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19:18:35 <wendy> zakim, this will be wcag
19:18:35 <Zakim> "wcag" matches WAI_WCAG(WCAG1)4:00PM, WAI_(WCAG2)4:00PM, and WAI_WCAG_(WCAG3)4:00PM, wendy
19:18:43 <wendy> zakim, this will be wcag1
19:18:43 <Zakim> ok, wendy; I see WAI_WCAG(WCAG1)4:00PM scheduled to start in 42 minutes
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20:00:00 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(WCAG1)4:00PM has now started
20:00:07 <Zakim> +??P1
20:00:46 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
20:01:59 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
20:02:10 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon
20:02:25 <wendy> zakim, code?
20:02:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), wendy
20:02:26 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:31 <ben_> zakim, ??P1 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:02:31 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:02:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:02:52 <ben_> zakim, who is here?
20:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_and_Ben, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, [IPcaller]
20:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see ben_, ColonelSmith, gregg, Gez, RRSAgent, Zakim, wendy
20:03:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
20:04:19 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:04:43 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
20:05:16 <ben_> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto
20:05:16 <Zakim> +Makoto; got it
20:05:53 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:06:44 <Zakim> -Makoto
20:06:53 <ben_> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:06:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_and_Ben, Gez_Lemon (muted), Christophe_Strobbe, [IPcaller.a], Alex_Li
20:07:16 <wendy> wendy has left #wcag-teama
20:08:05 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
20:08:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:08:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
20:09:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
20:11:02 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
20:11:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
20:11:45 <Zakim> +??P20
20:12:22 <Zakim> +??P16
20:15:40 <Zakim> + +064893aaaa
20:16:02 <Zakim> -??P20
20:16:17 <ben_> zakim, +064893aaa is David_MacDonald
20:16:17 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
20:16:22 <ben_> zakim who's on the phone?
20:17:02 <ben_> RRSAgent, pointer?
20:17:02 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/09/08-wcag-teama-irc#T20-17-02
20:17:10 <ben_> agenda?
20:17:47 <ben_> agenda+ What we have and don't.   
20:18:02 <ben_> agenda+ Key issues for this Guideline
20:18:13 <ben_> agenda+ Introduce the format (with new example)
20:18:21 <ben_> agenda+ Fill out the Guide Doc
20:18:39 <ben_> agenda+ Confirm success criteria
20:19:00 <ben_> agenda+ Action plan
20:19:12 <ben_> zakim, take up item 1
20:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "What we have and don't." taken up [from ben_]
20:19:21 <ben_> RRSAgent, make log world
20:19:30 <ben_> RRSagent, generate minutes
20:19:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/08-wcag-teama-minutes.html ben_
20:20:05 <ben_> Meeting: WCAG Team A Meeting
20:20:16 <ben_> chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:20:42 <ben_> Guideline 3.2: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#consistent-behavior
20:25:17 <ben_> q+
20:41:21 <ben_> new issue: how can L1 SC1 be violated? Is using scripting or other methods to rewrite the page/DOM at the same URI and same page title a violation?
20:43:27 <Zakim> -??P16
20:44:54 <ben_> issue: for L2 SC1, do we need to define "same order" to clarify that this does not apply to expanding navigation menus or sublists inserted in the middle?
20:44:59 <ben_> ack Gez
20:45:01 <ben_> ack Ben
20:45:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:45:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
20:46:16 <ben_> action: ben to draft a definition of "same order" to clarify above issue
20:46:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:47:22 <ben_> zakim, [IPcaller] is Takayuki_Watanabe
20:47:22 <Zakim> +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
20:47:33 <Zakim> -Takayuki_Watanabe
20:48:16 <Zakim> +??P16
20:48:57 <Zakim> -??P16
20:49:21 <Zakim> +??P16
20:49:51 <Zakim> -??P16
20:50:23 <ben_> guide doc should clarify what components are
20:52:16 <Gez> http://juicystudio.com/wcag/changecontext.html
20:53:30 <ColonelSmith> test 92: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test92.html
20:54:55 <ben_> new issue: should "user interface control" in the definition of change of context be removed or qualified?
