14:59:06 RRSAgent has joined #wcag-teamb 14:59:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc 15:00:16 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0126.html 15:00:33 agenda+ http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/octf2f/results 15:00:38 WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started 15:00:45 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 15:00:54 agendum 1 = Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/octf2f/results] 15:01:17 +Wendy 15:01:39 +Diane_Stottlemyer 15:01:48 agenda+ Latest on the definitions of Abbreviation/Acronym/initialism [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0848.html] 15:02:29 agenda+ Proposal to combine "restricted use" and "abbreviation" success criterion [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0089.html] 15:03:29 +Becky_Gibson 15:03:45 Becky has joined #wcag-teamb 15:04:29 +??P12 15:04:36 agendum 1 = Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050915b/results] 15:04:45 zakim, ??P12 is Bengt_Farre 15:04:45 +Bengt_Farre; got it 15:05:31 zakim, take up item 1 15:05:31 agendum 1. "Discuss results of survey [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050915b/results]" taken up 15:07:38 Proposed HTML Technique for L1SC1: using meta name="dc:language" to specify language 15:08:29 not support to make sufficient. add it to our "optional techniques/someday pile" bugzilla bug 15:10:40 General Technique for L3SC2: internal linking - clarify in the guide that there are at least 2 sufficient techniques to chose from (internal linking and rel=glossary) 15:13:07 action: john? write guide for l3sc2, include options for 2 sufficient techniques (internal linking OR rel=glossary) 15:13:34 Proposal to divide the General Technique for L3 SC3 into 3 General Techniques, plus a new one 15:19:45 action: becky write guide doc with the 4 sufficient techniques (Using inline expansion OR Using a Glossary page OR Searching an online dictionary of acronyms OR and Using a Dictionary Cascade.) - just choose one 15:20:08 looking for evidence about abbr and reading disability. 15:20:55 Proposals for General Technique for L3 SC4 15:22:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/0031.html 15:23:51 writing section headings for scannability. 15:24:10 1. Help users find the information they are looking for. Write section titles that are meaningful and will help users scan documents quickly 15:24:12 and easily. To speed scanning, help users quickly tell when sections don't contain what they are looking for. 15:24:36 restating the SC? 15:24:53 accessibility benefit? 15:25:18 serial access forced to skim. 15:25:39 2. Write section titles that clearly indicate the topic of their section. Each section should only cover one specific idea. 15:26:10 3. The first section title should let the user know why the page or document is important. 15:28:04 what is a section? 15:28:46 need defn of section? L3SC4 Section titles are descriptive. 15:29:21 4. Users should be able to get a summary or overview of the content by skimming just the section titles. Make the structure clear and obvious. 15:30:15 5-9 in email 15:30:34 would we have to replace "abstract" with "abstract for wcag 2.0" 15:33:05 -Diane_Stottlemyer 15:33:27 how much context can we assume for a title? 15:33:55 in this proposal, assume no context - can't even assume w/in the document 15:34:34 even if linking into middle of document should be able to get some context from title element 15:35:57 action: loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section 15:36:33 action 3 = loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section, propose examples for each technique to help us better understand, use the 1.1 mock-up to group techs into sufficient and optional 15:38:09 Guide for L3SC5, - looks good 15:38:33 action: john and bengt? work up guide for l3sc5 into template and submit to group 15:40:14 bengt has joined #wcag-teamb 15:41:05 HTML Technique for L3SC51: Use titles to summarise the content 15:41:08 HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title for translations of foreign passages or phrases 15:41:08 HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title to explain jokes 15:41:10 HTML Technique for L3SC5: using title to summarize or simplify content 15:42:47 several concerns: using title attribute or element? overloading title? difficult to define humor much less explain. 15:43:13 when the SC talks about a supplement to "text" is it the whole delivery unit or could it be anyone passage? 15:43:34 action: wendy to add thse to our "optional" bug 15:43:39 -Bengt_Farre 15:44:22 bengt has joined #wcag-teamb 15:44:27 HTML and CSS Techniques for L3SC5: Using role to specify structure and types of content 15:44:29 CSS Technique for L3SC5: Helping the user follow the structure of the document 15:44:35 add to optional bin 15:44:39 zakim, next item 15:44:39 agendum 2. "Latest on the definitions of Abbreviation/Acronym/initialism" taken up [from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0848.html] 15:44:57 +??P0 15:45:27 zakim, ??p0 is Bengt_Farre 15:45:27 +Bengt_Farre; got it 15:51:06 at SC level, don't distinguish between acronym and abbreviation because these are HTML-specific issues? 15:56:10 -Bengt_Farre 15:59:41 resolution: *not* propose combining of l3sc2 and sc3. 16:00:10 rellero has joined #wcag-teamb 16:00:51 action: becky repropose defn of abbreviation and acronym, propose SC w/out "acronym," draft guide for l3sc3, proposed a combined html technique for abbr and acronym 16:01:29 Hi, is now the call's time? 16:01:48 just ending 16:03:10 I'm sorry, made a mistake with time 16:08:09 -Becky_Gibson 16:08:10 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 16:08:10 WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended 16:08:10 no problem. 16:08:11 Attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Diane_Stottlemyer, Becky_Gibson, Bengt_Farre 16:08:17 chair: wendy 16:08:19 scribe: wendy 16:08:25 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:08:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-minutes.html wendy 16:08:46 rscano has joined #wcag-teamb 16:10:28 rscano has left #wcag-teamb 16:11:10 regrets: roberto scano, john slatin, roberto ellero 16:11:17 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:11:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-minutes.html wendy 16:14:17 RRSAgent, make logs world 16:14:26 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:14:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-minutes.html wendy 16:15:16 Meeting: Team B (task force) of the WCAG WG 16:15:41 RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:15:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-minutes.html wendy 16:21:22 zakim, bye 16:21:22 Zakim has left #wcag-teamb 16:21:25 RRSAgent, bye 16:21:25 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-actions.rdf : 16:21:25 ACTION: john? write guide for l3sc2, include options for 2 sufficient techniques (internal linking OR rel=glossary) [1] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-13-07 16:21:25 ACTION: becky write guide doc with the 4 sufficient techniques (Using inline expansion OR Using a Glossary page OR Searching an online dictionary of acronyms OR and Using a Dictionary Cascade.) - just choose one [2] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-19-45 16:21:25 ACTION: loretta and diane? - draft guide for l3sc4, propose defn of section, propose examples for each technique to help us better understand, use the 1.1 mock-up to group techs into sufficient and optional [3] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-35-57 16:21:25 ACTION: john and bengt? work up guide for l3sc5 into template and submit to group [4] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-38-33 16:21:25 ACTION: wendy to add thse to our "optional" bug [5] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T15-43-34 16:21:25 ACTION: becky repropose defn of abbreviation and acronym, propose SC w/out "acronym," draft guide for l3sc3, proposed a combined html technique for abbr and acronym [6] 16:21:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/21-wcag-teamb-irc#T16-00-51 16:21:29 wendy has left #wcag-teamb