IRC log of aapi on 2016-10-18
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 18 October 2016
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term.
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- agenda+ ISSUE-676/: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
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- agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
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- agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
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- agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
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- agenda+ be done.
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- clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 18-Oct-2016, 20:00 UTC)
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- scribe: joanie
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term." taken up [from clown]
- 19:12:33 [joanie]
- JS: There are a couple of issues about the Core AAM mappings for UIA and AXAPI and I wanted to know if there was any news.
- 19:12:52 [joanie]
- JS: And the answer is yes, because you (Rich) sent out emails to Bogdan and James Craig.
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- RS: Correct.
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- JS: Any other comments or questions?
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "ISSUE-676/: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
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- issue-676?
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- issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
- 19:14:13 [joanie]
- JS: There's an issue raised by Jason Kiss to add actions, interfaces, and relations to the mappings.
- 19:14:27 [joanie]
- JS: We did it for ATK; Cynthia seems to have done the same for UIA.
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0059.html
- 19:14:38 [joanie]
- JS: MSAA and IA2 seems to be the only things missing.
- 19:15:02 [joanie]
- JS: I sent an email to Alex Surkov (see link above).
- 19:15:29 [joanie]
- JS: I asked him to look through it and tell me where the differences are.
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- JS: I also CCed Jason Kiss.
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- JS: Now we are waiting for him to reply.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "ACTION-2121: (Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal." taken up [from clown]
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- action-2121?
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- action-2121 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
- 19:17:00 [joanie]
- JS: This is a new one, which we came up with last week.
- 19:17:10 [joanie]
- JS: We were looking at single and multiple selection.
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- JS: Joanie noticed some stuff she was not particularly happy with.
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
- 19:17:35 [joanie]
- JS: And she wanted to make some corrections.
- 19:17:44 [joanie]
- JS: The above link is for the section we're talking about.
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- JS: Joanie added a note to the action item.
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- From my comment:
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- I'm not sure how we want to word the text for the table cell, however....
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- Any time the selection changes, in addition to object:selection-changed on the container/parent, there should also be the following:
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- 1. object:state-changed:selected with detail1 = 0 on any element which just became unselected
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- 2. object:state-changed:selected with detail1 = 1 on the element which just became selected
- 19:20:06 [joanie]
- Any time the focused element changes, there should also be the following:
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
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- 1. object:state-changed:focused with detail1 = 0 on the element which just became unfocused
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- 2. object:state-changed:focused with detail1 = 1 on the element which just became focused
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- (Aside, this seems to be what is alluded to in the MSAA column.)
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- (End of paste)
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- JD: By the way, where is IA2 in that table?
- 19:21:02 [joanie]
- JS: In this case IA2 is the same as MSAA because they are MSAA events.
- 19:22:02 [joanie]
- JS: We might want to modify the column title, but.... Some people suggested that because IA2 builds upon MSAA, we didn't want to do that.
- 19:22:08 [clown]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#focus_state_event_table
- 19:26:26 [joanie]
- JD: If focus follows selection, the object:state-changed:focused events AND associated states (focusable, focused) need to also be present.
- 19:26:42 [joanie]
- JS: I think that's covered by the focus state event table (see link above)
- 19:26:58 [joanie]
- JD: Maybe, but it's not clear to me that user agents will make that leap.
- 19:27:12 [joanie]
- JS: As a compromise, how about I link to the focus state event table?
- 19:27:16 [joanie]
- JD: Perfect, thanks!
- 19:28:38 [joanie]
- JS: First question: In your notes you say "element"; should that instead be "accessible object"?
- 19:29:06 [joanie]
- JD: Use whatever language is consistent with your spec. Apologies for not checking; wrote "element" out of habit (ARIA spec).
- 19:32:47 [clown]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_state-change
- 19:37:42 [joanie]
- (Group discusses ATK/AT-SPI2 event detail1 and how best to reflect the requirements in the Core AAM.)
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- JS: Do we need to test all of these?
- 19:39:48 [joanie]
- JD: My ATTA is capable of it, and hopefully Gecko would pass the tests because I believe (for the most part) they are already doing this correctly.
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- JS: I will assign this action to myself now.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
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- issue-618?
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- issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
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- action-1553?
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- Sorry, but action-1553 does not exist.
- 19:43:15 [joanie]
- action-1533
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- action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Implement Webdriver automated accessibilty testing framework for testing ARIA in ATK/AT-SPI -- due 2016-07-12 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
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- issue-1031
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- issue-1031 -- Implement Webdriver automated accessibility testing framework for testing ARIA in various AAPIs -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1031
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- action-2077
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- action-2077 -- Cynthia Shelly to Recruit people to implement Webdriver automated accessibility testing for MSAA+IA2 and AXAPI -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2077
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- action-2056?
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- action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
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- action-2056
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- action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
- 19:47:08 [joanie]
- JS: James commented on this action in June.
- 19:47:37 [joanie]
- JS: James is claiming this is not backwards compatible.
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- JS: And it sounds like he is saying AXAPI isn't going to do this.
- 19:48:04 [joanie]
- JS: Am I misreading this?
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-haspopup
- 20:00:16 [joanie]
- (Group discusses the backwards compatibility issue raised by James, namely that the new enumerated types will be treated as "false" in ARIA 1.0 browsers)
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-wai-aria-20140320/complete#aria-haspopup
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- RS: I commented on the action.
- 20:06:59 [clown]
- https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkValue.html#atk-value-get-value-and-text
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- https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkValue.html
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaValueNow
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- action: Joseph to change all ATK/AT-SPI uses of "AccessibleValue" interface to "Value" interface.
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- Created ACTION-2122 - Change all atk/at-spi uses of "accessiblevalue" interface to "value" interface. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2016-10-25].
- 20:09:17 [joanie]
- RS: The Core AAM uses "AccessibleValue" for ATK when it should say "Value" interface.
- 20:09:21 [joanie]
- JS: I will change it.
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- Zakim, part
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Bryan_Garaventa
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