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<jdsmith> Are you joining the call, Paul?
<paulc> Yes, I am here
<scribe> scribeNick: plh
<paulc> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Oct/0047.html
Paul: we're supposed to have the
test suite completed with the test results
... CfC on Nov 8
... but that was for a revised CR
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Oct/0050.html
Jerry: was expecting Chrome some
of the persistent license tests and it didn't
... might be missing something
David: did you run them on chrome
os?
... we don't expect chrome on windows to pass those
Jerry: if you can run the tests and give me the json, I'll include it
David: also we made 2 PRs since
then but will not change the less-than-2
... in general, the results were expected
Jerry: so bugs on errors
type/handling aren't blockers
... for persistent usage records, we have a few bugs
... including the readyState
David: Chrome has an underlying
issue related to this
... Chris has a PR for that
... so we can fix the spec and land those
Jerry: some bugs are linked to WPT, affecting 2 tests
David: one test should be disabled unless it gets fixed
Mark: agreed
Paul: so, we're waiting on chrome
os results
... and waiting on fixes on the test suite itself
David: we'll deal with the readyState proposal today, should wrap up the spec, and Chris can update his WPT test PR
Paul: and he might need time to make implementation changes
Jerry: I'll produce a summary of the 14 tests
Paul: how many of these do we expect to solve?
David: #4027 is critical
... #4058 is a spec text issue
... others are request for additional testing
MarkW: for #4027, I think it's
not essential. no need to pass at the moment.
... so test should be deactivated
David: #312. lack of interest to
move forward.
... #333 has a PR for that. will land.
... #336 is about readyState. there is a proposal.
... #340 is also approved.
Plh: #183 . would need w3c to have a different way to do registries
Paul: mark it v.next
David: make sure we have proper wording on updates
Plh: ok
Paul: we'll come back to #85 later
Paul: we got a proposal from MSFT
<joesteele> and a response from Adobe
Jerry: [summarize the proposal]
[going around the table for opinions]
David: if we remove both persistent type, we'll remove quite a bit of text from the spec...
Paul: if we can point to bugs on browser implementations with some sort of commitments, that would help our evidence
Mark: we should ask the Safari folks...
Paul: done it and didn't get a
response. no pre-announcement from them.
... we could take it offline
Mark: [repeating Netflix position]
Paul: if I put a CfC to propose
to retain persistent license and readyState (if fixed), we need
to decide with persistent-usage-record
... where is the sweet spot?
David: persitent license isn't at
risk
... and we don't have implementation
persistent-usage-record
... and for readyState, we know how it should work but don't
have a passing implementation
Joe: +1
... we don't have a strong opinion on persistent-usage-record
and readyState
Jerry: we proposed a bar. do we think it's viable?
Paul: what really matters is what
people want to do. Chris wants to get things done. So, looking
for a CfC to pass. Not worried about the rational.
... the original text points to the passive criteria, which
gives room for judgment
... I don't think I'd have troubles to argue to the
Director
... having pointers to implementation bugs would just give us
more data
... I hear support for removing persistent-usage-record and
retaining readyState if we can fix it
... and we will not publish a new CR and go directly to PR
Mark: I think the criteria proposed by MS leads to a different conclusion. I suggest making one passing implementation to be the minimum bar.
Paul: agreed
Plh: sounds a reasonable approach.
Jerry: for persistent-license, it will require that ChromeOS passes those tests.
David: should be the case
Paul: ok, I think I know how to
craft the CfC at this point
... ok, we have our actions and a plan
[adjourned]
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