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<sandro> Guest: Bobbin Teegarden,
<sandro> Guest: William (ww) Waites
<sandro> Guest: Paul (PaulZH) Hermans
<sandro> Present: Brand_Niemann, David_James, Ed_Summers, Fadi_Maali, George_Thomas, Jon_Phipps, Li_Ding, Luigi_Montanez, Martín_Álvarez, Michael_Hausenblas, Richard_Cyganiak, Vassilios Peristeras
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15:01:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
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15:01:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM already started
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15:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:21 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2010
15:01:30 <cygri> nice. thanks mhausenblas!
Richard Cyganiak: nice. thanks mhausenblas! ←
15:01:54 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-29
15:02:06 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
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15:02:10 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:02:12 <Zakim> +??P7
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15:02:25 <cygri> Chair: cygri
15:02:31 <cygri> Scribe: edsu
(Scribe set to Ed Summers)
15:02:52 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb (muted), edsu, ??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb (muted), edsu, ??P7 ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, n8fr8__, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, n8fr8__, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot ←
15:03:10 <Zakim> +jonphipps
Zakim IRC Bot: +jonphipps ←
15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:04:03 <Zakim> - +03539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +03539149aabb ←
15:04:46 <edsu> that's dc area
that's dc area ←
15:04:54 <Zakim> + +1.425.378.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.425.378.aacc ←
15:05:23 <Zakim> + +03539149aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +03539149aadd ←
15:06:00 <edsu> ww: are you on the call?
William Waites: are you on the call? ←
15:06:09 <PaulZH> I'm also calling IP
Paul Hermans: I'm also calling IP ←
15:06:57 <cygri> zakim, who is talking?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:07:08 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (9%), ??P8 (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (9%), ??P8 (9%) ←
15:07:18 <fadi> zakim, aabb is fadi
Fadi Maali: zakim, aabb is fadi ←
15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, fadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' ←
15:07:29 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:07:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), +03539149aadd (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), +03539149aadd (muted) ←
15:07:46 <cygri> zakim, aadd is fadi
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aadd is fadi ←
15:07:46 <Zakim> +fadi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it ←
15:08:09 <vassilios> vassilios also on IP phone
Vassilios Peristeras: vassilios also on IP phone ←
15:09:08 <cygri> zakim, aaaa is LuigiMontanez
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaaa is LuigiMontanez ←
15:09:08 <Zakim> +LuigiMontanez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LuigiMontanez; got it ←
15:09:16 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:09:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted) ←
15:09:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, ←
15:09:20 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:09:58 <edsu> Topic: Admin
15:10:21 <edsu> cygri: agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0084.html
Richard Cyganiak: agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0084.html ←
15:10:51 <edsu> ... we'll have a presentation from martin of ctic, and hopefully one from li ding of rpi
... we'll have a presentation from martin of ctic, and hopefully one from li ding of rpi ←
15:11:23 <edsu> ... time permitting i'd like to talk about the scope and deliverables of the group
... time permitting i'd like to talk about the scope and deliverables of the group ←
15:11:34 <edsu> ... and hopefully write those down on the wiki
... and hopefully write those down on the wiki ←
15:11:39 <edsu> Topic: Demos
15:12:13 <cygri> wiki page: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Datos_de_Asturias
Richard Cyganiak: wiki page: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Datos_de_Asturias ←
15:12:19 <edsu> martin: here at ctic we develop an open data solution in spain, a good proof of concept of the linked data solution
Martín Álvarez: here at ctic we develop an open data solution in spain, a good proof of concept of the linked data solution ←
15:12:59 <edsu> ... here you can see some metadata based on the VoID and Dublin Core vocabularies
... here you can see some metadata based on the VoID and Dublin Core vocabularies ←
15:13:24 <edsu> ... you can see license and provenance information, and the available data formats
... you can see license and provenance information, and the available data formats ←
15:13:47 <edsu> ... the generation of the catalog is using sparql and xslt
... the generation of the catalog is using sparql and xslt ←
15:14:29 <martin> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/CTIC_Dataset_List
Martín Álvarez: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/CTIC_Dataset_List ←
15:14:30 <edsu> ... we have a list of catalogs (a meta catalog)
... we have a list of catalogs (a meta catalog) ←
15:15:23 <edsu> ... similar to the deri dcat approach, title, description, license
... similar to the deri dcat approach, title, description, license ←
15:15:28 <martin> http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss
Martín Álvarez: http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss ←
15:15:40 <martin> http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map.html.en
Martín Álvarez: http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map.html.en ←
15:16:06 <edsu> ... also have a rss feed of the catalogs, which is used to geenrate a map of the catalogs
... also have a rss feed of the catalogs, which is used to geenrate a map of the catalogs ←
15:17:18 <edsu> cygri: you have used void for the data catalog, are the datasets in the catalog all available as rdf? this is not the case for most catalogs (e.g. data.gov)
Richard Cyganiak: you have used void for the data catalog, are the datasets in the catalog all available as rdf? this is not the case for most catalogs (e.g. data.gov) ←
15:17:38 <edsu> ... do you think it makes sense to use void when the dataset is not rdf?
