IRC log of aapi on 2016-05-24
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 24 May 2016
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ Administration (All) What is new from ARIA meetings that needs addressing here.
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- agenda+ ACTION-2054/ISSUE-1025 (Rich) Coordinate mappings for new enumerated values of aria-haspopup.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Periodic checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI.
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- agenda+ ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1533 (Joanie) Investigate/create minimal javascript at-spi2 listener for automating 1.1 tests.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1373 (Cynthia) Test case for aria-posinset/aria-setsize when not explicitly set.
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- agenda+ ISSUE-1026 (All) aria-errormessage mappings.
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- agenda+ Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
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- agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
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- agenda+ be done.
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- we meeting today?
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- scribe: joanie
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- present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- s/we meeting today?//
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- present+ Cynthia_Shelly
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Administration (All) What is new from ARIA meetings that needs addressing here." taken up [from clown]
- 19:09:14 [joanie]
- JS: I'm just back from vacation.
- 19:09:21 [joanie]
- JS: Anything I should know about?
- 19:09:31 [joanie]
- JS: That impact accessibility mappings.
- 19:09:36 [joanie]
- CS: Trying to get to CR in June.
- 19:09:53 [joanie]
- JS: Yes. But the Core AAM is not going to make it to CR in June.
- 19:10:00 [joanie]
- JS: We'll be playing catch-up.
- 19:10:10 [joanie]
- JS: But hopefully the ARIA spec will be in shape by then.
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- CS: And we'll also be tesing then.
- 19:12:24 [joanie]
- JD: (Reviews commit list to ARIA spec and mentions several item.)
- 19:13:34 [joanie]
- JS: I'm still catching up on the lists. So I'll find out more as I go along.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "ACTION-2054/ISSUE-1025 (Rich) Coordinate mappings for new enumerated values of aria-haspopup." taken up [from clown]
- 19:13:59 [joanie]
- JS: Rich isn't here yet.
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- JS: Unless someone has updates, let's continue.
- 19:14:29 [Rich]
- RS: I have all but Apple
- 19:14:51 [Rich]
- RS: Recommend putting in my drop and have Joanie add the apple piece
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- action-2054
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- action-2054 -- Matthew King to Expand aria-haspopup to support a token list of values -- due 2016-04-28 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2054
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- issue-1025
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- issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated type values for aria-haspopup -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025
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- action-2056
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- action-2056 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-05-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
- 19:17:09 [joanie]
- JS: I have a note in Rich's action that he needs to modify the error section of the Core AAM.
- 19:18:01 [joanie]
- RS: I have everything done except for Apple.
- 19:18:13 [joanie]
- RS: Joanie was going to work on the implementation.
- 19:18:35 [joanie]
- RS: So we could merge in my changes.
- 19:19:27 [Rich]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/action2056
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- JS + RS: (Discuss how to do the actual merge)
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_state-property_table
- 19:20:54 [joanie]
- JS: The above URL gets you close to where the changes are.
- 19:21:03 [joanie]
- JS: Do we want separate entries for these?
- 19:21:24 [joanie]
- RS: I think so. It's consistent with what we've done for smiliar items.
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#document-handling_author-errors
- 19:21:33 [joanie]
- RS: The only thing I do not have is AXAPI.
- 19:22:08 [joanie]
- JD: Making the changes in WebKit is on my to-do list.
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- action-2056?
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- action-2056 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-05-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
- 19:24:25 [joanie]
- RS: I'll update the action and assign it to Joanie.
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#document-handling_author-errors
- 19:25:16 [joanie]
- JS: Rich, where did you change the errors?
- 19:25:25 [joanie]
- JS: The above URL is where I'm looking.
- 19:25:37 [joanie]
- RS: It had to do with default states.
- 19:26:17 [joanie]
- RS: If you go down to the table under "author errors".
- 19:26:31 [joanie]
- RS: (Reads from text)
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- JS: I only see it on menu item.
- 19:26:51 [joanie]
- RS: It's on combobox as well.
- 19:27:04 [joanie]
- RS: Those are the only two that have to have them.
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- RS: The default is listbox.
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- JS: I will try to merge it in soon.
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- Topic: UIA Range Pattern
- 19:28:29 [joanie]
- RS: Cynthia, range-related roles have a role mapping, but not a pattern.
- 19:28:44 [joanie]
- CS: If you give me an action, I'll add it.
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- action: Cynthia to add UIA Range Value Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider).
- 19:28:54 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2070 - Add uia range value pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider). [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-05-31].
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- action-2070
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- action-2070 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add uia range value pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider). -- due 2016-05-31 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2070
- 19:29:26 [joanie]
- JS: Due date?
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- CS: Rich, when do you need it?
- 19:29:52 [joanie]
- RS: I'm just trying to lock the ARIA spec down.
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- CS: July 1st.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Periodic checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI." taken up [from clown]
- 19:30:36 [joanie]
- JD: Still on hold.
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- action-1409?
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- action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position, level, and other api be added (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1409
- 19:31:08 [joanie]
- JS: As I recall, you want this brought up each week.
- 19:31:21 [joanie]
- JD: Yes please. Poke me until I do it.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 was just opened, joanie
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states. [from clown]
- 19:31:32 [joanie]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states." taken up [from clown]
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- action-980?
