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18:15:20 <Christophe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teama/2005Oct/0033.html
18:15:49 <Christophe> Meeting: WCAG Team A Weekly Telecon
18:16:15 <Christophe> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:16:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Alex_Li, +1.441.942.aaaa, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald
18:18:12 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 1 Success Criterion 1
18:19:43 <Christophe> scribe: Christophe
18:20:44 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 1 Success Criterion 2: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.1_L1_SC2
18:23:58 <Christophe> Why 'non-explicit'? Text alternatives can be provided in the body of the object element.
18:25:50 <Christophe> Definition of 'non-text content' needs work (no definitions by means of lists).
18:37:01 <Christophe> Do we need to say anything about what constitutes an acceptable alt text? "provides the same function or identifies the purpose of the function" should be clear enough (?).
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18:38:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:40:32 <Christophe> Zakim, IPCaller is Chris Ridpath
18:40:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPCaller is Chris Ridpath', Christophe
18:40:42 <Christophe> Zakim, IPCaller is ChrisR
18:40:42 <Zakim> +ChrisR; got it
18:42:54 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 1 Success Criterion 3: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.1_L1_SC3
18:45:56 <Christophe> proposed definition of 'specific sensory experience' needs work (or drop it?)
18:47:15 <Christophe> don't need to define 'sensory'
18:48:04 <Christophe> specific sensory experience: sensory experience that does not primarily convey important information or perform a function
18:49:50 <Christophe> 3rd part of definition of non-text content can be modified based on definition of 'specific sensory experience'
18:53:10 <Christophe> If 3rd part of definition of non-text content is modified, there's no need for a definition of 'specific sensory experience'
19:07:38 <Christophe> Copyright issues when providing lyrics? Providing captions is legal because of disability legislation.
19:08:50 <Christophe> Differences between playing, streaming and downloading
19:09:58 <Christophe> Sites that sell music for downloading: would they need to provide lyrics?
19:10:56 <Christophe> If a site streams music, it should be accessible; downloading binaries is a different case.
19:12:40 <Christophe> If it can be play through a browser plugin, it's webcontent, so it needs to be accessible.
19:14:15 <Christophe> Electronic books that can be read online need to be accessible; if they are downloaded and read locally, WCAG does not apply.
19:15:51 <Christophe> Make a distinction between application and content?
19:16:07 <Christophe> Change level of this SC?
19:17:50 <Christophe> If "at least identifying the non-text content with a descriptive label" is sufficient, the SC should be OK.
19:18:13 <Christophe> In some songs, the words are more important than the music, so they convey information.
19:21:40 <Christophe> GL 1.1 L1 SC1 - add note on multimedia
19:26:52 <Christophe> Discussing on list on where to put alt text
19:27:58 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 1 Success Criterion 4 - http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.1_L1_SC4
19:30:36 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
19:35:07 <Christophe> Take issue 1703 to the group
19:36:31 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 1703 in survey for group
19:38:44 <Christophe> For objects/applets: no technique for marking them as ignorable: does 4.2 L1 SC1 kick in?
19:42:47 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 1 Success Criterion 5 - http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.1_L1_SC5
19:47:26 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
19:50:35 <Christophe> Reviewing:  Guide to Guideline 1.1 Level 3 Success Criterion 1 - http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.1_L3_SC1
19:55:16 <Christophe> Discussing: GL 2.2 L2 SC2
19:55:28 <Christophe> Concern: why no exception for real-time events?
19:55:49 <Christophe> What happens when you pause and restart?
19:56:40 <Christophe> If it is real-time: when you restart, it should go back to real time.
19:58:49 <Christophe> This SC is not for people who pause something to go to the bathroom but for people have difficulty with moving objects
20:03:06 <Christophe> RRSAgent, make log world
20:07:09 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:07:09 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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20:11:40 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:11:40 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:12:55 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:12:55 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:14:59 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:14:59 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:16:47 <Christophe> 2.2 L1 SC1 - edit "given at least 20 seconds to respond to the invitation ..." - take to the group
20:19:26 <Christophe> Comment by Norman B. Robinson is more restrictive than what we have (but perhaps was not meant to be)
20:26:57 <Zakim> -ChrisR
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20:30:07 <Christophe> If/when we have a number of server-side techniques, we can collect them into a document.
20:31:13 <Christophe> GL 2.2 L3 SC3 can only have server-side techniques, because of sessions and re-authentication.
20:31:29 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:31:29 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:31:56 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:31:56 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:34:41 <Christophe> Zakim, list attendees
20:34:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Alex_Li, +1.441.942.aaaa, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, ChrisR
20:36:43 <Christophe> Zakim, +1.441.942.aaaa is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:36:43 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:36:46 <Christophe> Zakim, list attendees
20:36:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Alex_Li, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, ChrisR, Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:38:10 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:38:10 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:43:56 <Christophe> RRSAgent, make log world
20:44:31 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
20:44:32 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
20:44:34 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
20:44:34 <Christophe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:44:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-wcag-teama-minutes.html Christophe
20:44:46 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:44:46 <Zakim> -??P1
20:44:46 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAGA)2:00PM has ended
20:44:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Alex_Li, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, ChrisR, Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:45:12 <Christophe> Zakim, ??P1 is Gez_Lemon
20:45:14 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as ??P1, Christophe
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20:45:25 <Christophe> Zakim, list attendees
20:45:25 <Zakim> sorry, Christophe, I don't know what conference this is
20:45:32 <Christophe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:45:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-wcag-teama-minutes.html Christophe
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