IRC log of dap on 2017-09-07

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Present+ Andrey_Logvinov
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Present+ Fuqiao_Xue
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Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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Present+ Alexander_Shalamov
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ScribeNick: anssik
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TOPIC: agenda review, announcements
14:02:59 [anssik]
New Staff Contact: Fuqiao Xue
14:03:14 [xfq]
hi
14:03:14 [anssik]
xfq: recently joined W3C Staff
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... you can find me from GH as xfq
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dom: introductions
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anssik: from Intel, editor of specifications in this group and elsewhere, chair of Second Screen WG & Web NFC CG
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kenneth: from Intel, editor of Web NFC, Web App Manifest, some sensor specs, working on Chrome and web standards
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mikhail: from Intel, editor of Generic Sensor API and concrete sensors, working on Chrome too
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shalamov: Alex from Intel, working on Web NFC and the Generic Sensor API, located in Finland with Mikhail and Anssi
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Present+ Wanming_Lin
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Andrey_Logvinov: from Yandex, editor of the Wake Lock API specification
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Present+ Kenneth_Christiansen
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Wanming_Lin: from Intel, test facilitator in this group
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dom: need to discuss with Frederick if we can find a new time for the call, since key contributors are EU based
14:09:01 [anssik]
dom: announcement: HTML Media Capture published as revised CR
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/0018.html
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https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uccigfMg/
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TOPIC: Minutes approval
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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
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RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017
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17:10 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html
14:10:26 [dom]
Topic: Sensor APIs
14:10:43 [anssik]
dom: good activity over summer, publication on TR
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... overview of the work and status, and roadmap to completion
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... for Level 1, and wide review
14:11:41 [dom]
anssik: over the summer we have addressed all level 1 issues that impact the implementation
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... which requried normative changes ot the spec
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... we have stabilized the implementation and have agreement to start origin trial in Chrome 62
14:12:14 [anssik]
We intend to experiment with the Accelerometer, LinearAccelerationSensor, Gyroscope, AbsoluteOrientationSensor and RelativeOrientationSensor interfaces
14:12:35 [dom]
... the list was chosen because these APIs don't expose new features
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... they are replacement for DeviceMotion and DeviceOrientation
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... for the first phase of the origin trial we want to get feedback from developers on the API shape and ergonomics
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... based on tha tfeedback, we might adjust the API and expand the scope
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... we're starting outreach on the API toward developers
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... the origin trial will run over the course over 3 major releases
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... by EOY we should get a good amount of feedback from web developers
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... I have 2 proposals: A - with the current spec, we could publish a CR soonish, and if the feedback from Web developers motivate change, we might need to revise it
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... B - we wait until we get that feedback, and only then publish CR
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dom: either plan sound fine - main question is whether we want to signal we're done or not - I think we're kind in the middle
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... to go to CR, we need to get our wide reviews done, and get our issues closed
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scribenick: xfq
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dom: privacy and security issues
14:19:57 [anssik]
dom: if we go to CR, we need to ensure a) we have completed all wide reviews, and b) agree on scope i.e. Generic Sensor API only or Generic Sensor API + some set of concrete sensor specs
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf
14:20:08 [xfq]
... we need to do wide reviews
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dom: we did wide reviews for generic sensors and ambient light
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anssik: it's kind of better to review the sensor API specs as a set
14:22:21 [anssik]
anssik: prefer to do wide review for Generic Sensor API, Ambient Light Sensor, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Magnetometer, Orientation Sensor together
14:22:54 [xfq]
dom: I suggest we call the attention of the WebVR CG
14:23:32 [anssik]
dom: should reach out to WebVR CG too since the work is of interest to them
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https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/249
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https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/250
14:25:20 [anssik]
dom: per the wide review process the chair to do the wide review requests to all horizontal groups
14:26:21 [dom]
ACTION: Dom to work with Frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer
14:26:24 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-805 - Work with frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-09-14].
14:26:29 [anssik]
kenneth_: should include also the Motion Explainer in the review
14:27:36 [anssik]
dom: how should we approach the WebVG CG
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ACTION: Anssi to get in touch with WebVR CG on wide review of motion sensor specs
14:27:44 [anssik]
anssik: I can take an action on it
14:27:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-806 - Get in touch with webvr cg on wide review of motion sensor specs [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2017-09-14].
14:28:35 [anssik]
dom: could transition to CR around October assuming wide review feedback is addressed
14:30:41 [dom]
https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/155
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https://w3ctag.github.io/security-questionnaire/
14:35:37 [anssik]
https://w3c.github.io/ambient-light/#security-and-privacy
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https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#mitigation-strategies
14:38:30 [anssik]
dom: it might be that completing the questionnaire for Generic Sensor API will address most security and privacy concerns, but still need to double check the concrete specs adhere too
14:38:44 [dom]
ACTION-805: For TAG, create a bundle issue for all sensors preferably
14:38:44 [trackbot]
Notes added to ACTION-805 Work with frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer.
14:39:04 [dom]
ACTION: Alexander to run self-review questionnaire on sensor specs
14:39:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-807 - Run self-review questionnaire on sensor specs [on Alexander Shalamov - due 2017-09-14].
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Topic: Wake Lock
14:39:52 [anssik]
dom: started wide review for Wake Lock API
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... if we don't get new blocking issues we advance to CR next month
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Andrey_Logvinov: spec in its current state not implemented anywhere
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dom: the spec is in good shape, so now ready for implementation
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TOPIC: Battery
14:43:59 [anssik]
https://github.com/w3c/battery/pull/13
14:46:06 [anssik]
anssik: PR #13 in review, after landed and implemented in Chrome, can publish revised CR
14:47:03 [dom]
dom: do we need another review from WebAppSec/PING before revising CR?
14:49:23 [dom]
anssik: not sure if that's needed/useful
14:49:47 [dom]
ACTION: Dom to look into the need to get wide review of revised battery
14:49:49 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-808 - Look into the need to get wide review of revised battery [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-09-14].
14:49:57 [anssik]
TOPIC: Rechartering
14:50:25 [anssik]
dom: our charter expires EOY, we have work to complete beyond that date
14:50:52 [anssik]
... talked to Jeffrey asking if WebBT would like to migrate to WG
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... Jeffrey prefers to stay in incubation until another implementer is interested
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https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/29
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https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/30
14:51:41 [anssik]
... another issue, bring WebNFC to this WG, the same for WebUSB
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s/bring/whether to bring/
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... also proposal to stop joint work on Media Capture TF
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... this will minimize admin overhead
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... adding more sensors to the DAS WG scope, in particular enviromental sensors
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... also recast Geolocation API on top of Generic Sensor, and adopt old DeviceOrientation API maintenance
14:57:41 [dom]
https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues
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dom: next call in two weeks
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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RRSAgent, make log public
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Meeting: DAS Working Group teleconference
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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Chair: Dom
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Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch
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i/<anssik> dom: should reach out to WebVR CG/ScribeNick: anssik
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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