... do you think it makes sense to use void when the dataset is not rdf? ←
15:18:21 <edsu> martin: i think void is by definition only for rdf data sets ... so i think no?
Martín Álvarez: i think void is by definition only for rdf data sets ... so i think no? ←
15:18:52 <edsu> cygri: that's what void was made for originally, but it possibly could be applied in a broader scope ... but i take your answer as saying you'd only use it for rdf data sets?
Richard Cyganiak: that's what void was made for originally, but it possibly could be applied in a broader scope ... but i take your answer as saying you'd only use it for rdf data sets? ←
15:19:04 <edsu> martin: i think void could be useful
Martín Álvarez: i think void could be useful ←
15:19:23 <cygri> zakim, who is here
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here ←
15:19:23 <Zakim> cygri, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:19:29 <edsu> mapstraction.addOverlay('http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss');
mapstraction.addOverlay('http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss'); ←
15:19:35 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:19:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted) ←
15:19:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, ←
15:19:40 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:20:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aaee ←
15:21:27 <edsu> cygri: do we have a new attendee from dc?
Richard Cyganiak: do we have a new attendee from dc? ←
15:21:48 <edsu> cygri: ok, it's brandt from epa in washington
Richard Cyganiak: ok, it's brandt from epa in washington ←
15:21:54 <cygri> zakim, aaee is brand
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaee is brand ←
15:21:54 <Zakim> +brand; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +brand; got it ←
15:23:04 <edsu> bobbin: i'm on the call too
Bobbin Teegarden: i'm on the call too ←
15:23:15 <cygri> zakim, aacc is bobbin
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aacc is bobbin ←
15:23:15 <Zakim> +bobbin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bobbin; got it ←
15:23:56 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:23:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, bobbin, fadi, brand
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, bobbin, fadi, brand ←
15:23:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, ←
15:24:01 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:24:25 <DavidJames> LuigiMontanez and I are sharing a conference phone
David James: LuigiMontanez and I are sharing a conference phone ←
15:24:43 <cygri> zakim, davidjames is with luigimontane
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, davidjames is with luigimontane ←
15:24:43 <Zakim> +davidjames; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidjames; got it ←
15:24:50 <cygri> zakim, davidjames is with luigimontanez
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, davidjames is with luigimontanez ←
15:24:50 <Zakim> davidjames was already listed in LuigiMontanez, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: davidjames was already listed in LuigiMontanez, cygri ←
15:24:51 <bobbin> Bobbin Teegarden, semantic consultant in Seattle
Bobbin Teegarden: Bobbin Teegarden, semantic consultant in Seattle ←
15:25:14 <edsu> cygri: seems like Li isn't going to make the call
Richard Cyganiak: seems like Li isn't going to make the call ←
15:25:21 <edsu> Topic: Deliverables
15:26:37 <edsu> cygri: there wasn't a clear consensus at the end of the last call, about defining an abstract vocabulary about the data you find in catalogs, and then we could have several different documents that explain how you could use these terms in a concrete syntax: rdf/xml, rdfa, atom, etc
Richard Cyganiak: there wasn't a clear consensus at the end of the last call, about defining an abstract vocabulary about the data you find in catalogs, and then we could have several different documents that explain how you could use these terms in a concrete syntax: rdf/xml, rdfa, atom, etc ←
15:26:54 <edsu> ... a couple of points were raised on the mailing list
... a couple of points were raised on the mailing list ←
15:27:13 <edsu> ... erik suggested we should be clear about the types of serices we want to enable
... erik suggested we should be clear about the types of serices we want to enable ←
15:27:27 <edsu> ... so that's where i would like to pick up
... so that's where i would like to pick up ←
15:27:40 <DavidJames> we're getting a lot of echo and delay on the line
David James: we're getting a lot of echo and delay on the line ←
15:28:20 <edsu> cygri: i sent an email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html
Richard Cyganiak: i sent an email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ←
15:28:50 <edsu> ... one deliverable might be use cases and requirements
... one deliverable might be use cases and requirements ←
15:29:20 <edsu> ... a second thing could be an rdf vocabulary and reference that lists the terms, which required/optional, examples
... a second thing could be an rdf vocabulary and reference that lists the terms, which required/optional, examples ←
15:29:56 <edsu> ... it would make sense to use some sort of formalism, uml, or perhaps rdf schema, since it will give us one possible way of deploying dcat data
... it would make sense to use some sort of formalism, uml, or perhaps rdf schema, since it will give us one possible way of deploying dcat data ←
15:30:55 <edsu> ... in the email the choice of concrete format maybe we should not decide on this yet ... if we have some clear requirements for using syndication formats for example ; or if we can do everything with rdfa -- it's hard to say before we know what requirements we have
... in the email the choice of concrete format maybe we should not decide on this yet ... if we have some clear requirements for using syndication formats for example ; or if we can do everything with rdfa -- it's hard to say before we know what requirements we have ←
15:31:23 <edsu> ... do you think we could delay the decision about the concrete format until we do use cases requuirements?
