IRC log of wai-wcag on 2003-10-09
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 20:03:07 [RRSAgent]
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- 20:03:09 [Zakim]
- +??P24
- 20:03:28 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.512.823.aaaa is Andi
- 20:03:28 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 20:03:46 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:03:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Ben, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Tom_Croucher, Avi_Arditti, Dave_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Andi,
- 20:03:49 [Zakim]
- ... ??P24
- 20:03:51 [rcastaldo]
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- 20:04:01 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 20:04:09 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P1 is Cynthia_Shelly
- 20:04:09 [Zakim]
- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
- 20:04:26 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P24 Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:04:26 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P24 Roberto_Castaldo', wendy
- 20:04:36 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P24 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:04:36 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
- 20:04:58 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, rcastaldo is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:04:58 [Zakim]
- sorry, sh1mmer, I do not recognize a party named 'rcastaldo'
- 20:05:13 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, Roberto_Castaldo is rcastaldo
- 20:05:13 [Zakim]
- +rcastaldo; got it
- 20:05:41 [Zakim]
- +Matt
- 20:06:54 [bcaldwell]
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- 20:07:47 [Zakim]
- +??P26
- 20:07:56 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P26 is Kerstin
- 20:07:56 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin; got it
- 20:09:41 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:09:48 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=322
- 20:09:51 [wendy]
- why only done once?
- 20:09:55 [wendy]
- (per Joe)
- 20:10:21 [rellero]
- Since two weeks the line with dialpad in italia is disturbed
- 20:10:56 [wendy]
- ack John
- 20:11:17 [m3mSEA]
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- 20:11:29 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:11:34 [wendy]
- demand doesn't matter (civil rights issue).
- 20:12:28 [wendy]
- education issue for both developers and users (about what is available and how to use it)
- 20:12:39 [wendy]
- ack Matt
- 20:13:40 [wendy]
- not a standard way to get the accessible data.
- 20:14:33 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 20:15:07 [wendy]
- since addition to content, core conformance?
- 20:15:20 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 20:16:55 [m3mSEA]
- q+
- 20:17:32 [wendy]
- ack m3m
- 20:18:29 [wendy]
- ack cynthia
- 20:21:02 [rellero]
- sorry i need to reboot
- 20:21:20 [rscano]
- http://www.webaim.org/howto/captions/
- 20:21:41 [wendy]
- ack John
- 20:23:04 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:23:28 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 20:24:35 [wendy]
- ack cynthia
- 20:24:41 [wendy]
- joe's phase-in idea
- 20:24:50 [rscano]
- zakim, ho is speaking?
- 20:24:50 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not understand your question
- 20:24:57 [rscano]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 20:25:10 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (27%), Tom_Croucher (4%)
- 20:25:44 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:26:06 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 20:26:24 [m3mSEA]
- q+
- 20:26:29 [wendy]
- ack John
- 20:27:30 [rellero]
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- 20:27:43 [wendy]
- ack m3m
- 20:28:14 [Zakim]
- +??P16
- 20:28:23 [wendy]
- p16 is rellero?
- 20:28:25 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:28:26 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:28:26 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'
- 20:28:28 [rscano]
- zakim, 01+??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:28:28 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '01+??P16'
- 20:28:31 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:28:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Ben, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano, Tom_Croucher, Avi_Arditti, Dave_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Andi, rcastaldo, Cynthia_Shelly, Matt,
- 20:28:34 [Zakim]
- ... Kerstin (muted), ??P16
- 20:28:37 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin
- 20:28:43 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:28:43 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'
- 20:28:45 [wendy]
- q?
- 20:28:48 [rscano]
- 01zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:28:53 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, Ben is Ben_Katie_Gregg
- 20:28:53 [Zakim]
- +Ben_Katie_Gregg; got it
- 20:29:22 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:29:22 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:29:39 [rellero]
- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
- 20:29:39 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 20:29:51 [rcastaldo]
- Ah.... troppa grazia:-)
- 20:29:59 [rcastaldo]
- sorry
- 20:30:01 [Zakim]
- +??P26
- 20:31:06 [rscano]
- who is P26? :)
- 20:31:12 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P26 may be Kerstin
- 20:31:12 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin?; got it
- 20:31:17 [wendy]
- q?
- 20:31:19 [wendy]
- ack DAve
- 20:31:24 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 20:31:52 [Pat]
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- 20:34:18 [wendy]
- summary: collated text transcript brings up captions and audio descriptions and joe's suggestion for phase-in approach. Not clear how to write phase-in in our format (and testable). Discussion of issues of writing captions and audio description.
- 20:35:52 [Pat]
- there are a developing sw by a JCR in Italy working out audio descriptions i can easily collect informations about if you do need them
- 20:36:28 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=262
- 20:36:33 [wendy]
- q?
- 20:36:56 [wendy]
- content conforms but accessible depends on who you talk to.
- 20:38:01 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:38:01 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:40:27 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=410
- 20:40:52 [wendy]
- ack John
- 20:41:31 [wendy]
- What is minimum tied to? "All functionality is operable through a keyboard or a keyboard interface."
- 20:41:52 [wendy]
- "at a minimum" added because concern for "can't use a mouse?"
- 20:42:40 [wendy]
- "must be by X, may be by others as well"
- 20:42:45 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 20:42:58 [wendy]
- "operable at least through keyboard interface"
- 20:43:25 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 20:43:30 [rellero]
- Unfortunately the noise increased with dialpad, I cannot follow with the phone
- 20:44:40 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=355
- 20:45:07 [wendy]
- people who have implemented are surprised at how much work it requires.
- 20:45:22 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:45:34 [wendy]
- no way to ensure a screen reader will pronouce words correctly.
- 20:46:03 [wendy]
- ack Loretta
- 20:46:29 [wendy]
- at least 2 screen readers support this technology. agree, difficult and expensive.
- 20:46:35 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 20:46:56 [m3mSEA]
- q+
- 20:47:10 [wendy]
- similar to conformance debate from last week. if difficult, does that matter? depends on conformance.
- 20:47:30 [wendy]
- ack John
- 20:47:53 [wendy]
- is this more appropriate in guideline 1? is it about making language perceivable?
- 20:48:12 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:48:25 [wendy]
- ack m3m
- 20:49:25 [wendy]
- if trying to get UA to be accessible, don't try to do it through WCAG. use UAAG.
- 20:49:27 [wendy]
- ack Cynthia
- 20:49:56 [wendy]
- not just difficult to implement, but what is the beneft?
- 20:50:08 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 20:50:58 [wendy]
- WCAG has to set a minimum and give people something to work with. Put it there so they can operate on it if they want to.
- 20:51:27 [wendy]
- Doing it automatically is difficult. Pronunciation affects understanding.
- 20:51:55 [wendy]
- ack Loretta
- 20:52:21 [wendy]
- disagree w/moving to guideline 1. no marking that says change language. more related to logical structure so can manipulate it with tools.
- 20:52:25 [wendy]
- ack Dave
- 20:52:40 [wendy]
- Poll screen readers users to determine if they find this important?
- 20:52:52 [wendy]
- ack Andi
- 20:53:36 [wendy]
- Nothing in core that changes content, but don't say that everything that doesn't change content has to go into core.
- 20:54:22 [GVAN]
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- 20:54:56 [wendy]
- ack Ben
- 20:55:17 [wendy]
- action John - look into idea of moving 3.1 into guideline 1
- 20:55:28 [wendy]
- action wendy and dave - consider polling AT users about language changes