IRC log of alreq on 2016-12-06

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15:59:11 [Behnam]
Zakim, this is ALReq Weekly Meeting
15:59:11 [Zakim]
got it, Behnam
15:59:40 [Behnam]
Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been (no one)
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Zakim, list attendees
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rrsagent, make draft
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft', Behnam. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
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rrsagent, make draft public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft public', Behnam. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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Meeting: ALReq Weekly Meeting
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Scribe: Behnam
16:01:56 [najib]
Hi Behnam
16:02:01 [Behnam]
Hi najib
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Hi Mostapha
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Hi.
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Connecting to the WebEx
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16:05:38 [Behnam]
Hi mostafa
16:05:55 [Behnam]
mostafa, joining webex?
16:06:04 [Behnam]
Chair: Shervin
16:06:18 [Behnam]
agenda+ Continuing discussion on underline and overline topic
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agenda+ Status review of action items
16:06:26 [Shervin]
Shervin has changed the topic to: ALReq Weekly Meeting, 6 December 2016
16:06:33 [Behnam]
agenda+ Review of Github issues [7] and pull requests
16:06:39 [Shervin]
zakim, who is here?
16:06:39 [Zakim]
Present: Behnam
16:06:41 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Shervin, mostafa, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, Behnam, trackbot
16:06:44 [Behnam]
agenda?
16:07:02 [Shervin]
present+ Shervin, r12a, mostafa, najib
16:07:04 [Shervin]
zakim, who is here?
16:07:04 [Zakim]
Present: Behnam, Shervin, r12a, mostafa, najib
16:07:06 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Shervin, mostafa, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, Behnam, trackbot
16:08:39 [Shervin]
ScribeNick: Behnam
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16:09:24 [mostafa]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
16:10:40 [Behnam]
Shervin: Last time we cut of in the middle of discussion about underline and overline
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agenda?
16:11:53 [Behnam]
Shervin: Last week we stopped in the middle of discussion about underline and overline
16:12:26 [Behnam]
... as seen in screenshots provided by najib, we can see different behaviors based on font and environment
16:12:51 [Behnam]
... has anyone anything to add?
16:12:52 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
16:15:27 [Shervin]
https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
16:15:43 [Behnam]
Shervin: Let's look at the action items
16:17:15 [Behnam]
... actions 73 & 74, let's get back to them later
16:18:33 [Behnam]
Behnam: actions 23, 48, 54, there hasn't been new development. Will update next time
16:19:31 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
16:19:44 [Behnam]
Shervin: let's look at issues
16:20:04 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/85
16:22:20 [Behnam]
Shervin: najib, Khalid's comment is valid. Is there a concern now?
16:24:09 [Behnam]
najib: Looking at the Arabic numerals wiki page and there's a difference between the categories of Persian and Arabic numbers
16:25:11 [Behnam]
Shervin: This is a matter for Unicode. Apparently the properties are set based on the need at the time. Unicode mailing lists should have more info about this.
16:25:53 [Behnam]
... I agree that we may want to note the difference in the document.
16:25:59 [Behnam]
... Let's look more into it
16:26:00 [Shervin]
ACTION Shervin Find some more detail about why Arabic/Persian numbers bidi category differs.
16:26:01 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-75 - Find some more detail about why arabic/persian numbers bidi category differs. [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-12-13].
16:26:14 [najib]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%29
16:27:04 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/82
16:28:08 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/62
16:28:55 [Behnam]
Shervin: I'm not sure if we need to keep this issue open
16:29:24 [Behnam]
najib: I'm noting this problem in my draft write up
16:29:42 [Behnam]
Shervin: najib, could you comment on the issue, so we can close the issue?
16:29:54 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/59
16:31:06 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57
16:31:21 [Behnam]
Shervin: najib, you may want to also look at #59 for the draft
16:31:33 [Shervin]
ACTION najib to add some comments to Github issue 59 about fractions
16:31:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-76 - Add some comments to github issue 59 about fractions [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-12-13].
16:32:24 [Behnam]
Shervin: mostafa, updates on #57?
16:32:38 [Behnam]
mostafa: We have a first draft in the document and keep working on it
16:32:54 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/13
16:33:52 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/9
16:34:56 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/5
16:35:50 [mostafa]
q+
16:36:09 [Behnam]
Shervin: That's all for issues.