... do you think we could delay the decision about the concrete format until we do use cases requuirements? ←
15:31:23 <Zakim> + +1.518.495.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.495.aaff ←
15:31:34 <Zakim> - +1.518.495.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.495.aaff ←
15:31:50 <PaulZH> I do agree to postpone the decision
Paul Hermans: I do agree to postpone the decision ←
15:32:38 <Zakim> + +1.518.495.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.495.aagg ←
15:32:47 <edsu> edsu: i agree in principle, but it will take more time
Ed Summers: i agree in principle, but it will take more time ←
15:32:52 <LI_DING> hi
15:32:55 <LI_DING> li is joining
15:33:25 <edsu> Zakim, +1.518.495.aagg is LI_DING
Zakim, +1.518.495.aagg is LI_DING ←
15:33:25 <Zakim> +LI_DING; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LI_DING; got it ←
15:34:04 <edsu> LI_DING: we're reviewing cygri's proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html
Li Ding: we're reviewing cygri's proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ←
15:34:55 <edsu> cygri: i think by writing down use cases and requirements we'll get a better understanding about technical choices
Richard Cyganiak: i think by writing down use cases and requirements we'll get a better understanding about technical choices ←
15:35:30 <edsu> LI_DING: what is the current status, discussion the requirements?
Li Ding: what is the current status, discussion the requirements? ←
15:36:27 <edsu> cygri: yes, basically we're discussing whether we should abstract out of the concrete syntax, and write use cases and requirements
Richard Cyganiak: yes, basically we're discussing whether we should abstract out of the concrete syntax, and write use cases and requirements ←
15:37:22 <edsu> ... there doesn't seem to be a lot of disagreement or agreement with this
... there doesn't seem to be a lot of disagreement or agreement with this ←
15:37:55 <edsu> LI_DING: i want to hear more voices first i think
Li Ding: i want to hear more voices first i think ←
15:38:11 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:38:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri ←
15:38:23 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:38:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps (muted), ??P8, bobbin, fadi (muted), brand, LI_DING
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps (muted), ??P8, bobbin, fadi (muted), brand, LI_DING ←
15:38:25 <Zakim> LuigiMontanez has LuigiMontanez, davidjames
Zakim IRC Bot: LuigiMontanez has LuigiMontanez, davidjames ←
15:38:58 <DavidJames> Regarding http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ... I like the list of requirements.
David James: Regarding http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ... I like the list of requirements. ←
15:39:49 <DavidJames> The deliverables also look good to me.
David James: The deliverables also look good to me. ←
15:39:55 <edsu> LI_DING: i'd need more time to review the proposal, but i think we want to keep things as minimal as possible to get something out there quick, also i think we should keep use cases simple, how much do we want to get?
Li Ding: i'd need more time to review the proposal, but i think we want to keep things as minimal as possible to get something out there quick, also i think we should keep use cases simple, how much do we want to get? ←
15:40:19 <edsu> ... we should try to produce something actionable
... we should try to produce something actionable ←
15:41:37 <edsu> cygri: i don't hear any strong objection to moving forwards with the deliverables i outlined in the email ; for now we should continue working with this assumption
Richard Cyganiak: i don't hear any strong objection to moving forwards with the deliverables i outlined in the email ; for now we should continue working with this assumption ←
15:41:54 <LI_DING> one thing could be a challenge
Li Ding: one thing could be a challenge ←
15:42:03 <DavidJames> Can we ask everyone to vote (or something similar)?
