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14:51:43 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:51:43 Date: 16 August 2016
14:51:51 present+ paulc
14:53:46 Agenda:
14:54:00 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Aug/0047.html
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14:57:17 Anyone on the call? I'm on, but don't hear anything.
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15:01:12 present+ ddorwin
15:01:13 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Aug/0047.html
15:01:20 present+ joesteele
15:01:21 Present+ tidoust
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15:01:48 zakim, who is present?
15:01:48 I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:02:29 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Aug/0047.html
15:02:43 zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:44 Present: paulc, jdsmith, joesteele, MattWolenetz, ddorwin, tidoust
15:03:27 plh: should we wait for you?
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15:03:48 present+ plh
15:04:33 present+ johnsim
15:04:46 zakim, who is on the call?
15:04:46 Present: paulc, jdsmith, joesteele, MattWolenetz, ddorwin, tidoust, plh, johnsim
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15:04:52 scribeNick: plh
15:05:10 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Aug/0047.html
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15:05:29 Topic: Timelines
15:05:42 PaulC: CfC was Aug 2, we missed it
15:05:50 ... we did do a CfC on the features at risk
15:05:53 ... and that passed
15:07:21 David: what's the absolute last date?
15:07:36 PaulC: if we have a PR by September 31, I think we'll be ok
15:07:51 ... otherwise we'll have to figure what's the Director will do
15:08:14 Topic: MSE editorial issues
15:08:32 Paul: what's the next step?
15:08:57 Matt: #99, I have comments from Jerry
15:09:11 ... minor comment change, should land today
15:09:46 .. the change didn't occur in w3c/html
15:09:54 ... so we're taking a fallback solution
15:10:10 ... monkeypatching :(
15:10:23 Paul: I pinged Travis yesterday but didn't see a response
15:10:50 Matt: #104, that's PR #146 and needs review
15:10:57 Jerry: I'll do that today
15:11:07 Matt: I don't think those are substantial changes
15:11:20 Status on #99 - PR has been reviewed and Matt will implement this today
15:11:30 ... Matt: we're already async
15:12:57 PaulC: #74?
15:13:04 Plh: end of next week
15:13:07 #74 does NOT block our prep of a draft PR for MSE
15:13:28 Topic: MSE recent issues
15:13:56 Matt: #124 gets to some edge cases
15:14:06 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/124
15:14:06 ... it matters when playback reaches the end
15:14:19 ... rendering the whole frame beyond the duration
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15:14:28 ... Chrome has a bug
15:14:41 ... Mozilla doesn't support partial frame rendering
15:15:03 Jerry: not sure what the current behavior is but our preference is not to do partial frame rendering
15:15:16 ... so behave like if we don't
15:15:33 Matt: ok, I'll update the spec and we'll process the Chrome bug
15:15:53 Paul: I don't think it's substantive
15:16:10 ... but I'll highlight the change in the CfC
15:16:21 Jerry: is it going to break some sites?
15:16:25 Matt: hard to tell
15:16:59 ... if we disallow the increase of time
15:17:11 Paul: ok, Matt will produce a PR
15:17:16 ... this is a V1
15:17:34 Matt: #147, not sure I understand this one yet
15:17:38 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/147
15:17:40 ... I'll keep looking at it
15:18:21 Paul: ok, let's assume we do those things in the next 48 hours. is that possible?
