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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 September 2017

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Present: Glenn, Thierry, Nigel

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Regrets: Andreas

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Chair: Nigel

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scribe: nigel

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Nigel: Apologies for the late start!

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Topic: This meeting

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Nigel: Today, we have: TPAC (including demos?), IMSC, TTML.

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Thierry: Also David Singer requested I send a reminder for the WebVTT review. It sounds

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.. reasonable but I want everybody's opinion because it's a bit of a clash with the recent

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.. request we've had for TTML2, but I think we have no other solution.

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Nigel: Okay we'll add WebVTT to the agenda.

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Nigel: Any other business or particular points to cover today?

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Present+ Pierre, Mike

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Pierre: I need to drop off no later than 1 hour from now.

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Mike: I'm also conflicted at the top of the hour.

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Nigel: Okay let's go then!

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Topic: TPAC

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Nigel: Dominique reminded me that in June I offered that the TTWG would like to present a demo during the TPAC demo session on the Wednesday.

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.. What I proposed originally was that we demonstrate the styling features in TTML that

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.. we have and would like to see implemented also in CSS, as it's a good forum for

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.. disseminating that information and driving interest.

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.. What do you think? Is that a good idea?

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.. I don't mind doing it, especially if I can have some help putting it together - I guess

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.. the thing to do would be to show the features that we think are somehow highest in

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.. priority.

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Pierre: Okay, yes.

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Pierre: What about using imsc.js as the basis for that? Showing all the workarounds we

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.. had to do to achieve the desired effects?

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Nigel: Yes, sounds good.

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Pierre: If we just complain for 30 minutes it wouldn't look great!

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Nigel: +1

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Pierre: We can think about that, find a way to make it both fun and instructive, and

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.. highlight things we'd like to do that are difficult now.

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Nigel: Sounds good to me.

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Pierre: We can work offline and see if we can find a way to do it.

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Nigel: Okay, let's do it. Anyone else want to be involved?

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Nigel: Moving on to the agenda.

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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2017 TPAC TTWG schedule wiki page

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Nigel: Thanks for adding your names!

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Nigel: Looking at the agenda, I don't think anyone has added anything yet, so please could

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.. we focus on it next week?

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ACTION: nigel Add TTWG TPAC2017 wiki page to next agenda by 2017-09-12

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Created ACTION-505 - Add ttwg tpac2017 wiki page to next agenda by 2017-09-12 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2017-09-14].

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Topic: IMSC

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Nigel: I wanted to note that on behalf of BBC I've posted our gstreamer patch as an

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.. implementation on the implementation report page for IMSC 1.0.1

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Pierre: Thanks for posting that

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Nigel: It'd be good to have another pair of eyes verify the screenshot, because there's

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.. subtlety there and it's good to have an independent view not from the contributing

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.. organisation.

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Pierre: I'll have a look.

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Nigel: Thank you

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Glenn: The two screengrabs look fine to me.

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Nigel: Great, thank you.

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.. Now the pressure is on to find a second implementation...

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Glenn: We have support for activeArea already in TTV but it's just parsing it and verifying

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.. its correctness.

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Nigel: Formally, I think that's all that's needed.

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.. If you could send notification of that formally to the group that would be really helpful.

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Glenn: Okay, sure.

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Nigel: Thank you.

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Topic: TTML2 Review

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action-503?

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action-503 -- Thierry Michel to Send a reminder to groups for ttml2 review by 8th september -- due 2017-08-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/503

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Nigel: Thierry, I think you've done this?

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Thierry: Yes I have.

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Nigel: Thank you!

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close action-503

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Closed action-503.

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Glenn: I've added horizontal review "comment disposed" to the 8 closed issues previously

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.. labelled "horizontal review comment". This marks disposal of comments received during

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.. the review process. For the others it wouldn't harm to have a label indicating that the

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.. WG has reviewed it.

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Nigel: Do you mean to indicate the WG has agreed the disposition and we are awaiting confirmation from the commenter?

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Glenn: It would probably be useful to note that the WG reviewed the non-review issues

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.. from within the group also. There were a number of issues posted by members that were

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.. not marked as review comments originally. I'd say most of our issues in the past have

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.. fallen into that category.

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.. The alternative is I change the new label just to "WG disposed" and use that for all of

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.. the items that the WG has reviewed.

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.. It was not my intent to mark that we have had confirmation of the disposition from the commenter,

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.. just that the WG has agreed what to do.

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Nigel: My interpretation is that we need a different label for "WG disposition agreed" and the

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.. current "comment disposed" issue means that we have given a sufficient opportunity for

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.. the original commenter to feed back on the WG disposition.

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.. The main user for these labels will likely be Thierry. Does this make sense to you Thierry?

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Thierry: Yes, I'll have a look and check it makes sense and tweak the labels if needed.

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Nigel: It might be useful to put together a wiki page explaining the process we are using

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.. and what labels we are putting on GitHub issues to track the (not particularly changed)

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.. process instead of using Dom's old web tool.

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Thierry: Okay, you can give me an action for that - I've done some work already on WebVTT similarly.

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Action: Thierry Draft a wiki page explaining our review and disposition steps and labels

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Created ACTION-506 - Draft a wiki page explaining our review and disposition steps and labels [on Thierry Michel - due 2017-09-14].

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Thierry: Once we have these labels on GitHub we will be able to filter on the labels and

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.. generate automatic dispositions of comments, or at least a list of agreed and not agreed comments?

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Nigel: Exactly, yes.

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Topic: WebVTT review feedback

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Thierry: Nothing really exciting here! As Nigel said last week, I had reminded the TTML2

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.. review to the W3C groups we have dependencies with and horizontal review and external

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.. groups, and TTML2 review ends on Sep 30. David Singer saw this and our discussion and

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.. asked me if I could do the same for WebVTT, and I think that's fair enough. The review

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.. ends on 22nd September for WebVTT, but last week Nigel you had raised a concern about

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.. having two reviews simultaneously and that it could be confusing to receive such requests

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.. for review for two different formats within the same week but I don't see how we can

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.. avoid that unfortunately.

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Nigel: Neither do I!

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Thierry: So far we have no comments from external groups either for TTML2 or WebVTT.

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.. One or two groups have responded that they will process it during an October meeting,

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.. but that's the only kind of answer we got (for both TTML2 and WebVTT), so a reminder

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.. is certainly necessary.

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.. My question is: is anyone against me taking that action?

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.. (but I think it would be unfair to say no!)

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Nigel: It seems that nobody wishes to be unfair, so I think you can go ahead Thierry.

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Thierry: Okay. Also Nigel just to mention that Daniel was a bit surprised about all the

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.. messages to team-liaisons, so he asked for a single summary email listing all the groups

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.. to which the reminders had been sent. So I will not copy team-liaisons on purpose this time.

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Nigel: OK, thanks, that makes sense.

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Topic: Meeting close

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Nigel: We've completed our agenda for today, and have no other business so I'll adjourn

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.. the meeting. Thanks everyone. Next week, let's discuss TPAC agenda please.

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.. [adjourns meeting]

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