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21:57:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-egov-irc ←
21:58:55 <Sarah> Guest: Tim Vollmer , Sarah Hinchcliff Pearson
21:58:56 <Sarah> Guest: Sarah Hinchcliff Pearson
21:58:55 <Sarah> Guest: Anne Fitzgerald
21:58:56 <bhandspicker> I'm driving but listening
Brian Handspicker: I'm driving but listening ←
21:58:57 <rachel> here
Rachel Flagg: here ←
21:58:58 <gannon> here
Gannon Dick: here ←
21:58:59 <brand> here
Brand Niemann: here ←
21:59:00 <tlr> here
Thomas Roessler: here ←
22:00:04 <tvol> hi i'm tvol, aka Timothy Vollmer from Creative Commons. I'm calling in from Mountain View, CA.
Tim Vollmer: hi i'm tvol, aka Timothy Vollmer from Creative Commons. I'm calling in from Mountain View, CA. ←
22:00:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sarah, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, gdick, annew, davemc, tvol, MacTed, VanjaO, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sarah, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, gdick, annew, davemc, tvol, MacTed, VanjaO, trackbot, sandro ←
22:02:22 <tvol> we have slides if anyone wants to follow along.
Tim Vollmer: we have slides if anyone wants to follow along. ←
22:02:44 <davemc> yes please (to slides
Dave McAllister: yes please (to slides ←
22:02:53 <PhilA2> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
22:02:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2 ←
22:04:04 <annew> Can you send a link for the materials?
Anne Washington: Can you send a link for the materials? ←
22:05:41 <Jeanne_> eGov IG was the name of the Zakim telecon
Jeanne Holm: eGov IG was the name of the Zakim telecon ←
22:06:36 <Bhyland> Speakers today are Dr. Anne Fitzgerald, University of Queensland, http://www.law.qut.edu.au/staff/facstaff/afitzgerald.jsp --Sarah Pearson and team, Creative Commons, http://creativecommons.org/ Agenda: --Licensing issues for open data and government services --Impacts of licensing choices on providers and consumers of data and services --Looking at specific uses of Creative Commons --Open questions
Bernadette Hyland: Speakers today are Dr. Anne Fitzgerald, University of Queensland, http://www.law.qut.edu.au/staff/facstaff/afitzgerald.jsp --Sarah Pearson and team, Creative Commons, http://creativecommons.org/ Agenda: --Licensing issues for open data and government services --Impacts of licensing choices on providers and consumers of data and services --Looking at specific uses of Creative Commons --Open questions ←
22:07:20 <annew> Presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file
Anne Washington: Presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file ←
22:08:24 <Bhyland> Topic: general awareness raising on licensing structures and licenses that are being used for eGov content.
22:09:20 <Bhyland> @Jeanne do you have a scribe or want want for this meeting?
Bernadette Hyland: @Jeanne do you have a scribe or want want for this meeting? ←
22:10:30 <Jeanne_> Bernadette, yes I do need a scribe. Would you be willing to do so?
Jeanne Holm: Bernadette, yes I do need a scribe. Would you be willing to do so? ←
22:10:56 <Bhyland> Jim and Sarah Pearson and the Creative Commons team are calling in from California
Bernadette Hyland: Timothy Vollmer and Sarah Pearson and the Creative Commons team are calling in from California ←
22:11:56 <bgryth> Is anyone else having a problem downloading the slide deck?
Brian Gryth: Is anyone else having a problem downloading the slide deck? ←
22:11:58 <Bhyland> @jeanne, I can as long as Net access holds while I'm a passenger in a car on I-95.
