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20:00:46 <rscano> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG()
20:00:46 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
20:00:47 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
20:00:49 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
20:00:51 <ben> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
20:00:51 <Zakim> ben, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:00:52 <Sorcha> Sorcha has left #wai-wcag
20:00:53 <Zakim> ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:00:56 <Zakim> +??P3
20:01:04 <ben> zakim, ??P3 is Ben_Caldwell
20:01:04 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:01:15 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, Andi_Snow_Weaver, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell
20:01:15 <Sorcha> Sorcha has joined #wai-wcag
20:01:16 <jslatin> thanks, roberto!
20:01:17 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:01:23 <rscano> ;-)
20:01:31 <ben> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
20:01:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:01:43 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
20:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
20:01:50 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:01:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
20:01:57 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:01:58 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006AprJun/0042.html
20:02:04 <ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
20:02:13 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:02:16 <rscano> zakim, [IPcaller.a is Roberto_Scano
20:02:16 <Zakim> sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller.a'
20:02:18 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, .aa] is LucaMascaro
20:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, LucaMascaro, I do not recognize a party named '.aa]'
20:02:31 <rscano> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is Roberto_Scano
20:02:31 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
20:02:32 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is LucaMascaro
20:02:32 <Zakim> sorry, LucaMascaro, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
20:02:37 <rscano> zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
20:02:37 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
20:02:40 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:02:44 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is LucaMascaro
20:02:44 <Zakim> +LucaMascaro; got it
20:02:54 <ben> Regrets: Roberto_Castaldo, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Bruce_Bailey, Yvette_Hoitink
20:03:02 <ben> agenda+ Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon
20:03:06 <rscano> zakim, who is making noise?
20:03:09 <ben> agenda+ Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon
20:03:11 <Zakim> +??P16
20:03:16 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:03:17 <ben> agenda+ should we have an upper limit on seizure disorder?
20:03:18 <Zakim> rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alex_Li (51%), Andi_Snow_Weaver (20%), John_Slatin (19%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (34%), LucaMascaro (90%),
20:03:21 <Zakim> ... Roberto_Scano (33%)
20:03:24 <rscano> zakim, mute me
20:03:24 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
20:03:27 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, mute me
20:03:27 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:03:36 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:03:59 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:03:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, [IPcaller], Roberto_Scano (muted), LucaMascaro (muted), Wendy, Andi_Snow_Weaver, ??P16,
20:04:02 <Zakim> ... Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe
20:04:10 <judy> judy has joined #wai-wcag
20:04:24 <ben> scribe: Christophe
20:05:34 <Sorcha> IP caller sorcha moore
20:05:49 <ben> zakim, ??P16 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:05:49 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:05:57 <rscano> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, [IPcaller], Roberto_Scano (muted), LucaMascaro (muted), Wendy, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
20:06:00 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe
20:06:06 <ben> zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
20:06:06 <Zakim> +Sorcha_Moore; got it
20:06:34 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:07:00 <ben> agenda?
20:08:36 <Christophe> Organisations who are considering WCAG 2.0 implementation (for CR phase): contact John, Judy and Wendy.
20:09:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:09:55 <Christophe> After LC there will be a five week review period; reviewers will be asked to use a format defined by the WG (spreadsheet or web based).
20:10:07 <rscano> zakim, +[IPcaller] is Marco_Bertoni 
20:10:07 <Zakim> sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
20:10:15 <rscano> zakim [IPcaller is Marco_Bertoni
20:10:25 <rscano> zakim, [IPCaller] is Marco_Bertoni
20:10:25 <Zakim> +Marco_Bertoni; got it
20:10:39 <rscano> zakim, mute Marco_Bertoni
20:10:39 <Zakim> Marco_Bertoni should now be muted
20:11:18 <Christophe> WG participants - contact Ben if you are available for proofreading.
20:11:39 <marco_bertoni> 03zakim, I am Marco_Bertoni01
20:12:13 <rscano> zakim, marco_bertoni is Marco_Bertoni 
20:12:13 <Zakim> +Marco_Bertoni; got it
20:12:22 <ben> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:12:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Roberto_Scano (muted), LucaMascaro (muted), Wendy, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
20:12:26 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe, Marco_Bertoni.a (muted)
20:13:58 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:13:59 <ben> unanimous consent: 
20:13:59 <ben> (from Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon) 
20:13:59 <ben> Definition of "general flash threshold", Failure due to using script to make div or span a user interface control in HTML, Issue 505, Issue 835, Issue 1014, Issue 1144
20:14:12 <ben> (from Team B Survey (13 April)) 
20:14:12 <ben> Adding links at the top of the page to each area of the content, Providing Heading elements at the beginning of each section of content, Providing a list of links to all other Web units, Identifying content's relationship to a larger collection, Using an icon or text to indicate current location within navigation bars, Providing a function to search an on-line dictionary, Providing the pronunciation immediately following the word, Linking to pronunciations
20:14:22 <Michael> Michael has joined #wai-wcag
20:14:38 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:14:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon" taken up [from ben]
20:14:50 <Christophe> Resolution: accept all of today's survey items that are marked as 'accept' or 'accept with edits':...
