 18:25:41 [JR]
- JA: Back to the table...
- 18:26:25 [JR]
- zikim, close current agendum
- 18:26:34 [JR]
- zakim, close current agendum
- 18:26:34 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close current agendum', JR
- 18:26:47 [JR]
- Zakim, close this item
- 18:26:47 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 18:26:48 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Review revision 2 UAAG - WCAG correlation table. [from JR]
- 18:26:53 [jallan]
- WCAG 2.0 understanding baseline http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/baseline/
- 18:27:40 [JR]
- CL comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/0040.html
- 18:28:00 [JR]
- CL: noticed inconsistencies in organization
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- CL: UAAG 9.10 EXTENDS WCAG 2.4.1
- 18:34:07 [jallan]
- CL: UAAG 9.8 Support WCAG 2.4.2
- 18:36:10 [JR]
- JR: WCAG seems to be assuming the UA has an intra-page text search capability
- 18:38:21 [JR]
- CL: UAAG 10.6 supports WCAG 2.4.3
- 18:45:05 [JR]
- JR, JA: UAAG 10.7 EXTENDS WCAG 2.4.7
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- JA: How should we frame these comments to WCAG?]
- 18:47:32 [JR]
- JA: this initiall came up in discussion with CMN.
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- DP: Also this is a gap analysis...
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- JR: Also CMN saying UA's could do some of the things that WCAG asking of users.
- 18:50:33 [JR]
- DP: Now WCAG says don't flash, in case uaag we say control flashing...if UA's conformed to UAAG then WCAG wouldn't have to say don't flash...
- 18:50:47 [JR]
- DP: What are we asking of WCAG...
- 18:54:20 [jallan]
- JR: UAWG soucle say here are WCAG cp (p1), here are the UAAG checkpoints that support these cp.
- 18:55:09 [jallan]
- if you want to claim conformance to wcag cp, then you must have identified a UA that conforms to the UAAG checkpoints
- 18:57:51 [jallan]
- yes, UAAG may be too much, but there is a basic set of functionalities assumed/required by WCAG in a useragent
- 18:58:16 [jallan]
- and these set of functionalities must/should conform to UAAG
- 18:59:37 [JR]
- JA: Next step is to cross reference list with reports
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- to see if user agents are already meeting them.
- 19:00:34 [jallan]
- action: Jim, cross reference the table with the conformance reports
- 19:01:26 [JR]
- JR: its important not just that a uaag checkpoint be on the list but that it be associated with the highest wcag priority
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- JA: 4.5 maybe should be added for 2.2.2
- 19:08:12 [Zakim]
- -[IBM]
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- -DPoehlman
- 19:08:39 [JR]
- action JR: Take updated alignment page from JA and re-org to show Priority view from WCAG
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- -Jan_Richards
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- -Jim_Allan
- 19:16:55 [Zakim]
- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were DPoehlman, Jim_Allan, [IBM], Jan_Richards
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/04-ua-minutes.html JR
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- RRSAgent, set logs public
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- Zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #ua
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- RRSAgent, Bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/04-ua-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Jim, cross reference the table with the conformance reports [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/04-ua-irc#T19-00-34
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- ACTION: JR to Take updated alignment page from JA and re-org to show Priority view from WCAG [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/04-ua-irc#T19-08-39