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18:49:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:49:09 <trackbot> Date: 18 October 2016
18:49:20 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:49:59 <clown> agenda: this
18:50:10 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term.
18:50:21 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676/: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
18:51:23 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
18:51:39 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:51:50 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:52:01 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:52:10 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:52:15 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:52:44 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 18-Oct-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:59:40 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:01:45 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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19:08:23 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading
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19:12:11 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-1038/ISSUE-1026: (Bogdan, James) Mappings for feed, figure, and term." taken up [from clown]
19:12:33 <joanie> JS: There are a couple of issues about the Core AAM mappings for UIA and AXAPI and I wanted to know if there was any news.
19:12:52 <joanie> JS: And the answer is yes, because you (Rich) sent out emails to Bogdan and James Craig.
19:12:58 <joanie> RS: Correct.
19:13:31 <joanie> JS: Any other comments or questions?
19:13:46 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:13:46 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-676/: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:13:51 <clown> issue-676?
19:13:51 <trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
19:13:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
19:14:13 <joanie> JS: There's an issue raised by Jason Kiss to add actions, interfaces, and relations to the mappings.
19:14:27 <joanie> JS: We did it for ATK; Cynthia seems to have done the same for UIA.
19:14:29 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0059.html
19:14:38 <joanie> JS: MSAA and IA2 seems to be the only things missing.
19:15:02 <joanie> JS: I sent an email to Alex Surkov (see link above).
19:15:29 <joanie> JS: I asked him to look through it and tell me where the differences are.
19:15:38 <joanie> JS: I also CCed Jason Kiss.
19:15:50 <joanie> JS: Now we are waiting for him to reply.
19:16:46 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-2121: (Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal." taken up [from clown]
19:16:52 <clown> action-2121?
19:16:52 <trackbot> action-2121 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
19:16:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
19:17:00 <joanie> JS: This is a new one, which we came up with last week.
19:17:10 <joanie> JS: We were looking at single and multiple selection.
19:17:23 <joanie> JS: Joanie noticed some stuff she was not particularly happy with.
19:17:33 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
19:17:35 <joanie> JS: And she wanted to make some corrections.
19:17:44 <joanie> JS: The above link is for the section we're talking about.
19:17:53 <joanie> JS: Joanie added a note to the action item.
19:19:53 <joanie> From my comment:
19:19:57 <joanie> I'm not sure how we want to word the text for the table cell, however....
19:19:57 <joanie> Any time the selection changes, in addition to object:selection-changed on the container/parent, there should also be the following:
19:20:00 <joanie> 1. object:state-changed:selected with detail1 = 0 on any element which just became unselected
19:20:03 <joanie> 2. object:state-changed:selected with detail1 = 1 on the element which just became selected
19:20:06 <joanie> Any time the focused element changes, there should also be the following:
19:20:07 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
19:20:08 <joanie> 1. object:state-changed:focused with detail1 = 0 on the element which just became unfocused
19:20:11 <joanie> 2. object:state-changed:focused with detail1 = 1 on the element which just became focused
19:20:14 <joanie> (Aside, this seems to be what is alluded to in the MSAA column.)
19:20:17 <joanie> (End of paste)
19:20:45 <joanie> JD: By the way, where is IA2 in that table?
19:21:02 <joanie> JS: In this case IA2 is the same as MSAA because they are MSAA events.
19:22:02 <joanie> JS: We might want to modify the column title, but.... Some people suggested that because IA2 builds upon MSAA, we didn't want to do that.
19:22:08 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#focus_state_event_table
19:26:26 <joanie> JD: If focus follows selection, the object:state-changed:focused events AND associated states (focusable, focused) need to also be present.
19:26:42 <joanie> JS: I think that's covered by the focus state event table (see link above)
19:26:58 <joanie> JD: Maybe, but it's not clear to me that user agents will make that leap.
19:27:12 <joanie> JS: As a compromise, how about I link to the focus state event table?
19:27:16 <joanie> JD: Perfect, thanks!
19:28:38 <joanie> JS: First question: In your notes you say "element"; should that instead be "accessible object"?
19:29:06 <joanie> JD: Use whatever language is consistent with your spec. Apologies for not checking; wrote "element" out of habit (ARIA spec).
19:32:47 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_state-change
19:37:42 <joanie> (Group discusses ATK/AT-SPI2 event detail1 and how best to reflect the requirements in the Core AAM.)
19:39:21 <joanie> JS: Do we need to test all of these?
19:39:48 <joanie> JD: My ATTA is capable of it, and hopefully Gecko would pass the tests because I believe (for the most part) they are already doing this correctly.
19:40:11 <joanie> JS: I will assign this action to myself now.
19:41:53 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:41:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:42:25 <clown> issue-618?
19:42:25 <trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
19:42:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
19:43:11 <clown> action-1553?
19:43:11 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1553 does not exist.
19:43:15 <joanie> action-1533
19:43:15 <trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Implement Webdriver automated accessibilty testing framework for testing ARIA in ATK/AT-SPI -- due 2016-07-12 -- OPEN
19:43:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
19:44:21 <clown> issue-1031
19:44:21 <trackbot> issue-1031 -- Implement Webdriver automated accessibility testing framework for testing ARIA in various AAPIs -- open
19:44:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1031
19:44:33 <clown> action-2077
19:44:33 <trackbot> action-2077 -- Cynthia Shelly to Recruit people to implement Webdriver automated accessibility testing for MSAA+IA2 and AXAPI -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
19:44:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2077
19:46:32 <clown> action-2056?
19:46:32 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
19:46:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
19:46:36 <joanie> action-2056
19:46:36 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
19:46:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
19:47:08 <joanie> JS: James commented on this action in June.
19:47:37 <joanie> JS: James is claiming this is not backwards compatible.
19:48:00 <joanie> JS: And it sounds like he is saying AXAPI isn't going to do this.
19:48:04 <joanie> JS: Am I misreading this?
19:58:00 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-haspopup
20:00:16 <joanie> (Group discusses the backwards compatibility issue raised by James, namely that the new enumerated types will be treated as "false" in ARIA 1.0 browsers)
20:01:22 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-wai-aria-20140320/complete#aria-haspopup
20:05:45 <joanie> RS: I commented on the action.
20:06:59 <clown> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkValue.html#atk-value-get-value-and-text
20:07:33 <clown> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkValue.html
20:07:59 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaValueNow
20:08:50 <clown> action:  Joseph to change all ATK/AT-SPI uses of "AccessibleValue" interface to "Value" interface.
20:08:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2122 - Change all atk/at-spi uses of "accessiblevalue" interface to "value" interface. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2016-10-25].
20:09:17 <joanie> RS: The Core AAM uses "AccessibleValue" for ATK when it should say "Value" interface.
20:09:21 <joanie> JS: I will change it.
20:10:02 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:10:02 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Bryan_Garaventa
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