15:18:28 Matt: yes, except for #147
15:18:41 Topic: removal of @risks
15:18:47 Matt: those have been done
15:19:08 ... Jerry should feel free to double check
15:19:16 Jerry (and Mark) to review changes for at risk features
15:19:31 Matt: we can revert those changes in v.next btw
15:19:51 Topic: MSE test suite
15:20:06 Paul: major concern is the emails from Mozilla
15:20:12 ... speaking of bugs in the test suite
15:20:21 ... we have outstanding pull requests to fix those
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15:20:48 Matt: we need to merge Francois PRs first
15:21:13 ... don't know if the changes from Mozilla are getting upstreamed
15:22:38 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3Amedia-source
15:23:18 Paul: ok. first is to review and merges Francois PR
15:23:21 [I note https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/3179 probably does not need to be merged anymore since Mozilla merged a similar update]
15:23:31 ... then determine if the changes from Mozilla were covered
15:23:41 ... then figures out if we need more changes
15:24:04 ... would be useful to get a report
15:24:19 Correction: tidoust has 11 open PRs
15:24:21 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3Amedia-source+author%3Atidoust
15:25:41 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3Amedia-source+author%3Aplehegar
15:26:09 Topic: Prep for MSE PR CfC
15:26:26 Paul: we need to close the issues and close out the test suite and rerun the tests
15:26:51 ... I'm hoping we can have all of the PRs done this week
15:26:59 ... we'll need en editor's draft
15:27:08 ... that is stable
15:28:20 .. I'll start a thread on the editor list
15:29:51 Topic: EME Editorial issues
15:30:00 David: we're pretty good
15:30:12 ... waiting on plh to do his PR
15:30:59 ... on WebIDL, there are some respec issues. worked around that
15:31:42 Paul: Joe is ok with issue 273 so this unblocks 301
15:32:30 David: #211 is going to be done
15:32:41 ... by Mark as soon as 301 is done
15:33:25 Paul: ok, so 273, 301, and 211
15:33:36 PlH: I'll do the final issues by end of next week
15:33:47 Topic: EME other issues
15:34:08 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/288
15:34:21 Paul: for #288, we got proposed text from Wendy
15:34:53 Wendy: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/288#issuecomment-239995220
15:34:57 ... she seems to be asking for legal text to be added into a technical document
15:35:25 ... against the implications of US jurisdictions
15:35:37 Mark: if it's legal, I'll ask our legal folks to look at this
15:35:50 Paul: not sure how I'll get consensus from a legal point of view
15:36:10 ... I encourage people to ask legal folks to look at this
15:36:29 Jerry: so if legal is ok, can we do the change?
15:36:32 Paul: not sure
15:37:12 Mark: it's pretty unlikely we'll accept the change
15:37:35 Paul: Wendy didn't say that she is ready to raise a formal objection yet
15:37:43 ... she is asking for a change
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15:38:32 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/284
15:38:43 Paul: #284 needs to be triaged
15:38:49 ... whether this is vnext or v1
15:39:25 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/304
15:40:01 Paul: #304 is asking for a normative change that would make it a requirement to turn off EME by default and turning it on would require a prompt to the user
15:40:23 ... there is a text along these lines but not mandatory
15:40:42 ... and he wants it to be normative and mandatory
15:40:50 ... he wants its issue to be treated separately
15:41:02 ... again, I need editors to look at thise
15:41:08 s/thise/this/
15:41:24 ... we already know that this would be a FO if we reject the proposed change
15:41:53 Topic: EME features @risks
15:42:23 Paul: 'The "persistent-usage-record" session type and the related MediaKeySession destroyed algorithm."
15:42:42 ... what's the status here?
15:42:57 David: I think there is still confusion
15:43:07 ... and whether we have conforming implementations
15:43:13 ... which I don't think is the case
15:43:17 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
15:43:33 ... some work would be needed to increase interop on this feature, so vnext imho
15:43:52 Mark: we don't have multiple implementations
15:44:08 ... Edge does it
15:44:27 ... depends on how much progress implementations will make
15:44:48 Paul: I heard we need to give this a little more time
15:45:51 Paul: 'Setting the media element's readyState value based on key availability in the Queue a "waitingforkey" Event and Attempt to Resume Playback If Necessary algorithms.'
15:46:15 David: don't have an issue for it, just waiting to avoid going back to CR if we need to remove it
15:46:21 ... don't think we have tests
15:46:28 ... and we need some
15:46:34 We need tests for the 2nd at risk feature: Setting the media element's readyState value based on key availability in the Queue a "waitingforkey" Event and Attempt to Resume Playback If Necessary algorithms.
15:46:44 Paul:
15:46:56 Paul: 'Support for insecure contexts, including the Are insecure contexts allowed? algorithm and steps that call it.'
15:47:01 David: was removed a few weeks ago
15:47:16 3rd at risk feature was already removed: Support for insecure contexts, including the Are insecure contexts allowed? algorithm and steps that call it.
15:47:43 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/220
15:48:09 Topic: EME test suite
15:48:23 Paul: seems we didn't make much progress last week
15:48:45 Mark: we keep working at it, so ongoing
15:49:13 Paul: do we have a multi-DRM strategy?
15:49:44 Mark: yes. we have some servers
15:51:08 Paul: send a summary if you manage to make progress in next 48 hours
15:51:21 Mark: sure, and we welcome help to migrate the clear key tests
15:51:27 Topic: AOB
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15:51:42 Paul: thanks to the editors
15:51:53 +1 to that — thanks to the editors
15:53:17 ... I'll evaluate whether we need to have an other meeting depending on progress
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15:53:38 Chair: Paul
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