20:57:24 <ben_> new issue: "complete change of content" should it say "significant"? "near-complete"? "80%" (ex. is leaving a logo or a navbar in place, but changing everything else a complete change?)
21:09:39 <ben_> new issue: L3 SC1 - Alex's traffic light example - is use of "the same" appropriate here? (perhaps revise to say, "graphical components that appear on multiple pages, including graphical links, are associated with the same functionality and text equivalent wherever they appear") 
21:12:15 <ben_> does the current wording of L3 SC1 imply that they should have the same functionality? if so, should we add?
21:17:14 <ben_> issue: does using script to validate form data (per guideline 2.5 example from Gez - http://juicystudio.com/wcag/validation.html) violate L3 SC2?
21:20:23 <ben_> agenda?
21:20:30 <ben_> zakim, close item 1
21:20:30 <Zakim> agendum 1, What we have and don't., closed
21:20:31 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:20:32 <Zakim> 2. Key issues for this Guideline [from ben_]
21:20:49 <ben_> zakim, close item 2
21:20:49 <Zakim> agendum 2, Key issues for this Guideline, closed
21:20:50 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:20:51 <Zakim> 3. Introduce the format (with new example) [from ben_]
21:21:01 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 3
21:21:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Introduce the format (with new example)" taken up [from ben_]
21:24:12 <ben_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/09/end-to-end/text-equiv-informative.html
21:24:37 <Zakim> + +39.064.893.aabb
21:24:52 <Zakim> + +1.213.408.aacc
21:49:05 <Zakim> - +39.064.893.aabb
21:51:18 <ben_> action: Christophe draft guide doc for L3 SC2
21:51:53 <ben_> action: Alex draft guide doc for L3 SC1
21:52:21 <ben_> action 3 = Alex draft guide doc for L2 SC1
21:52:53 <ben_> action: Gez draft guide doc for L2 SC2
21:55:52 <ben_> action: Neil draft guide doc for L2 SC3
22:00:05 <ben_> agenda?
22:00:11 <ben_> zakim, close item 3
22:00:11 <Zakim> agendum 3, Introduce the format (with new example), closed
22:00:12 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:00:13 <Zakim> 4. Fill out the Guide Doc [from ben_]
22:00:18 <ben_> zakim, close item 4
22:00:18 <Zakim> agendum 4, Fill out the Guide Doc, closed
22:00:19 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:00:20 <Zakim> 5. Confirm success criteria [from ben_]
22:00:26 <ben_> zakim, close item 5
22:00:26 <Zakim> agendum 5, Confirm success criteria, closed
22:00:27 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
22:00:28 <Zakim> 6. Action plan [from ben_]
22:01:28 <ben_> zakim, close item 6
22:01:28 <Zakim> agendum 6, Action plan, closed
22:01:29 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
22:02:28 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:02:30 <Zakim> - +1.213.408.aacc
22:02:31 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:02:32 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
22:02:32 <Zakim> -Gez_Lemon
22:02:47 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
22:06:09 <ColonelSmith> ColonelSmith has left #wcag-teama
22:07:48 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, David_MacDonald, in WAI_WCAG(WCAG1)4:00PM
22:07:50 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(WCAG1)4:00PM has ended
22:07:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Alex_Li, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto, +064893aaaa, David_MacDonald, Takayuki_Watanabe, +39.064.893.aabb, +1.213.408.aacc
22:12:00 <ben_> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:12:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/08-wcag-teama-minutes.html ben_
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22:24:33 <ben_> action: gregg draft guide doc for L1 SC1
22:27:38 <ben_> action: ben draft guide doc for L2 SC1
22:27:48 <ben_> action: david draft guide doc for L2 SC4
22:27:54 <ben_> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:27:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/08-wcag-teama-minutes.html ben_
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