IRC log of multimodal on 2016-08-08

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Meeting: MMI WG
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scribe: Kaz
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scribenick: kaz
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-mmi-wg/2016Aug/0001.html
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topic: actions
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action-447?
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action-447 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Review updated vocabulary -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/447
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kaz: not yet...
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ddahl: she wanted to update the draft
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... need to check with her
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... might be better to wait for the next draft
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kaz: will skim the current one
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... and will review the updated one
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ddahl: discussion during the previous call about the expected updates
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kaz: ok
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dirk: have problem with accessing the Tracker and the Wiki
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ddahl: if you have your W3C account, it should work for the wiki
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kaz: you need to login the wiki to edit it
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... but your account should work for it
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... would like to check with the Systeam
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"/me your account"
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ddahl: regarding Helena's document?
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kaz: will check the prev minutes as well
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ddahl: ok
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topic: Use Cases
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized Use Cases wiki
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dirk: sent my slides to the group list
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-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2016Jun/att-0007/Multimodal_Interaction_in_Cars.pdf Dirk's slides
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kaz: sorry but failed to bring this to the Automotive group during the f2f meeting in Portland
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... will talk with the group co-Chairs about when to discuss UI topics
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dirk: maybe not the whole Automotive WG but some sub group would work
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kaz: right
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ddahl: maybe we could form a joint TF
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kaz: there is a possibility not the WG side but the BG side is interested
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... I'll talk with both the Automotive WG and the Automotive BG
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-> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Vehicle_Information_Service_Specification Automotive Information Service discussion
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-> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Vehicle_Information_Service_Specification#WebSocket_Channel_Authorization
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kaz: they are planning to specify data point using "path" parameter based on GENIVI's VSS definition
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ddahl: how to specify door, etc.
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kaz: the original vehicle data spec had an idea of "zone" for that purpose
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... so how to specify position is one of the issues for the new interface
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... how to distinguish multiple sessions is another discussion point
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ddahl: how about discovery?
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kaz: discovery is not yet discussed
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... I think the basic expectation is that the IVI system is already installed and discovery is not needed
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... but at some point we need to think about discovery again when we want to integrate external services and additional devices
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ddahl: we have UC-12 for Smart Car Platform
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-12:_Smart_Car_Platform Smart Car Platform
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ddahl: (updates the wiki)
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... GENIVI use Qt or HTML5 for GUI
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... Automotive WG develops an approach to low-level interaction in the vehicle with WebSockets
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kaz: another question is how to detect availability of sensors and properties
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... it seems the current vehicle service spec draft says we'll get 503 error if the sensor is not available
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topic: Web of Things coordination
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kaz: Jim Barnett and I joined the WoT IG call last week
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... and explained what SCXML was like
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... people were interested in SCXML and how to use it for concrete WoT systems
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... Automotive use cases may be good
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... will continue the discussion on the list
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... I mentioned Dirk was working on automotive use cases and talking with him would make sense
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topic: Use Cases revisit
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ddahl: what about UC-18 smart remote for appliances?
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-18_smart_remote_for_appliances UC-18 smart remote for appliances
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ddahl: good use case for WoT as well
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... might want to see Dirk's paper for the SCXML workshop
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... UC-7 is also related to smart appliances
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... and related to geolocation/geospatial too
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... is anybody interested in adding dependency information?
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action: kaz to talk with the Systeam about Dirk's account for the use case wiki
14:07:28 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-451 - Talk with the systeam about dirk's account for the use case wiki [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2016-08-15].
14:08:20 [kaz]
kaz: btw, at some point, maybe we might want to publish this use case wiki as a group note
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ddahl: +1
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... but before that we need to work more
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[ adjourned ]
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present: Debbie, Dirk, Kaz
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regrets: Helena
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsaent, draft minutes
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
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s/rrsaent, draft minutes//
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
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Chair: Debbie
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
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s/sent my slides to the group list/sent my slides to the public list
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl
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