IRC log of apa on 2017-02-22
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 February 2017
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
- 16:42:10 [janina]
- agenda?
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- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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- agenda+ APA at CSUN
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- agenda+ APA Task Forces
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ next and future meetings
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- agenda+ be done
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- present+ Janina
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- Chair: Janina
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- present+
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- Regrets: John, Leonie
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- present+ tdrake
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- present+
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- scribe: MichielBijl
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
- 17:09:42 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Anything to add to the agenda?
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- MC: Talk about community group strategy?
- 17:10:22 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Anything about the CSS TF?
- 17:10:43 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We can have an agendum for that
- 17:11:05 [MichielBijl]
- We’ll discuss it
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 2. "APA at CSUN" taken up [from janina]
- 17:11:48 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Think it’s only Michael and Ted there (of those on the call)?
- 17:11:55 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Sorry I won’t be there this year
- 17:12:02 [MichielBijl]
- Maybe we’ll meet around TPAC
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 2 was just opened, MichielBijl
- 17:12:20 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, APA at CSUN, closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. APA Task Forces [from janina]
- 17:12:22 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 3. "APA Task Forces" taken up [from janina]
- 17:13:03 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Thank you Michael for forwarding email from Rossen
- 17:13:27 [MichielBijl]
- Given we have TFs with specific expertise
- 17:13:37 [MichielBijl]
- Would it be helpful, because we still look at all specs
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- That who within CSS has the required expertise to take those up?
- 17:14:11 [MichielBijl]
- TD: I think that sounds good
- 17:14:17 [MichielBijl]
- I did have this busy streak
- 17:14:53 [MichielBijl]
- If you know someone who is really good at Grid Layout out versus someone that is good at Animations, that would be very helpful
- 17:15:00 [MichielBijl]
- Can we track this somewhere?
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- MC: We’ve talked about it
- 17:15:18 [MichielBijl]
- Janina and I from time to time at least
- 17:15:29 [MichielBijl]
- Don’t have a doc at the moment
- 17:15:48 [MichielBijl]
- TD: Could have a spreadsheet or something like that where people can fill in their own expertise
- 17:16:00 [MichielBijl]
- MC: We have something like that, but there are a lot of gaps
- 17:16:04 [MichielBijl]
- Let me dig it up
- 17:16:46 [MichielBijl]
- TD: Doing some research on how teams do data matrix
- 17:17:07 [MichielBijl]
- See a lot of people depend on spreadsheets
- 17:17:27 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/Accessibility_Coordination_Matrix Accessibility Coordination Matrix
- 17:20:26 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Hope to talk to Lisa and ?? about coga
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- Negotiating that they deliver it to use in a way that we can update our documents
- 17:21:18 [MichielBijl]
- We need a gap analysis that is worthy of publication
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- I think Michael and I believe that it can stand a bit more editorial work
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- JS: APIs should be doing more then what they’re doing right now
- 17:23:43 [MichielBijl]
- It’s a first public working draft
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- On the other hand it may be a definitional problem
- 17:24:00 [MichielBijl]
- She’s asking for the 25 most important features
- 17:24:15 [MichielBijl]
- Any time you mention a number it’s arbitrary
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- MC: There might be a literal confusion about what should go into an API opposed to what should go into a SC
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- JS: They’re our TFs, so we should have some oversight.
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- And make sure we get work done
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- In case of COGA it’s WCAG and us.
- 17:26:54 [MichielBijl]
- Lisa looked at the CFC and the draft
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- And took the same thinking into writing the API
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- s/??/Jason/
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
- 17:29:05 [MichielBijl]
- action-2113
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- action-2113 -- Ted Drake to Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ -- due 2017-02-08 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2113
- 17:29:18 [MichielBijl]
- TD: Haven’t had time, please extend
- 17:29:41 [MichaelC]
- action-2113 due 2 weeks
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- Set action-2113 Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ due date to 2017-03-08.
- 17:30:12 [MichielBijl]
- action-2070
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- action-2070 -- Ted Drake to Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2070
- 17:30:26 [MichaelC]
- action-2070 due 2 weeks
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- Set action-2070 Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us due date to 2017-03-08.
- 17:30:39 [MichaelC]
- action-2062 due 2 weeks
- 17:30:39 [trackbot]
- Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2017-03-08.
- 17:30:42 [MichielBijl]
- action-2062
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- action-2062 -- Ted Drake to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
- 17:31:04 [MichielBijl]
- JS: There should be one pending review?
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- action-2107
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- action-2107 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api -- due 2017-02-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2107
- 17:32:36 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Close this action and review?
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- JS: I think so.