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- action-980 -- Cynthia Shelly to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
- 19:31:53 [joanie]
- JS: This is the section on ARIA managed states.
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- CS: I've not yet gotten to this.
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- CS: Give me two weeks.
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- JS: 7th of June.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "ACTION-1533 (Joanie) Investigate/create minimal javascript at-spi2 listener for automating 1.1 tests." taken up [from clown]
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- action-1533?
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- action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
- 19:32:54 [joanie]
- JS: We dealt with this last meeting.
- 19:33:00 [joanie]
- JS: But it's due today.
- 19:33:38 [joanie]
- JD: This is part of the automated testing stuff we're working on.
- 19:34:13 [joanie]
- JD: Please poke me in a week.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "ACTION-1373 (Cynthia) Test case for aria-posinset/aria-setsize when not explicitly set." taken up [from clown]
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- action-1373?
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- action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1373
- 19:34:38 [joanie]
- JS: This one is Cynthia's action to create a test case.
- 19:34:50 [joanie]
- JS: Before we were waiting on the ability to add test cases to the test harness.
- 19:34:57 [joanie]
- JS: I think that's in place now.
- 19:35:07 [joanie]
- CS: I'm working through the HTML AAM mappings now.
- 19:35:14 [joanie]
- CS: Then I'll be on the Core AAM.
- 19:35:20 [joanie]
- CS: Please give me three weeks.
- 19:35:25 [joanie]
- Zakim, next item.
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- agendum 7. "ISSUE-1026 (All) aria-errormessage mappings." taken up [from clown]
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- issue-1026?
- 19:35:32 [trackbot]
- issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
- 19:35:41 [joanie]
- JS: How is this going?
- 19:35:54 [joanie]
- JS: I have actions on Joanmarie, Alex, and James Craig.
- 19:35:59 [joanie]
- JS: They were due a while ago.
- 19:36:55 [joanie]
- JD: (Summarizes the status being stalled and James Teh having objections)
- 19:37:42 [joanie]
- JS: Joanie had originally proposed to make a description (via relationship).
- 19:37:58 [joanie]
- JS: Because relations can have multiple targets.
- 19:38:07 [joanie]
- RS: How do you tell which is the error?
- 19:38:11 [joanie]
- JD: Object attribute.
- 19:38:24 [joanie]
- RS: You could map it that way.
- 19:38:41 [joanie]
- JS: But James Teh didn't like that either.
- 19:38:41 [clown]
- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002010.html
- 19:40:11 [clown]
- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002013.html
- 19:41:04 [clown]
- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-March/002027.html
- 19:41:36 [joanie]
- JS: Reading from the above emails.
- 19:42:28 [joanie]
- JS: The thread starts in February, continues in March, and goes into April.
- 19:42:36 [clown]
- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-April/002030.html
- 19:42:48 [joanie]
- JS: I believe the above is the latest from James Teh.
- 19:43:28 [joanie]
- RS: I don't know what it means to merge it into a description (quoting James' comment).
- 19:45:44 [clown]
- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-April/002030.html
- 19:45:46 [joanie]
- JD: I don't care much for what the mapping is, and James feels strongly.
- 19:46:12 [joanie]
- JD: Given the apparent desire to have IA2 and ATK to remain as parallel as possible, I will defer to James' preferred mapping.
- 19:46:32 [joanie]
- JD: Rich, would it make sense for you to get a mapping for IA2 out of James?
- 19:46:41 [joanie]
- JD: Then I will accept whatever he wants in ATK.
- 19:47:10 [joanie]
- JD: I can add new API to ATK, and a new relation type is quick and easy (we don't need the to-be-created AtkAccessible interface for that).
- 19:47:23 [joanie]
- RS: Ok, I'll reply to James Teh.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 8. "Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
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- action-1695
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- action-1695 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose UIA mapping for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-03-08 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695
- 19:53:34 [joanie]
- JS: Why is this mine?
- 19:53:45 [joanie]
- CS: I providing the mapping. You just need to put it in, I think.
- 19:53:49 [joanie]
- JS: Is it in a note?
- 19:53:57 [joanie]
- CS: Yes, a couple of notes ago.
- 19:54:15 [joanie]
- CS: I could do a pull request, but that's not typically how we've been doing things.
- 19:54:25 [joanie]
- JS: You say we have two options.
- 19:55:19 [clown]
- AcceleratorKey = the contents of aria-kbdshortcuts.
- 19:55:55 [joanie]
- CS: AcceleratorKey, yes.
- 19:56:06 [joanie]
- CS: Mnemonic is something I'd like to do in the future.
- 19:56:13 [joanie]
- JS: I'll put that one in.
- 19:56:37 [joanie]
- RS: We have a lot of outstanding issues.
- 19:56:54 [joanie]
- RS: We may need to just divvy it up and get them done.
- 19:57:06 [joanie]
- RS: We won't be adding new things to ARIA.
- 19:57:20 [joanie]
- RS: And to write the test cases, we need to know what the mappings are.
- 19:57:24 [joanie]
- JS: I know.
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- Zakim, part
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly
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- RRSAgent, stop
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- present+ Richard_Schwerdtfeger
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- RRSAgent, stop
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