19:16:39 RRSAgent has joined #ua 19:16:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-ua-irc 19:16:54 CMN: Has comments about baseline... 19:16:58 Topic: Comments on WCAG 19:17:24 Present: Jan, Jim, Chaals 19:17:31 CMN: No help in how to guess what browsers users have 19:17:32 Regrets: DavidP, Cathy 19:18:00 JA: Hard since no UAUG browsers 19:18:09 scibre: Jan 19:18:12 CMN: Yes but they could still provide some guidance 19:18:16 ScribeNick: JR 19:19:00 JA: So are you saying there should be some sub-set of UAAG? 19:19:09 CMN: Just more help that's all... 19:19:50 CMN: Some very basic things can always be assumed. 19:22:17 CMN: Should be able to demonstrate that baseline can be supported by .. 19:22:34 ... something that meets at least a basic handful of UUAG requirements. 19:23:36 e.g. There must be some browser (including combined systems) available for the set of technologies in the baseline that rpovides keyboard access to all functions, zoom for any visual rendering, and stop/rewind/playback for audio. 19:23:56 (these should actually be specified in terms of UAAG checkpoints... ;) ) 19:24:47 for example wcag guideline 1.1 provide text alternative for all non-text alternative 19:25:16 assumes UAAG Guideline 2 ensure user access to all content 19:27:19 JR: Isn't this like asking for a UAAG lite 19:29:34 CMN: Perhaps UAAG group should work with WCAG to make a "UAAG ultralite" to be used as part of the baseline 19:31:20 JA: We've been waiting for Jaws 7.1 to come out to test with Firefox. 19:31:58 JA: Does Opera have interest in a UAAG conformance test? 19:32:07 CMN: But time is an issue. 19:32:28 JA: It took CL 3-4 days 19:33:14 JA: What would the minimum set be? 19:34:00 JA: Input/Output dependence; access to all info; allow conf not to render some content;... 19:34:24 CMN: Needs to be more detailed.. 19:38:36 CMN: Looking quickly through checkpoints... 19:40:21 CMN: IE does 6.4, 6.5 (but Opera doesn't)... 19:40:44 CMN: Some in 4 are often done be plugins but not impossible... 19:40:59 CMN: 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 no prob... 19:41:40 CMN: 4.4 tricky for some formats 19:42:14 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 no prob 19:42:22 4.8 is tricky 19:43:07 JA: 4.9 - 4.12 SR would do, CMN says his browser doesn't usually have an SR hooked up 19:43:24 CMN: Fair argument that Level A is actually fine 19:44:26 CMN: Just a couple of P1's that might be arguable. 19:45:38 comment that UAAG Priority 1 should be baseline for WCAG 2 19:45:52 JR: So are you saying UAWG should suggest UAAG Level A conformant browser in order for wcag2 baseline 19:46:00 CMN: Yes 19:46:18 demonstrate that there is a (one) user agent that meets each P1 in UAAG 19:48:32 JR: Some developers against DOM etc. 19:48:42 not that there is one user agent that meets all P1 UAAG requirements 19:49:00 JR: Which is a P1 (6.2) 19:49:19 WCAG conformance claimaints should not have to guess 19:49:47 what "browsers people with disabilities will use" means. 19:51:32 CMN: As a general comment UAAG covers a variety of cases (and so aren't always necessary) 19:52:32 CMN: Sometimes there is a crossover...wcag has prohibition against flashing, and uaag has req to stop things from flashing. 19:53:09 CMN: SO author could say since there is a UA that stops flashing they are ok to use it in their content. 19:56:01 JR: Which way does that relationhip go? 19:56:51 CMN: People should be allowed to do things that UA's can screen out, instead of prohibiting, wcag should warn authors that some stuff will be screend by some browsers 19:57:42 JA: OK so we need to look through wcag for things that ua's can get people around... 19:59:10 authors should write content that supports User Agent functionality 20:00:04 Use HTML headings then browsers will have mechanism to jump between headings and skip text. 20:00:37 in other ML or Flash author may have to provide a mechanism seperate from User agent functionality 20:02:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:02:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-ua-minutes.html chaals 20:02:05 -Jan_Richards 20:02:07 -Jim_Allan 20:02:11 rrsagent, make log public 20:02:20 zakim, drop chaals 20:02:20 sorry, chaals, I do not see a party named 'chaals' 20:02:32 zakim, drop ipcaller 20:02:32 [IPcaller] is being disconnected 20:02:33 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 20:02:35 Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, [IPcaller] 20:02:56 Chair: Jim 20:03:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:03:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-ua-minutes.html chaals 20:03:59 Meeting: UAAG telecon 20:06:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:06:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-ua-minutes.html chaals 20:15:12 rrsagent, bye 20:15:12 I see no action items