20:14:58 <Christophe> ... (from Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon): Definition of "general flash threshold", Failure due to using script to make div or span a user interface control in HTML, Issue 505, Issue 835, Issue 1014, Issue 1144
20:15:28 <Christophe> ... (from Team B Survey (13 April)) :(from Team B Survey (13 April)) Adding links at the top of the page to each area of the content, Providing Heading elements at the beginning of each section of content, Providing a list of links to all other Web units, Identifying content's relationship to a larger collection, Using an icon or text to indicate current location within navigation bars, Providing a function to search an on-line dictionary, Providing 
20:18:02 <rscano> for who need results of questionnaire: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20060413/results
20:19:13 <ben> ack Katie
20:20:27 <ben> Topic: What constitutes EMPTY alt text?
20:24:32 <ben> ack Katie
20:26:43 <Christophe> Christophe has joined #wai-wcag
20:26:57 <rscano> IWA/HWG don't agree to use "&nbsp;" or " " 
20:28:11 <rscano> ok
20:28:13 <rscano> q+
20:28:51 <ben> q+ gregg
20:28:55 <ben> ack Rob
20:29:17 <Christophe> Only alt="" vs. alt="" or alt=" " for spaces and decorative images.
20:29:35 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:30:08 <rscano> zakim, mute me
20:30:08 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
20:30:27 <LucaMascaro> q+
20:30:31 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, unmute me
20:30:31 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should no longer be muted
20:30:35 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:30:44 <ben> ack gregg
20:31:15 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
20:31:26 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Caldwell (9%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (82%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (14%), Sorcha_Moore (68%), Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:31:29 <Zakim> ... (14%)
20:31:31 <wendy> zakim, mute sorcha
20:31:31 <Zakim> Sorcha_Moore should now be muted
20:32:08 <Christophe> There's already a lot of content that uses alt=" "; this is only a technique, not normative content.
20:32:54 <wendy> zakim, who's making noise?
20:33:05 <Zakim> wendy, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (14%), LucaMascaro (21%)
20:33:11 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:33:16 <wendy> q?
20:33:24 <wendy> ack katie
20:33:28 <wendy> ack luca
20:34:19 <rscano> zakim, mute me
20:34:19 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano was already muted, rscano
20:34:34 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, mute me
20:34:34 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:34:48 <Christophe> Screen readers ignore img elements with alt="" or alt=" " (normal space in alt); there appears to be no difference.
20:36:07 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:36:33 <ben> zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:36:33 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:38:28 <Christophe> Running two words together and just put a spacer image is a failure but not a common one.
20:39:51 <wendy> s/Running two words/gv add a technique -  Running two words
20:40:59 <Christophe> Resolution: leave technique unchanged (alt=" " is acceptable, but alt="" is recommended); non-breaking spaces and other types of white space are not allowed.
20:41:50 <ben> Topic: Updates to WCAG 1.0 to WCAG 2.0 Mapping
20:43:26 <gregg> */ me   Action item -GV to review techniques to make sure they agree with ALT decision and to add a note about avoiding "running two words together" problem
20:44:16 <Christophe> action: editors review the updated mapping and check with Christophe and Andi to make sure that edits are incorporated and that the issues are addressed.