Bernadette Hyland: @jeanne, I can as long as Net access holds while I'm a passenger in a car on I-95. ←
22:12:17 <davemc> I got it but it took two tries
Dave McAllister: I got it but it took two tries ←
22:13:16 <PhilA2> chair: Jeanne Holm
22:13:27 <PhilA2> scribe: Bhyland
(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)
22:13:46 <PhilA2> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2011Dec/0020.html
22:13:57 <Bhyland> Jeanne- can you put the link to the slides in IRC please
Jeanne- can you put the link to the slides in IRC please ←
22:14:12 <PhilA2> Slides now http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file
Phil Archer: Slides now http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file ←
22:15:04 <Jeanne_> Bgryth: It should be the first link on the page at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file then right click and "save as" will be a clean download
Brian Gryth: It should be the first link on the page at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/index.php?title=File:W3c_eGov_License_CC.pptx&oldid=3252#file then right click and "save as" will be a clean download [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←
22:16:40 <Bhyland> s/Jim/Timothy Vollmer
22:16:59 <bgryth> @Jeanne thank worked perfectly.
Brian Gryth: @Jeanne thank worked perfectly. ←
22:17:45 <Bhyland> Tim described many different government uses of the CC-0 license, see the presentation associated with this talk.
Tim described many different government uses of the CC-0 license, see the presentation associated with this talk. ←
22:18:01 <PhilA2> present+ Jeanne_Holm, Anne_Washington, Brian_Gryth, Dave_McAllister, Gannon_Dick, Rachel_Flagg
Phil Archer: present+ Jeanne_Holm, Anne_Washington, Brian_Gryth, Dave_McAllister, Gannon_Dick, Rachel_Flagg ←
22:20:23 <Bhyland> US Gov't uses CC licenses and there is recent precedent for use of the CC-BY license by the US Dept of Labor and Dept of Education which is a notable new development.
US Gov't uses CC licenses and there is recent precedent for use of the CC-BY license by the US Dept of Labor and Dept of Education which is a notable new development. ←
22:22:59 <Bhyland> Sarah speaking on the importance of publishing content with a license. First, legal certainty of use of content is important.
Sarah speaking on the importance of publishing content with a license. First, legal certainty of use of content is important. ←
22:24:02 <Bhyland> Additionally, Interoperability, notice, And metadata. Again, providing certainty for use of content.
Additionally, Interoperability, notice, And metadata. Again, providing certainty for use of content. ←
22:27:21 <Jeanne_> Sarah noted that CC alows use without endorsement, avoids misrepresentation, and protects the insignia or brand of the publisher
Jeanne Holm: Sarah noted that CC alows use without endorsement, avoids misrepresentation, and protects the insignia or brand of the publisher ←
22:27:25 <Bhyland> Creative Commons licensing addresses issues to ensure credit, No endorsement, No misrepresentation. Insignias and brands are not affected by use in CC licensed content.
Creative Commons licensing addresses issues to ensure credit, No endorsement, No misrepresentation. Insignias and brands are not affected by use in CC licensed content. ←
22:28:26 <Bhyland> Tim: CC-0 offers content into the Public Domain, including database rights. It is the gold standard.
Tim Vollmer: CC-0 offers content into the Public Domain, including database rights. It is the gold standard. ←
22:28:44 <Jeanne_> More on the CC Zero tool can be found at http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
Jeanne Holm: More on the CC Zero tool can be found at http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ ←
22:31:40 <Jeanne_> Jeanne is scribe
Jeanne Holm: Jeanne is scribe ←
22:32:07 <Jeanne_> Sarah: there are other options as well, including the open data commons that applies only to databases.
Sarah Pearson: there are other options as well, including the open data commons that applies only to databases. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←
22:32:22 <Jeanne_> CC applies to the databases as well as the content and the database structure.
Jeanne Holm: CC applies to the databases as well as the content and the database structure. ←
22:32:48 <Jeanne_> Attribution content is a little difficult, and more flexibility is in the CC rather than the ODC
Jeanne Holm: Attribution content is a little difficult, and more flexibility is in the CC rather than the ODC ←
22:33:09 <PhilA2> The UK Gov Licence is at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/open-government-licence.htm
Phil Archer: The UK Gov Licence is at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/open-government-licence.htm ←
22:33:25 <Jeanne_> Sarah: the UK Open Government license is also used
Sarah Pearson: the UK Open Government license is also used [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←
22:33:31 <PhilA2> scribe: Jeanne_
(Scribe set to Jeanne Holm)
22:33:46 <Jeanne_> Sarah: Custom licenses can be used as well, but can provide interoperability issues for developers and consumers of the data
Sarah Pearson: Custom licenses can be used as well, but can provide interoperability issues for developers and consumers of the data ←
22:34:14 <Jeanne_> Sarah: CC has just launched the public discussion on version 4.0
Sarah Pearson: CC has just launched the public discussion on version 4.0 ←
22:34:16 <tvol> more info on 4.0 here: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0
Tim Vollmer: more info on 4.0 here: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0 ←
22:34:36 <tvol> we invite your participation of course!