David James: Can we ask everyone to vote (or something similar)? ←
15:42:34 <edsu> LI_DING: maybe we can have a challenge a deliverable: how many gov't data sets can you find?
Li Ding: maybe we can have a challenge a deliverable: how many gov't data sets can you find? ←
15:43:16 <edsu> ... lets grow the number of government data sets, more people using the vocabulary
... lets grow the number of government data sets, more people using the vocabulary ←
15:43:45 <edsu> cygri: but what does this mean for the format we want to design?
Richard Cyganiak: but what does this mean for the format we want to design? ←
15:44:10 <vassilios> i think it is not a matter of number of datasets but number of catalogues
Vassilios Peristeras: i think it is not a matter of number of datasets but number of catalogues ←
15:45:07 <Zakim> -brand
Zakim IRC Bot: -brand ←
15:45:22 <edsu> LI_DING: it's a parallel effort: one side we grow the datasets, and on the other we develop the terminology, vocabulary that can be used
Li Ding: it's a parallel effort: one side we grow the datasets, and on the other we develop the terminology, vocabulary that can be used ←
15:46:16 <edsu> cygri: DavidJames you asked whether we should do a vote, i'm not sure what point this would serve
Richard Cyganiak: DavidJames you asked whether we should do a vote, i'm not sure what point this would serve ←
15:46:33 <edsu> ... since there doesn't seem to be any strong disagreement
... since there doesn't seem to be any strong disagreement ←
15:46:43 <cygri> ack DavidJames
Richard Cyganiak: ack DavidJames ←
15:46:48 <edsu> DavidJames: i think it would be nice to hear the agreement
David James: i think it would be nice to hear the agreement ←
15:47:22 <edsu> cygri: i think this is something i'd like to do on the next call, rather than rushing it
Richard Cyganiak: i think this is something i'd like to do on the next call, rather than rushing it ←
15:47:35 <edsu> ... to make sure there is enough time
... to make sure there is enough time ←
15:47:49 <edsu> Topic: Use Cases
15:48:56 <edsu> cygri: we want to have use case or stories for what people want to be able to do: for example i want to be able to get a list of datasets from data.gov that are not supported by the current data.gov user interface
Richard Cyganiak: we want to have use case or stories for what people want to be able to do: for example i want to be able to get a list of datasets from data.gov that are not supported by the current data.gov user interface ←
15:49:22 <edsu> ... i'd be interested to hear about what use cases people on the call have
... i'd be interested to hear about what use cases people on the call have ←
15:49:32 <edsu> ... for standard formats for data catalogs
... for standard formats for data catalogs ←
15:49:42 <Zakim> -LI_DING
Zakim IRC Bot: -LI_DING ←
15:50:41 <edsu> martin: i'd like to be able to query multiple catalogs, to be able to query other geographic regions
Martín Álvarez: i'd like to be able to query multiple catalogs, to be able to query other geographic regions ←
15:51:16 <vassilios> cross-catalogue querying
Vassilios Peristeras: cross-catalogue querying ←
15:51:25 <edsu> cygri: so you want to be able to federate national catalogs into say a european union catalog?
