16:07:42 RRSAgent has joined #alreq 16:07:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-irc 16:08:51 Shervin has changed the topic to: ALReq Weekly Meeting, 22 November 2016 16:09:09 present+ 16:09:16 zakim, who is here? 16:09:16 Present: Shervin 16:09:18 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Shervin, najib, r12a, trackbot 16:09:37 present+ najib 16:09:41 present+ r12a 16:09:46 ScribeNick: Shervin 16:10:04 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html 16:10:13 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html 16:10:24 https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%29 16:10:40 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0018.html 16:10:47 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2 16:11:30 Shervin: Starting from Najib draft on numeral... 16:13:43 "even though some fonts may not distinguish between the changing glyph" 16:15:23 shervin: shouldn't call this out, since it's just a broken font 16:15:33 ... all persian fonts have both sets of numbers 16:16:25 r12a: "western" should be "european" to conform to Unicode terminology and that chosen by us way back 16:19:35 hebrew: 1 + 1 = 2 16:19:46 arabic: 2 = 1 + 1 16:20:31 he: 10 - 12 items 16:20:44 arabic: items 12 - 10 16:21:03 he: items 10 - 12 16:21:20 s/he: 10 - 12 items/ 16:21:27 s/he: 10 - 12 items// 16:26:06 shervin: use 'north-west Africa' rather than 'Magreb', since the sphere we're talking about is wider 16:27:05 ... wrt percent sign, i think if arabic-indic are used percent sign is 066A 16:27:21 ... and you shouldn't mix with 0025 16:28:35 ... we need to look at authoritative sources to determine which is the 'right' way to do things here 16:29:41 ... should there be spaces? should the percent sign appear on either side ? 16:30:04 najib: i looked at bank reports and official government law books from Morocco 16:30:42 shervin: be careful, since some reports are generated by software - textbooks from an established publisher or schoolbooks are a much better measure 16:30:58 ... since people creating that text ensure that it is correct 16:32:12 najib: i'm documenting what i see, rather than what's correct 16:32:16 shervin: ... what's in use is not necessarily correct - first we need to look at notable sources 16:33:33 ... we can always call it out that common people do things differently 16:33:45 shervin: why no mention of arabic thousands separator 16:34:07 http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%AB&B1=Show 16:34:40 http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C 16:34:52 shervin: or the arabic decimal separator 16:38:26 shervin: it's a good start - it points to areas of contention - some things need to be shortened - eg. if you use the correct thousands separator it solves confusion 16:39:58 ... thanks for the effort 16:40:12 najib: please comment on the wiki, and add suggestions/corrections 16:40:37 ... too early for PR, stay with wiki for onw 16:40:42 s/onw/now/ 16:40:49 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html 16:43:23 r12a: Three issue; 1. Underline thickness, 2. Skipping ink when it runs into descender, 3. How determine the position of the underline relative to the character 16:43:24 https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 16:44:20 r12a: 4. What happens with underline with mixed-script text? 16:45:54 shervin: first impression is that whenever underline happens (mostly in manuscripts, which use underline as wanted) there's always a separation between the lowest descender and the line 16:46:07 ... unless space was a premium - ie no skip needed 16:46:18 ... i think leaving to the font may be a good idea 16:47:30 ... i can provide examples 16:48:51 ... historical use case of underline is very very limited 16:51:08 ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for underline 16:51:08 Created ACTION-71 - Provide some historical examples for underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29]. 16:51:30 najib: i think underline is a western concept 16:51:47 shervin: certainly it is, but i've seen it around in historical documents 16:52:09 najib: i didn't find underlines in any official texts i looked at 16:52:39 s/find/find much/ 16:52:49 https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 16:53:02 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459 16:54:46 shervin: let's leave nastaliq out of this, because it makes things very complicated 16:55:28 r12a: look at the last example at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 and think about how that relates to baseline 16:57:21 shervin: Najib could you please add the names of the fonts here 16:57:34 ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 16:57:35 Created ACTION-72 - Provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-11-29]. 17:00:31 ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline 17:00:31 Created ACTION-73 - Test other fonts for the underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29]. 17:01:12 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html 17:01:22 http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist 17:02:18 http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration 17:03:39 http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration 17:10:03 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72SR50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0 17:12:01 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;rgn=main 17:12:06 Justify Just or Just Justify link is now protected 17:12:43 http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105 17:26:19 zakim, please leave 17:26:19 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Shervin, najib, r12a 17:26:19 Zakim has left #alreq 17:26:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:26:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html r12a 17:26:47 rrsagent, make log public 17:27:17 najib has left #alreq