IRC log of wcag-teamc on 2006-01-09
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- 22:53:37 [Michael]
- rrsagent, make log world
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- rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
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- Good morning :-)
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- WAI_WCAG()6:00PM has now started
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- +??P5
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, ??P5 is Makoto_Ueki
- 23:03:52 [Zakim]
- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
- 23:08:44 [Michael]
- Topic: Guideline 2.1 proposals
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- scribe: Michael
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- resolution: take all actions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2006Jan/0005.html
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- topic: Techniques for GL 2.1
- 23:10:50 [Michael]
- andi will do technique for 2.1.1
- 23:12:38 [Michael]
- instructions at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/1480.html
- 23:13:22 [Michael]
- action: Michael ask editors if we need to work out the techniques for the failures right now
- 23:14:25 [Michael]
- guide doc at http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.1.1
- 23:17:14 [Michael]
- SC: need technique to show where task requires analog time-dependent input
- 23:18:15 [Michael]
- or example, not technique?
- 23:19:08 [Michael]
- action: someone create example to show where task requires analog time-dependent input
- 23:21:48 [Michael]
- actually, sufficient examples seem to be there
- 23:21:52 [Michael]
- rrsagent, drop action 2
- 23:22:57 [Michael]
- action: andi do technique for "Using keyboard-controllable event handlers for all functionality"
- 23:24:37 [Michael]
- SC: maybe need technique to distinguish 2.1.1 and 2.1.2
- 23:25:00 [Michael]
- MC: technique for using keyboard even when analog or time-dependent input present, e.g., work out painting program example
- 23:29:46 [Michael]
- MC: maybe we don't create technique, but clarify that SC exludes use of things like painting programs that meet the exception criteria to 2.1.1
- 23:31:59 [Michael]
- but that would mean that it's just an "unmeetable" version of 2.1.1
- 23:35:54 [Michael]
- action: Michael survey on these options for 2.1.2 (create technique, clarify SC excludes things that use analog, or declare SC redundant)
- 23:39:31 [Michael]
- topic: Guideline 2.2 techniques
- 23:39:36 [Michael]
- 2.1.1: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.1
- 23:40:01 [Michael]
- s/2.1.1/2.2.2
- 23:40:10 [Michael]
- 2.2.1: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.1
- 23:41:58 [Michael]
- "including no timeouts" seems redundant - doesn't apply if there are no timeouts
- 23:42:25 [Michael]
- resolution: remove Situation A and technique (not applicable)
- 23:50:54 [Michael]
- resolution: move Situation C to boneyard
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- action: Michael raise questions on list re server/session timeouts to group re 2.2.1
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- topic: 2.2.2: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.2
- 00:10:40 [Michael]
- resolution: remove "situations" and add technique about blinking for less than 3 seconds
- 00:17:38 [Michael]
- issue of whether blinking is so distracting users can't use feature to disable it
- 00:18:48 [Michael]
- consider whether to remove second clause of SC, or make like flashing content and require advance disabling
- 00:18:55 [Michael]
- issue 1819: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/time-limits_issues.php?NOR#1819
- 00:24:59 [Michael]
- action: Michael raise question to group about blinking distracting users from turning it off (see ednote for SC)
- 00:26:16 [Michael]
- topic: 2.2.3: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L2_SC2
- 00:30:41 [Michael]
- discussion of creating script technique, but none of us could do so
- 00:31:03 [Michael]
- resolution: remove technique about pausing, then restarting live content to boneyard (hard to manage)
- 00:31:54 [Michael]
- topic: 2.2.4: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC1
- 00:33:27 [Michael]
- this one looks ok
- 00:33:58 [Michael]
- topic: 2.2.5: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC2
- 00:35:27 [Michael]
- is "emergency" as defined really going to happen on the web?
- 00:37:34 [Michael]
- resolution: remove 1st & 3rd technique because they're not about how to postpone or suppress update
- 00:39:02 [Michael]
- topic: 2.2.6: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC3
- 00:45:12 [Michael]
- resolution: remove technique about reauthentication in separate viewport - causes violation of unexpected change of context
- 00:48:27 [Michael]
- Topic: Planning
- 00:49:05 [Michael]
- Need to write 6 techniques for 2.2
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- action: Michael send to list the techniques we need and ask for volunteers
- 00:50:56 [Michael]
- action: Michael do issue summary for 2.2
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- action: Michael do issue summary for 2.5 also
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Makoto_Ueki
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- WAI_WCAG()6:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Makoto_Ueki
- 00:53:15 [Michael]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-minutes.html Michael
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- chair: Michael Cooper
- 00:56:03 [Michael]
- regrets: Andi Snow-Weaver, Tim Boland
- 00:56:06 [Michael]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-minutes.html Michael
- 00:58:57 [Michael]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Michael ask editors if we need to work out the techniques for the failures right now [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-13-22
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- ACTION: andi do technique for "Using keyboard-controllable event handlers for all functionality" [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-22-57
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- ACTION: Michael survey on these options for 2.1.2 (create technique, clarify SC excludes things that use analog, or declare SC redundant) [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-35-54
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- ACTION: Michael raise questions on list re server/session timeouts to group re 2.2.1 [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-00-33
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- ACTION: Michael raise question to group about blinking distracting users from turning it off (see ednote for SC) [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-24-59
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- ACTION: Michael send to list the techniques we need and ask for volunteers [7]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-49-15
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- ACTION: Michael do issue summary for 2.2 [8]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-50-56
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- ACTION: Michael do issue summary for 2.5 also [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-51-55
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- zakim, bye
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