Richard Cyganiak: so you want to be able to federate national catalogs into say a european union catalog? ←
15:51:47 <edsu> s/martin/vassilios/
s/martin/vassilios/ ←
15:52:00 <edsu> vassilios: yes
Vassilios Peristeras: yes ←
15:52:21 <george> (fed/state/local) gov agency independently published catalog using (some set of standard) vocab for dynamic aggregation of catalogs
George Thomas: (fed/state/local) gov agency independently published catalog using (some set of standard) vocab for dynamic aggregation of catalogs ←
15:52:55 <george> would like to see bottom up (as per Li - in use) drive basic (extensible) rdfs vocab convergence for w3c blessing
George Thomas: would like to see bottom up (as per Li - in use) drive basic (extensible) rdfs vocab convergence for w3c blessing ←
15:53:00 <edsu> DavidJames: for the nationaldatacatalog we'd like to consume data from other data catalogs, we'd like to have one uniform way of getting at catalog data
David James: for the nationaldatacatalog we'd like to consume data from other data catalogs, we'd like to have one uniform way of getting at catalog data ←
15:53:33 <edsu> ... for municipalities and state governments we'd like to do a similar thing, enabling federation across many levels
... for municipalities and state governments we'd like to do a similar thing, enabling federation across many levels ←
15:54:38 <edsu> george: i think i share the interest that david and luigi have ; would be great to have some sort of vocabulary at the w3c that reflects what's in use as much as possible
George Thomas: i think i share the interest that david and luigi have ; would be great to have some sort of vocabulary at the w3c that reflects what's in use as much as possible ←
15:54:42 <edsu> cygri: agreed
Richard Cyganiak: agreed ←
15:55:47 <edsu> martin: i think federation is soemthing i would like to do ; i agree with vassilios with his approach
Martín Álvarez: i think federation is soemthing i would like to do ; i agree with vassilios with his approach ←
15:55:56 <LI_DING> I was dropped from the call
Li Ding: I was dropped from the call ←
15:56:46 <edsu> cygri: it might be a good next step to draft this use case as a little document, to sketch how it could look in practice as a story
Richard Cyganiak: it might be a good next step to draft this use case as a little document, to sketch how it could look in practice as a story ←
15:56:47 <vassilios> i could help on this
Vassilios Peristeras: i could help on this ←
15:57:14 <edsu> ... there are a couple of other use cases on the mailing list, maybe we can get those into written form too
... there are a couple of other use cases on the mailing list, maybe we can get those into written form too ←
15:57:27 <vassilios> OK
15:57:55 <vassilios> and i thin kit is more or less the same whether we speak about EU or USA
Vassilios Peristeras: and i thin kit is more or less the same whether we speak about EU or USA ←
15:58:03 <edsu> cygri: would be great if you could start it, and we could see if other use cases are covered
Richard Cyganiak: would be great if you could start it, and we could see if other use cases are covered ←
15:58:33 <edsu> ACTION: vassilios to document a federation use case for dcat
ACTION: vassilios to document a federation use case for dcat ←
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15:58:48 <george> +1
George Thomas: +1 ←
15:58:48 <LuigiMontanez> yes, I have access
Luigi Montanez: yes, I have access ←
15:58:50 <LuigiMontanez> +1
Luigi Montanez: +1 ←
15:58:52 <DavidJames> +1
David James: +1 ←
15:58:56 <edsu> +1
+1 ←
15:58:56 <martin> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
15:58:58 <fadi> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
15:59:03 <edsu> cygri: wiki is ok?
Richard Cyganiak: wiki is ok? ←
15:59:17 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements ←
15:59:36 <edsu> cygri: great, there is a page where i've copy pasted stuff from the email, i propose we add subsections there, use this as a live document
Richard Cyganiak: great, there is a page where i've copy pasted stuff from the email, i propose we add subsections there, use this as a live document ←
15:59:53 <edsu> cygri: so that's it for this week, thank you all for joining in
Richard Cyganiak: so that's it for this week, thank you all for joining in ←
15:59:56 <DavidJames> thanks
David James: thanks ←
16:00:00 <george> thank you cygri
George Thomas: thank you cygri ←
16:00:01 <cygri> thanks all!
Richard Cyganiak: thanks all! ←
16:00:06 <LuigiMontanez> thank you cygri, edsu for transcribing
Luigi Montanez: thank you cygri, edsu for transcribing ←
16:00:06 <vassilios> thank you!
Vassilios Peristeras: thank you! ←
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16:00:18 <george> thanks edsu
George Thomas: thanks edsu ←
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16:00:25 <edsu> np :-)
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16:00:39 <edsu> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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16:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html edsu
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16:00:51 <Zakim> -bobbin
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16:01:05 <cygri> ok, chairing a teleconference from a conference hallway is a bad idea. i won't try that again :-)
Richard Cyganiak: ok, chairing a teleconference from a conference hallway is a bad idea. i won't try that again :-) ←
16:01:19 <edsu> cygri: heheh, any news from www2010?
Richard Cyganiak: heheh, any news from www2010? ←
16:01:21 <george> wish i was there!
George Thomas: wish i was there! ←
16:01:36 <bobbin> zakim?
Bobbin Teegarden: zakim? ←
16:02:08 <cygri> edsu, yes, many interesting things going on. great conference so far
Richard Cyganiak: edsu, yes, many interesting things going on. great conference so far ←
16:02:10 <edsu> shoot, the minutes don't look to good
shoot, the minutes don't look to good ←
16:02:17 <edsu> http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html
http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html ←
16:02:31 <cygri> bobbin, what do you want zakim to do?