16:36:30 [Behnam]
... I have one topic to talk about: Abjad, which najib commented on on the list
16:36:34 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:37:21 [najib]
https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/issues/14
16:39:19 [Behnam]
r12a: there's no reference to Mabsut in the document
16:39:44 [r12a]
s/reference to/definition of/
16:40:25 [Behnam]
oh, right, r12a. tnx
16:40:49 [Behnam]
Shervin: We don't have "mabsut" in the glossary
16:40:51 [mostafa]
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16:40:52 [mostafa]
+1
16:42:04 [Shervin]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit
16:42:40 [Behnam]
Shervin: we can add definitions for the terms (mabsut, etc) to the glossary
16:43:05 [Behnam]
Shervin: the question is when we want to move the glossary to the main document
16:44:40 [Shervin]
ACTION Shervin Get the definitions for Mabsut, etc. for the glossary
16:44:48 [trackbot]
Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
16:45:25 [Behnam]
Shervin: I'm going to reject the PR, as we cannot merge it in the way it is.
16:45:55 [Behnam]
... we need to have the definition first
16:46:31 [Behnam]
r12a: After we have the definitions, we need to make a proper link to the glossary
16:46:34 [mostafa]
q+
16:48:11 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:48:46 [mostafa]
q+
16:48:59 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:49:39 [Behnam]
mostafa: About Ebrahim, I have contacted him and he has been having problems with his email account. r12a, can we change his email address?
16:50:14 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/issues/14
16:50:53 [Behnam]
Shervin: Looking at Maghrebian Abjad issue last night and doing some research
16:51:27 [Behnam]
... there are books that mention variations of Abjad
16:51:28 [Shervin]
Moorish Abjad.
16:52:06 [Behnam]
... sometimes it's called Maghrebian, but also called Moorish
16:52:20 [Shervin]
https://github.com/w3c/predefined-counter-styles/issues/13
16:53:10 [Behnam]
r12a: there's an issue open to fix counter-style definitions for Abjad
16:54:13 [Behnam]
... the question is, if the Maghrebian Abjad is in use, as that's a requirement for the counter-styles document
16:54:47 [Behnam]
najib: We may want to add Maghrebi Abjad to ALReq document
16:55:28 [Behnam]
... Maghrebi Abjad is a historical abjad, not actively used currently
16:56:01 [Behnam]
q+
16:56:20 [Behnam]
r12a: So it probably doesn't make it to the counter-styles document
16:56:42 [Behnam]
... About ALReq document, we may want to do the same thing as it's not being used
16:58:12 [Behnam]
Shervin: Maybe we should add it to ALReq document and have a note about it being historical
16:59:13 [Behnam]
najib: There are many dictionaries that are ordered in Maghrebi Abjad
16:59:43 [Behnam]
Shervin: Is it Maghrebi Abjad or Arabic Abjad?
16:59:46 [Shervin]
ack Behnam
16:59:47 [Behnam]
najib: I need to check
17:03:40 [Behnam]
najib: What do you think about pronunciation differences?
17:04:23 [Behnam]
... In Arabic, the pronunciation has a music to it
17:05:08 [Behnam]
Shervin: Anything else?
17:05:52 [Behnam]
najib: In the document, Section 4. Lines and Paragraphs
17:06:39 [Behnam]
... 4.3 Paragraph and line alignment
17:06:50 [Behnam]
mostafa: I've been working on 4.2
17:08:02 [Behnam]
Shervin: Anything else?
17:08:49 [Behnam]
najib: Next Tuesday, it's a holiday in Morocco, so I may not be able to join
17:09:58 [Behnam]
Shervin: Talking about holidays, what's everyone's plan for late December?
17:10:24 [Behnam]
r12a: I'll be out for 4-5 weeks during the holidays
17:10:42 [najib]
I'm here whole december
17:13:23 [Behnam]
Shervin: Have a good day and we will talk next week
17:13:32 [r12a]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:13:45 [Shervin]
Behnam, will you do the robot wrap up?
17:14:07 [Shervin]
Zakim, please leave us
17:14:07 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'please leave us', Shervin
17:14:12 [Shervin]
Zakim, please leave
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Behnam, Shervin, r12a, mostafa, najib
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