Tim Vollmer: we invite your participation of course! ←
22:34:57 <Jeanne_> Sarah: Some governments have had issues with the current licenses looking at database rights, internationalization (drafting conventions), interoperability, and simplifying attribution
Sarah Pearson: Some governments have had issues with the current licenses looking at database rights, internationalization (drafting conventions), interoperability, and simplifying attribution ←
22:35:46 <Jeanne_> Sarah: These are the big topic areas considering for version 4.0
Sarah Pearson: These are the big topic areas considering for version 4.0 ←
22:36:32 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
22:37:31 <PhilA2> Jeanne_: Govs at different levels around the world are publishing open data, thinking of members of the IG not present this eve, what should developing countries be looking for?
Jeanne Holm: Govs at different levels around the world are publishing open data, thinking of members of the IG not present this eve, what should developing countries be looking for? ←
22:37:39 <PhilA2> Sarah: First thing is to work out who actually owns the rights
Sarah Pearson: First thing is to work out who actually owns the rights ←
22:37:43 <Jeanne_> Jeanne_: What are some of the common issues that need to be resolved before a city or country can make decisions about licensing?
Jeanne Holm: What are some of the common issues that need to be resolved before a city or country can make decisions about licensing? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←
22:37:46 <PhilA2> ... sounds simple but it may not be
... sounds simple but it may not be ←
22:37:56 <PhilA2> ... privacy law also comes in
... privacy law also comes in ←
22:37:57 <Jeanne_> Sarah: Determine who owns the data, which can be complicated.
Sarah Pearson: Determine who owns the data, which can be complicated. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←
22:38:26 <Jeanne_> Thanks Phil!
Jeanne Holm: Thanks Phil! ←
22:38:27 <Bhyland> Sarah: RE: first step to attaching a license is to figure out WHO owns the data to begin with before determining which CC or open license to apply.
Sarah Pearson: RE: first step to attaching a license is to figure out WHO owns the data to begin with before determining which CC or open license to apply. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
22:39:01 <Bhyland> Second are privacy related. Is there any personally identifiable I fo pp
Bernadette Hyland: Second are privacy related. Is there any personally identifiable information. ←
22:39:06 <PhilA2> Present+ Brand_Niemann, Thomas_Roessler
Present+ Brand_Niemann, Thomas_Roessler ←
22:39:16 <PhilA2> scribe: Bhyland
(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)
22:40:00 <Bhyland> s/I fo pp/information.
22:40:43 <Jeanne_> Are the any questions from the chat group here?
Jeanne Holm: Are the any questions from the chat group here? ←
22:40:44 <Bhyland> Jeanne asked about associating a license with data.gov content.
Jeanne asked about associating a license with data.gov content. ←
22:42:01 <Bhyland> Sarah: while USG is made available under the public domain, that is true in the US but not necessarily outside of the US. Thus, content may not have the impact desired.
Sarah Pearson: while USG is made available under the public domain, that is true in the US but not necessarily outside of the US. Thus, content may not have the impact desired. ←
22:42:17 <PhilA2> So far I have http://www.aupsi.org/presentations
Phil Archer: So far I have http://www.aupsi.org/presentations ←
22:42:21 <Bhyland> Www.aupsi.org
Www.aupsi.org ←
22:42:45 <Bhyland> www.aupsi.org/presentations
www.aupsi.org/presentations ←
22:44:24 <Bhyland> Brian from Cclorado asked a question about database rights in the US
Brian from Cclorado asked a question about database rights in the US ←
22:46:39 <Bhyland> AnneFitzgerald spoke on international treatment of database rights. There is no clear dividing line on what is protected and what is not. It is largely based on precedent.