20:44:54 <Christophe> action: GV to review techniques to make sure they agree with ALT decision and to add a note about avoiding "running two words together" problem
20:45:46 <ben> zakim, close this item
20:45:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:45:47 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:45:48 <Zakim> 2. Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon [from ben]
20:45:49 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:45:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Misc. Questions for 13 April 2006 Telecon" taken up [from ben]
20:46:48 <Christophe> Topic: Failure due to using scripting events instead of anchor or area elements to create links
20:47:59 <ben> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:47:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted), LucaMascaro (muted), Wendy,
20:48:02 <Zakim> ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christophe_Strobbe, Marco_Bertoni.a (muted), Michael_Cooper
20:48:05 <Zakim> Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:48:55 <Christophe> Resolution: change title to "Failure due to using scripting events to create links"
20:50:19 <Christophe> Topic: General Technique: Including a character cue whenever color cues are used (e.g. asterisk next to red items)
20:51:02 <Andi> q+
20:52:53 <Christophe> Resolution: accept technique with change of title to "General Technique: Including a character cue whenever color cues are used", and updated example so that it does not use an asterisk
20:53:26 <Zakim> +Judy
20:53:33 <Christophe> action: John to contact Makoto about example for character cue other than asterisk
20:53:52 <Christophe> Topic: General Technique: Adding a link at the beginning of a block of repeated content to go to the end of the block
20:54:03 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:54:42 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:55:42 <Christophe> Resolution: accept the technique with edits that address Makoto's concern
20:55:51 <Christophe> ... about translation
20:55:56 <ben> Topic: Using frame elements to group blocks of repeated material
20:58:36 <Christophe> Resolution: accept the technique with edits that address the concern about frame titles
20:58:41 <ben> Topic: Providing links to navigate between related Web units
21:00:18 <Christophe> Resolution: accept with edits 
21:00:21 <ben> Topic: Providing a concept map
21:01:38 <gregg> q+
21:02:26 <ben> ack andi
21:02:30 <ben> ack gregg
21:02:44 <Zakim> -Judy
21:04:37 <ben> Topic: Providing a checkbox on the first page of a multipart form that allows users to ask for longer session timeout or no session timeout
21:04:37 <Christophe> Resolution: remove the technique (move to boneyard)
21:06:46 <Christophe> Resolution: accept technique (session timeout) with edits to procedure and expected results.
21:07:28 <ben> Topic: should we have an upper limit on seizure disorder?
21:11:18 <Christophe> Resolution: add note "3. The flashing is below 50 hz." to the definition of general flash
21:12:06 <Christophe> Topic: definition of Level 3 conformance
21:13:29 <Christophe> Resolution: add note "3. The flashing is below 50 hz." to the definition of red flash
21:19:51 <Christophe> Resolution: make all descriptions of AAA conformance "50% of all Level 3 success criteria that apply to the content"
21:20:14 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
21:20:32 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:20:33 <Sorcha> Sorcha has left #wai-wcag
21:21:00 <Zakim> -Wendy
21:21:00 <LucaMascaro> zakim, unmute me
21:21:01 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should no longer be muted
21:21:02 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
21:21:04 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:21:05 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:21:07 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
21:21:09 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:21:10 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
21:21:12 <Zakim> -Sorcha_Moore
21:21:14 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:21:14 <Zakim> -LucaMascaro
21:21:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marco_Bertoni.a (muted)
21:21:16 <Zakim> Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:21:44 <rscano> LOL
21:21:59 <rscano> night guys and girls!
21:22:42 <rscano> rscano has left #wai-wcag
21:22:45 <marco_bertoni> night everyone
21:22:46 <jslatin> thanks, everyone!
21:22:54 <marco_bertoni> marco_bertoni has left #wai-wcag
21:23:01 <Zakim> -Marco_Bertoni.a
21:23:47 <Andi> Andi has left #wai-wcag
21:24:17 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:24:19 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
21:24:21 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
21:24:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Alex_Li, Andi_Snow_Weaver, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Scano, LucaMascaro, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe,
21:24:24 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sorcha_Moore, Marco_Bertoni, Michael_Cooper, Judy
21:25:08 <ben> Present: Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Roberto_Scano, Luca_Mascaro, Wendy, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christophe_Strobbe, Marco_Bertoni, Michael_Cooper, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy_Brewer
21:29:25 <Christophe> Christophe has left #wai-wcag
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21:35:47 <jslatin> hi judy, we finsiehd a few minutes ago
21:35:53 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
21:35:57 <jslatin> whoops, make that "finished"
21:36:00 <Zakim> +Judy
21:36:02 <Zakim> -Judy
21:36:03 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
21:36:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Judy
21:36:12 <judy> yikes!
21:36:17 <ben> zakim, bye
21:36:17 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
21:36:20 <jslatin> <grin> 
21:36:23 <ben> RRSAgent, bye
21:36:23 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/13-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
21:36:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: editors review the updated mapping and check with Christophe and Andi to make sure that edits are incorporated and that the issues are addressed. [1]
21:36:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/13-wai-wcag-irc#T20-44-16
21:36:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: GV to review techniques to make sure they agree with ALT decision and to add a note about avoiding "running two words together" problem [2]
21:36:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/13-wai-wcag-irc#T20-44-54
21:36:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION:  [3]
21:36:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/13-wai-wcag-irc#T20-52-53
21:36:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to contact Makoto about example for character cue other than asterisk [4]
21:36:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/13-wai-wcag-irc#T20-53-33