IRC log of alreq on 2016-11-22
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-irc
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- Shervin has changed the topic to: ALReq Weekly Meeting, 22 November 2016
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- present+
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- zakim, who is here?
- 16:09:16 [Zakim]
- Present: Shervin
- 16:09:18 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Shervin, najib, r12a, trackbot
- 16:09:37 [Shervin]
- present+ najib
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- present+ r12a
- 16:09:46 [Shervin]
- ScribeNick: Shervin
- 16:10:04 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html
- 16:10:13 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html
- 16:10:24 [najib]
- https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%29
- 16:10:40 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0018.html
- 16:10:47 [najib]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2
- 16:11:30 [Shervin]
- Shervin: Starting from Najib draft on numeral...
- 16:13:43 [r12a]
- "even though some fonts may not distinguish between the changing glyph"
- 16:15:23 [r12a]
- shervin: shouldn't call this out, since it's just a broken font
- 16:15:33 [r12a]
- ... all persian fonts have both sets of numbers
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- r12a: "western" should be "european" to conform to Unicode terminology and that chosen by us way back
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- hebrew: 1 + 1 = 2
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- arabic: 2 = 1 + 1
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- he: 10 - 12 items
- 16:20:44 [r12a]
- arabic: items 12 - 10
- 16:21:03 [r12a]
- he: items 10 - 12
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- s/he: 10 - 12 items/
- 16:21:27 [r12a]
- s/he: 10 - 12 items//
- 16:26:06 [r12a]
- shervin: use 'north-west Africa' rather than 'Magreb', since the sphere we're talking about is wider
- 16:27:05 [r12a]
- ... wrt percent sign, i think if arabic-indic are used percent sign is 066A
- 16:27:21 [r12a]
- ... and you shouldn't mix with 0025
- 16:28:35 [r12a]
- ... we need to look at authoritative sources to determine which is the 'right' way to do things here
- 16:29:41 [r12a]
- ... should there be spaces? should the percent sign appear on either side ?
- 16:30:04 [r12a]
- najib: i looked at bank reports and official government law books from Morocco
- 16:30:42 [r12a]
- shervin: be careful, since some reports are generated by software - textbooks from an established publisher or schoolbooks are a much better measure
- 16:30:58 [r12a]
- ... since people creating that text ensure that it is correct
- 16:32:12 [r12a]
- najib: i'm documenting what i see, rather than what's correct
- 16:32:16 [r12a]
- shervin: ... what's in use is not necessarily correct - first we need to look at notable sources
- 16:33:33 [r12a]
- ... we can always call it out that common people do things differently
- 16:33:45 [r12a]
- shervin: why no mention of arabic thousands separator
- 16:34:07 [Shervin]
- http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%AB&B1=Show
- 16:34:40 [Shervin]
- http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C
- 16:34:52 [r12a]
- shervin: or the arabic decimal separator
- 16:38:26 [r12a]
- shervin: it's a good start - it points to areas of contention - some things need to be shortened - eg. if you use the correct thousands separator it solves confusion
- 16:39:58 [r12a]
- ... thanks for the effort
- 16:40:12 [r12a]
- najib: please comment on the wiki, and add suggestions/corrections
- 16:40:37 [r12a]
- ... too early for PR, stay with wiki for onw
- 16:40:42 [r12a]
- s/onw/now/
- 16:40:49 [Shervin]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html
- 16:43:23 [Shervin]
- r12a: Three issue; 1. Underline thickness, 2. Skipping ink when it runs into descender, 3. How determine the position of the underline relative to the character
- 16:43:24 [najib]
- https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
- 16:44:20 [Shervin]
- r12a: 4. What happens with underline with mixed-script text?
- 16:45:54 [r12a]
- shervin: first impression is that whenever underline happens (mostly in manuscripts, which use underline as wanted) there's always a separation between the lowest descender and the line
- 16:46:07 [r12a]
- ... unless space was a premium - ie no skip needed
- 16:46:18 [r12a]
- ... i think leaving to the font may be a good idea
- 16:47:30 [r12a]
- ... i can provide examples
- 16:48:51 [r12a]
- ... historical use case of underline is very very limited
- 16:51:08 [r12a]
- ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for underline
- 16:51:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-71 - Provide some historical examples for underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].
- 16:51:30 [r12a]
- najib: i think underline is a western concept
- 16:51:47 [r12a]
- shervin: certainly it is, but i've seen it around in historical documents
- 16:52:09 [r12a]
- najib: i didn't find underlines in any official texts i looked at
- 16:52:39 [najib]
- s/find/find much/
- 16:52:49 [r12a]
- https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
- 16:53:02 [r12a]
- https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459
- 16:54:46 [r12a]
- shervin: let's leave nastaliq out of this, because it makes things very complicated
- 16:55:28 [r12a]
- r12a: look at the last example at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 and think about how that relates to baseline
- 16:57:21 [r12a]
- shervin: Najib could you please add the names of the fonts here
- 16:57:34 [r12a]
- ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
- 16:57:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-72 - Provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-11-29].
- 17:00:31 [Shervin]
- ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline
- 17:00:31 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-73 - Test other fonts for the underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].
- 17:01:12 [Shervin]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html
- 17:01:22 [Shervin]
- http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist
- 17:02:18 [r12a]
- http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration
- 17:03:39 [r12a]
- http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration
- 17:10:03 [Shervin]
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72SR50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0
- 17:12:01 [Shervin]
- http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;rgn=main
- 17:12:06 [r12a]
- Justify Just or Just Justify link is now protected
- 17:12:43 [Shervin]
- http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105
- 17:26:19 [Shervin]
- zakim, please leave
- 17:26:19 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Shervin, najib, r12a
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html r12a
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- rrsagent, make log public
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