AnneFitzgerald spoke on international treatment of database rights. There is no clear dividing line on what is protected and what is not. It is largely based on precedent. ←
22:47:07 <Bhyland> Brian McGrath, involved with NGO in State of Colorado.
Brian Gryth, involved with NGO in State of Colorado. ←
22:47:35 <PhilA2> Present+ Brain McGrath
Phil Archer: Present+ Brain McGrath ←
22:47:44 <Bhyland> Attorney, but not copyright expert... Looking to use a CC license if at all possible.
Attorney, but not copyright expert... Looking to use a CC license if at all possible. ←
22:48:24 <PhilA2> Maybe this one for example http://www.aupsi.org/presentations/documents/Neale-Hooper-JamesCookUniversityCairns16November2011.pptx (it's the most recent)
Phil Archer: Maybe this one for example http://www.aupsi.org/presentations/documents/Neale-Hooper-JamesCookUniversityCairns16November2011.pptx (it's the most recent) ←
22:50:48 <Bhyland> AnneF: pointed to a wealth of presentations that detail what she is speaking about, www.aupsi.org/presentations. There is a lot of AU precedent for geospatial content, Gov't datasets for natural disasters.
Anne Fitzgerald: pointed to a wealth of presentations that detail what she is speaking about, www.aupsi.org/presentations. There is a lot of AU precedent for geospatial content, Gov't datasets for natural disasters. ←
22:51:31 <davemc> I've got to drop at 3 PDT for a call on Accessibility. sorry for the conflict.
Dave McAllister: I've got to drop at 3 PDT for a call on Accessibility. sorry for the conflict. ←
22:51:46 <Jeanne_> Thanks for joining us Dave!
Jeanne Holm: Thanks for joining us Dave! ←
22:51:56 <PhilA2> Present Anne_Fitzgerald
Phil Archer: Present Anne_Fitzgerald ←
22:52:17 <Bhyland> AU geospatial community have been the pioneers of a simplified licensing model circa 2005.
AU geospatial community have been the pioneers of a simplified licensing model circa 2005. ←
22:52:38 <bgryth> @Bhyland it is Brian Gryth.
Brian Gryth: @Bhyland it is Brian Gryth. ←
22:52:52 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
22:53:13 <Bhyland> Beginnings of the proposal was based on CC framework by 2006. By 2010, they had a completed framework.
Beginnings of the proposal was based on CC framework by 2006. By 2010, they had a completed framework. ←
22:53:56 <Bhyland> s/Brian McGrath/Brian Gryth
22:54:46 <Bhyland> CC-BY is being accepted by AU Gov't at local, state and national level.
CC-BY is being accepted by AU Gov't at local, state and national level. ←
22:56:12 <Bhyland> AU geospatial people, the data creators and custodians drove this. The Queensland Gov helped pioneer this work.
AU geospatial people, the data creators and custodians drove this. The Queensland Gov helped pioneer this work. ←
22:57:41 <Bhyland> AnneF: in 2011 the environmental science community has really pursued use of CC licenses and identify which one is right for their needs.
Anne Fitzgerald: in 2011 the environmental science community has really pursued use of CC licenses and identify which one is right for their needs. ←
22:57:54 <Bhyland> Note - Australia is different...
Note - Australia is different... ←
22:58:31 <Bhyland> Different than many Gov't that don't assert a government copyright.
Different than many Gov't that don't assert a government copyright. ←
22:59:41 <Bhyland> AnneF: AU has a sophisticated understanding and wide uptake in the use of CC licenses. This has rea
Anne Fitzgerald: AU has a sophisticated understanding and wide uptake in the use of CC licenses. This has rea ←
23:00:14 <Bhyland> Really helped strengthen reuse and new (derivative?) works.
