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21:01:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
21:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
21:01:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
21:01:24 <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2016
21:01:30 <jongund> Zakim, this is ARIA Testing
21:01:30 <Zakim> got it, jongund
21:01:44 <jongund> chair: jongund
21:01:57 <jongund> Meeting: ARIA Testing
21:02:08 <jongund> rrsagent, make logs world
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21:03:50 <jongund> regrets+ cythnia
21:03:51 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
21:04:07 <shepazu> present+ shepazu
21:04:32 <jongund> JG: I have not heard back from Deque people on creating tests
21:04:56 <jongund> RS: ARIA modal is an issue
21:05:26 <jongund> RS: On the OS X plateform prunes, how do we represent that in the results
21:05:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-modal.3D.22true.22_on_a_dialog
21:05:54 <jongund> JG: Trying what are the different types values/ results we need to represent
21:06:09 <joanie> q+
21:06:12 <jongund> JG: That one sounds like it might be hard and to do a manul test this round
21:07:38 <jongund> JD: What I think would be to do, start a top level container with some children, and then make the dialog appear and then get a child level count
21:08:09 <jongund> JD: When the modal appears the other children will be gone and there will only be one
21:08:35 <jongund> RS: You need to check that ARIA modal, how do you want me to do this
21:09:15 <jongund> JD: Cynthia of proposed JSON object, she had an array
21:09:28 <jongund> JD: I would have an array of element assertions
21:09:52 <jongund> JD: first part of the test has three children...
21:10:32 <jongund> RS: We need to put some additional text, the element X has so many children, but we have to make sure stuff is gone
21:10:40 <jongund> JD: SO the child count one
21:11:10 <jongund> JD: The reason I say child count because it should be available on all platforms
21:11:27 <jongund> RS: So you only want to do a child count
21:11:49 <jongund> JD: SO when you get the modal dialog, it has a single child, the parent ....
21:12:55 <jongund> JG: We have the capability to say something is not defined
21:14:24 <jongund> JD: We need to know that some elements are not there
21:15:44 <jongund> JG: We need to define what we want to test
21:16:45 <jongund> JD: We need to find an object and then test its property, determining if some element does not exist is harder and less reliable
21:17:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-modal.3D.22true.22_on_a_dialog
21:20:58 <jongund> JD: I like the sibling idea
21:21:26 <jongund> JD: Can you do a test where you don't have aria modal and then have modal
21:21:47 <jongund> RS: We have modal=false the next test
21:22:25 <jongund> JD: If we have the sibling test, in one test there will be no siblings and in the next test there will be siblings
21:24:19 <jongund> JD: I would phrase it this way, the parent element with role=test has N child count, so instead of saying sibling we say how many children does the parent have
21:26:02 <jongund> JD: DOes that make sense RS
21:26:24 <jongund> JD: I think you did it right, but the wrong place in the wiki
21:26:42 <jongund> JD: Your statement is only true for the AXPI platform
21:26:52 <jongund> RS: I will put that in there
21:27:13 <jongund> JG: Other issues?
21:27:17 <jongund> RS: No
21:28:06 <shepazu> agenda+ SVG-A11y tests
21:28:38 <jongund> JD: Shane has a sample ATTA, so I am hoping to a demo at TPAC for my plateform
21:28:45 <jongund> JG: Good news!
21:29:03 <jongund> JD: I working on it and think I am close
21:29:33 <jongund> JD: My platform accessibility listener, we need to block the main thread
21:29:59 <jongund> JD: The other thing I am hoping, ... , IA2
21:30:49 <jongund> JG: You have code, we can translate it to C#
21:31:26 <jongund> JD: NVDA does IA2, if it doesn't have to be in C# and then it could be done Python
21:33:29 <jongund> JG: Send me a link to your code and we can take a look at it
21:34:10 <jongund> JD: I have a question, can Jon participate
21:34:49 <jongund> RS: I need to leave, can you take a look what I did for ATK
21:35:00 <jongund> JD: Technically no, but I know what you mean
21:35:18 <jongund> JD: I am looking for state model is set
21:35:36 <jongund> JD: If it is not in the state set....
21:35:48 <jongund> RS: You want it to say....
21:35:59 <jongund> JD: In column 2 ...
21:36:52 <jongund> ... discussion of ATK mapping details for state modal ...
21:37:17 <jongund> JD: What you have is parsable, but not technically correct
21:37:40 <jongund> RS: What do we do with shown, what do you want me to do?
21:37:56 <jongund> JD: Present versus absent
21:38:06 <jongund> ....
21:38:21 <jongund> RS: I am going to put true
21:38:31 <jongund> RS: I am leaving
21:39:32 <jongund> DS: The thing I am interested in is creating tests for SVG, JD has been working with Fred
21:40:15 <jongund> DS: Fred is planning on becoming an invited expert
21:40:59 <jongund> DS: I want to work with JD and Fred on SVG testing
21:41:27 <jongund> JD: All the little kinks are worked out for core ARIA, they can be used for SVG testing
21:42:07 <jongund> JD: We have all these tables and work out the issues, we should be able to use Freds existing tables
21:42:36 <jongund> DS: I will joining these calls on an as needed basis
21:43:15 <jongund> JD: Do we have anyone working on OS X?
21:43:21 <jongund> JG: I am working on it
21:43:49 <jongund> JD: If you are planning on automated testing who will do a platform tools
21:44:06 <jongund> DS: We know there are some limitations with automated testing and accessibility
21:46:59 <jongund> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:46:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/14-aria-test-minutes.html jongund
21:48:13 <jongund> rrsagent, bye
21:48:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items