IRC log of wcag-teamc on 2006-01-09

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22:53:37 [Michael]
rrsagent, make log world
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rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
22:56:24 [Makoto]
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Good morning :-)
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WAI_WCAG()6:00PM has now started
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+Sofia_Celic
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+??P5
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+Michael_Cooper
23:03:51 [Makoto]
zakim, ??P5 is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
23:08:44 [Michael]
Topic: Guideline 2.1 proposals
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scribe: Michael
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resolution: take all actions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2006Jan/0005.html
23:09:21 [Michael]
topic: Techniques for GL 2.1
23:10:50 [Michael]
andi will do technique for 2.1.1
23:12:38 [Michael]
instructions at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/1480.html
23:13:22 [Michael]
action: Michael ask editors if we need to work out the techniques for the failures right now
23:14:25 [Michael]
guide doc at http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.1.1
23:17:14 [Michael]
SC: need technique to show where task requires analog time-dependent input
23:18:15 [Michael]
or example, not technique?
23:19:08 [Michael]
action: someone create example to show where task requires analog time-dependent input
23:21:48 [Michael]
actually, sufficient examples seem to be there
23:21:52 [Michael]
rrsagent, drop action 2
23:22:57 [Michael]
action: andi do technique for "Using keyboard-controllable event handlers for all functionality"
23:24:37 [Michael]
SC: maybe need technique to distinguish 2.1.1 and 2.1.2
23:25:00 [Michael]
MC: technique for using keyboard even when analog or time-dependent input present, e.g., work out painting program example
23:29:46 [Michael]
MC: maybe we don't create technique, but clarify that SC exludes use of things like painting programs that meet the exception criteria to 2.1.1
23:31:59 [Michael]
but that would mean that it's just an "unmeetable" version of 2.1.1
23:35:54 [Michael]
action: Michael survey on these options for 2.1.2 (create technique, clarify SC excludes things that use analog, or declare SC redundant)
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topic: Guideline 2.2 techniques
23:39:36 [Michael]
2.1.1: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.1
23:40:01 [Michael]
s/2.1.1/2.2.2
23:40:10 [Michael]
2.2.1: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.1
23:41:58 [Michael]
"including no timeouts" seems redundant - doesn't apply if there are no timeouts
23:42:25 [Michael]
resolution: remove Situation A and technique (not applicable)
23:50:54 [Michael]
resolution: move Situation C to boneyard
00:00:33 [Michael]
action: Michael raise questions on list re server/session timeouts to group re 2.2.1
00:02:07 [Michael]
topic: 2.2.2: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_2.2.2
00:10:40 [Michael]
resolution: remove "situations" and add technique about blinking for less than 3 seconds
00:17:38 [Michael]
issue of whether blinking is so distracting users can't use feature to disable it
00:18:48 [Michael]
consider whether to remove second clause of SC, or make like flashing content and require advance disabling
00:18:55 [Michael]
issue 1819: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/time-limits_issues.php?NOR#1819
00:24:59 [Michael]
action: Michael raise question to group about blinking distracting users from turning it off (see ednote for SC)
00:26:16 [Michael]
topic: 2.2.3: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L2_SC2
00:30:41 [Michael]
discussion of creating script technique, but none of us could do so
00:31:03 [Michael]
resolution: remove technique about pausing, then restarting live content to boneyard (hard to manage)
00:31:54 [Michael]
topic: 2.2.4: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC1
00:33:27 [Michael]
this one looks ok
00:33:58 [Michael]
topic: 2.2.5: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC2
00:35:27 [Michael]
is "emergency" as defined really going to happen on the web?
00:37:34 [Michael]
resolution: remove 1st & 3rd technique because they're not about how to postpone or suppress update
00:39:02 [Michael]
topic: 2.2.6: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_2.2_L3_SC3
00:45:12 [Michael]
resolution: remove technique about reauthentication in separate viewport - causes violation of unexpected change of context
00:48:27 [Michael]
Topic: Planning
00:49:05 [Michael]
Need to write 6 techniques for 2.2
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action: Michael send to list the techniques we need and ask for volunteers
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action: Michael do issue summary for 2.2
00:51:55 [Michael]
action: Michael do issue summary for 2.5 also
00:53:02 [Zakim]
-Sofia_Celic
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Makoto_Ueki
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WAI_WCAG()6:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Makoto_Ueki
00:53:15 [Michael]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-minutes.html Michael
00:55:47 [Michael]
chair: Michael Cooper
00:56:03 [Michael]
regrets: Andi Snow-Weaver, Tim Boland
00:56:06 [Michael]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-minutes.html Michael
00:58:57 [Michael]
rrsagent, bye
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I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Michael ask editors if we need to work out the techniques for the failures right now [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-13-22
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ACTION: andi do technique for "Using keyboard-controllable event handlers for all functionality" [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-22-57
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ACTION: Michael survey on these options for 2.1.2 (create technique, clarify SC excludes things that use analog, or declare SC redundant) [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T23-35-54
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ACTION: Michael raise questions on list re server/session timeouts to group re 2.2.1 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-00-33
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ACTION: Michael raise question to group about blinking distracting users from turning it off (see ednote for SC) [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-24-59
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ACTION: Michael send to list the techniques we need and ask for volunteers [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-49-15
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ACTION: Michael do issue summary for 2.2 [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-50-56
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ACTION: Michael do issue summary for 2.5 also [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-wcag-teamc-irc#T00-51-55
00:59:01 [Michael]
zakim, bye
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