Really helped strengthen reuse and new (derivative?) works. ←
23:00:53 <PhilA2> Bhyland: Thanks to Sarah, Tim and Anne for the presentations. Can you tell us about some of the lessons learned about how you brought people up the learning curve
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks to Sarah, Tim and Anne for the presentations. Can you tell us about some of the lessons learned about how you brought people up the learning curve [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
23:01:11 <PhilA2> ... was it through guidelines? Reaching the stewards of the data?
Phil Archer: ... was it through guidelines? Reaching the stewards of the data? ←
23:01:26 <PhilA2> ... I'm more concerned with data on the Web
Phil Archer: ... I'm more concerned with data on the Web ←
23:01:50 <PhilA2> AnneF: That's a hard question. In Au we didn't have as clear cut a position as in the US for a policy framework
Anne Fitzgerald: That's a hard question. In Au we didn't have as clear cut a position as in the US for a policy framework [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
23:02:52 <PhilA2> ... that was a big issue. Getting people to see where the international direction of travel was heading
Phil Archer: ... that was a big issue. Getting people to see where the international direction of travel was heading ←
23:03:05 <tvol> anne mentioned OMB. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a130_a130trans4
Tim Vollmer: anne mentioned OMB. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a130_a130trans4 ←
23:03:13 <Bhyland> AnneF: in the US Gov, there is no copyright ascribed in data.... There is clear policy framework prescribed by the US OMB. In AU, this was not the case. The AU open Gov't day
Anne Fitzgerald: in the US Gov, there is no copyright ascribed in data.... There is clear policy framework prescribed by the US OMB. In AU, this was not the case. The AU open Gov't data advocates. ←
23:03:30 <Bhyland> s/day/data advocates.
23:04:17 <Bhyland> Worked with Open Access data through the major agencies with publishable data, eg geospatial camp,
Worked with Open Access data through the major agencies with publishable data, eg geospatial camp, ←
23:06:03 <Bhyland> In in AU, circa 2004-2005 there was a lot of person to person advocacy with key agencies, eg AU Bureau of Statistics and Geodata
In in AU, circa 2004-2005 there was a lot of person to person advocacy with key agencies, eg AU Bureau of Statistics and Geodata ←
23:06:48 <Bhyland> s/Geodata
s/Geodata ←
23:07:42 <Bhyland> There needs to be senior and experienced people who can speak knowledgeably about copyright law with public sector employees.
There needs to be senior and experienced people who can speak knowledgeably about copyright law with public sector employees. ←
23:08:28 <Bhyland> We have advantage of the uptake of CC-BY licenses by other governments around the world.
We have advantage of the uptake of CC-BY licenses by other governments around the world. ←
23:08:37 <PhilA2> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
23:11:55 <PhilA2> Worth dropping this into the IRC http://creativecommons.org.au/
Phil Archer: Worth dropping this into the IRC http://creativecommons.org.au/ ←
23:12:01 <Bhyland> AnneF: explained nuances of CC-BY attribution. There are a bunch of fact sheets on the AU Creative Commons website.
Anne Fitzgerald: explained nuances of CC-BY attribution. There are a bunch of fact sheets on the AU Creative Commons website. ←
23:16:33 <PhilA2> Lots of materials available at http://creativecommons.org.au/learn-more including videos, talks etc.
Phil Archer: Lots of materials available at http://creativecommons.org.au/learn-more including videos, talks etc. ←
23:17:11 <PhilA2> Next meeting is 17 Jan 2012
Phil Archer: Next meeting is 17 Jan 2012 ←
23:17:22 <PhilA2> Jeanne_: invites agenda items
Jeanne Holm: invites agenda items [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
23:17:43 <PhilA2> ... hoping to talk about CKAN etc.
Phil Archer: ... hoping to talk about CKAN etc. ←
23:18:23 <PhilA2> Jeanne_: Thanks to Bernadette for scribing
Jeanne Holm: Thanks to Bernadette for scribing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
23:18:32 <tvol> thanks everyone please feel to send other questions tvol@creativecommons.org
Tim Vollmer: thanks everyone please feel to send other questions tvol@creativecommons.org ←
23:18:33 <PhilA2> ... and to everyone for sharing knowledge today
Phil Archer: ... and to everyone for sharing knowledge today ←
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