Richard Cyganiak: bobbin, what do you want zakim to do? ←
16:02:51 <bobbin> +1
Bobbin Teegarden: +1 ←
16:03:19 <edsu> cygri: it does look good
Richard Cyganiak: it does look good ←
16:03:26 <edsu> (the conference)
(the conference) ←
16:03:40 <edsu> cygri: have you and Li had a chance to chat about stuff informally?
Richard Cyganiak: have you and Li had a chance to chat about stuff informally? ←
16:03:40 <cygri> edsu, the minutes look good to me?
Richard Cyganiak: edsu, the minutes look good to me? ←
16:03:51 <edsu> oh, they do look better now when i reloaded
oh, they do look better now when i reloaded ←
16:04:02 <cygri> edsu, yes we had dinner yesterday and are planning a few things
Richard Cyganiak: edsu, yes we had dinner yesterday and are planning a few things ←
16:04:08 <edsu> cygri: nice
Richard Cyganiak: nice ←
16:04:26 <edsu> cygri: i think having you and Li on the same page will help a great deal
Richard Cyganiak: i think having you and Li on the same page will help a great deal ←
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16:04:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb, edsu, jonphipps, +1.425.378.aacc, +03539149aadd, fadi, LuigiMontanez, +1.202.564.aaee, brand, bobbin, davidjames,
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16:06:27 <cygri> edsu, agreed
Richard Cyganiak: edsu, agreed ←
16:07:03 <cygri> will go now and see if they left any lunch for me
Richard Cyganiak: will go now and see if they left any lunch for me ←
16:07:10 <cygri> thanks for scribing and the comments ed
Richard Cyganiak: thanks for scribing and the comments ed ←
17:40:23 <ww> edsu: sorry wasn't able to make it today
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Ed Summers: sorry wasn't able to make it today [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ] ←
17:41:05 <ww> would have liked to bring up the spatial/temporal ambiguity of dcat:granularity though
William Waites: would have liked to bring up the spatial/temporal ambiguity of dcat:granularity though ←
17:56:42 <ww> cygri: do you think it would be reasonable to distinguish between spatial and temporal granularity/resolution in dcat?
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Richard Cyganiak: do you think it would be reasonable to distinguish between spatial and temporal granularity/resolution in dcat? [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ] ←
17:58:11 <ww> (nevermind datasets that have different granularity on their different axes, which happens with some envionmental satellite datasets for example)
William Waites: (nevermind datasets that have different granularity on their different axes, which happens with some envionmental satellite datasets for example) ←
17:58:12 <cygri> ww, i'll have to talk to fadi to remember why we didn't distinguish them. can i get back to you about this next week?
Richard Cyganiak: ww, i'll have to talk to fadi to remember why we didn't distinguish them. can i get back to you about this next week? ←
17:58:27 <ww> sure no hurry
William Waites: sure no hurry ←
18:04:36 <ww> any thoughts on rdf:graph, rdf:Graph?
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William Waites: any thoughts on rdf:graph, rdf:Graph? ←
18:09:50 <cygri> ww, what are those?
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Richard Cyganiak: ww, what are those? ←
18:10:21 <ww> well, they don't exist, which I think is problematic
William Waites: well, they don't exist, which I think is problematic ←
18:10:51 <ww> using the talis changeset, vocabulary, for example, changes are expressed as additions and removals of reified triples
William Waites: using the talis changeset, vocabulary, for example, changes are expressed as additions and removals of reified triples ←
18:11:10 <ww> i need a way to express the graph that those triples are supposed to live in
William Waites: i need a way to express the graph that those triples are supposed to live in ←
18:11:19 <ww> (not strictly related to egov as such, of couse)
William Waites: (not strictly related to egov as such, of couse) ←
18:11:34 <ww> we have rdf:Statement, rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, rdf:object
William Waites: we have rdf:Statement, rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, rdf:object ←
18:11:40 <ww> but no rdf:graph
William Waites: but no rdf:graph ←
18:12:03 <ww> I suppose because I believe that named graphs were added after the rdf core vocabulary was etched in stone
William Waites: I suppose because I believe that named graphs were added after the rdf core vocabulary was etched in stone ←
18:13:19 <ww> for my immediate purposes I've invented a namespace for this, but...
William Waites: for my immediate purposes I've invented a namespace for this, but... ←
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