- 17:33:01 [MichielBijl]
- We could go digging through the spec
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- It’s already on TR
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- MC: Wiki page says we already missed the boat
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- I closed the action and marked it as completed
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
- 17:33:42 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/ilreq/ Indic Layout Requirements
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- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/ Requirements for Chinese Text Layout 中文排版需求
- 17:33:49 [MichielBijl]
- MC: There are 4 new publications
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- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/ CSS Containment Module Level 1
- 17:34:20 [MichielBijl]
- MC: There has already been a wide review
- 17:34:33 [MichielBijl]
- Yes, it’s a first public working draft
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- But it’ll go to CR really soon
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- Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- action: ted to manage review of CSS Containment Module Level 1 https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/
- 17:35:39 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2118 - Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ [on Ted Drake - due 2017-03-01].
- 17:35:49 [MichielBijl]
- MC: I’m worried about this spec causing issues with zoom
- 17:35:51 [MichaelC]
- action-2118: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Containment_Module_Level_1
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- Notes added to action-2118 Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/.
- 17:36:09 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-timing-1/ CSS Timing Functions Level 1
- 17:36:12 [MichielBijl]
- MC: We don’t have a timeline, but they said soon™
- 17:36:28 [MichielBijl]
- MC: This one allows authors to transform animations
- 17:36:36 [MichielBijl]
- Might cause stutters or flashes
- 17:38:20 [MichielBijl]
- MB: How so? Looks a lot like transition timing function that’s already in CSS
- 17:38:35 [MichielBijl]
- You can already violate WCAG with the current implementation of animations
- 17:38:47 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Might need a section that says “beware…”
- 17:39:08 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We started to ask for notes like that in specs
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- .el { animation: flash 1s infinite } @keyframes flash { 0% {background: red;} 100% {background: yellow;} }
- 17:42:22 [MichielBijl]
- MC: If your assertion is true there might be no need for a review
- 17:42:37 [MichielBijl]
- But we might want a note or accessibility section in the animation spec
- 17:43:16 [MichielBijl]
- Recent ReSpec update asks about privacy and security section
- 17:43:36 [MichielBijl]
- Could tap into that and ask Shane to implement such a feature for accessibility sections.
- 17:44:23 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Worth remembering that most of CSS is written on Bikeshed IIRC
- 17:44:35 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Not sure how Bikeshed handles this sort of thing
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- MB: Not too familiar with it myself, so not sure either
- 17:44:55 [MichielBijl]
- MC: So should we not review this?
- 17:45:08 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Haven’t heard any strong arguments that we should
- 17:45:23 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Should we pursue a note in CSS specs?
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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- JS: Katie! Judie was pushing you and me to ??
- 17:46:10 [MichielBijl]
- Anything new would have to be looked at
- 17:46:29 [MichielBijl]
- We were taking the approach that we would wait for groups to actually achieve something
- 17:46:39 [MichielBijl]
- Last time we did it we had someone go through the entire list
- 17:47:17 [MichielBijl]
- MC: We used to review CGs routinely
- 17:47:33 [MichielBijl]
- At some point we started to look after a couple of months
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- And then we sort of forgot about them
- 17:47:52 [MichielBijl]
- There are a few groups that are in long term incubation
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- We should engage with them
- 17:48:11 [MichielBijl]
- I think we should do more with CGs, but don’t have proposals
- 17:51:48 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Can we come back to this after CSUN?
- 17:52:02 [MichielBijl]
- Want to approach CGs systematically
- 17:52:32 [MichielBijl]
- KS: Could we have a meeting once a month with the CGs chairs?
- 17:52:42 [MichielBijl]
- s/CGs/CG/
- 17:52:57 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Yeah, I think we want to avoid doing all the searching
- 17:53:08 [MichielBijl]
- Once a month might be a bit too frequent
- 17:53:18 [MichielBijl]
- KS: Once every two or three months could also work.
- 17:53:59 [MichielBijl]
- I can go back and go through what we had and what is still there
- 17:53:59 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Spec_Review/Community_Groups previous CG tracking
- 17:54:21 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Roughly 15 CGs from a year ago that we wanted to track
- 17:55:13 [MichielBijl]
- KS: Happy to update, as long as we come to the situation where we can get their chairs to agree to come to calls
- 17:55:26 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Might want to offer other ways to communicate as well
- 17:55:33 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We need to think that through
- 17:55:41 [MichielBijl]
- Let’s get back to this after CSUN
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 7. "next and future meetings" taken up [from janina]
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- JS: We’re concerned about our comments on Web Payments not being incorporated.
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: ted to manage review of CSS Containment Module Level 1 https://www.w3.org/TR/css-contain-1/ [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-apa-irc#T17-35-39