See also: IRC log
<fesch> agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Feb/0041.html
<shepazu> regrets for today, I'm at a f2f meeting
<scribe> scribe: Rich
<fesch> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/
Amelia: My open actions tie into
SVG-AAM based on feedback. I have started it but I am not yet
ready to share it.
... Regarding clearer documentation in SVG2 it will make it
easier to address issues with focus management in SVG2
Rich: there are issues with HTMl vs. SVG2 where both don’t match
Amelia: I agree for focus
management. They links and definitions are inconsistent and we
can’t fix the HTML side
... I am going to make sure we have clear directions on the SVG
side to ensure Focus navigation is consistent.
... what elements can be accessible with tabindex. What element
are focusable, etc.
... I agree with your issue filed.
<fesch> action-2003
<trackbot> action-2003 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Investigate how role=none interacts with other aria- attributes, in other aria specs. -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2003
Action-2003?
<trackbot> Action-2003 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Investigate how role=none interacts with other aria- attributes, in other aria specs. -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2003
Amelia: if something has role=“none” and they have an aria-label that they not put in the a11y tree. Rich to check with ARIA 1.1
Action-2010?
<trackbot> Action-2010 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Update svg-aam and svg 2 to include the new roles from the aria graphics module -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2010
<fesch> action-1004
<trackbot> Sorry, but action-1004 does not exist.
<fesch> issue-1004
<trackbot> issue-1004 -- The Use element should default to graphics-symbol and also graphics symbol should subclass graphic -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/issues/1004
RESOLUTION: Close Action 2010 and issue 1004
<scribe> completed
<fesch> action-2011
<trackbot> action-2011 -- Fred Esch to Review svg 2 section on multi-lingual title/desc & identify any under-specified conditions or edge cases -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2011
Fred: One of the things taht we
found was an empty title
... with an empty tooltip or a white spaced tooltip none show a
tooltip
Amelia: Rich and I udpated them on the call and there is nothing in the spec. about it. They are deferring to us in accessibility matters
Fred: We would put it in the accessibility tree if they showed a tooltip
Rich: I spoke with the core mapping team and they agreed that if they put in an empty title and then we do nothing special in the name computation.
Fred: what about whether we keep the element in the tree?
Rich: we keep it as we have it
Amelia: we put these issues in authoring tools to warn the author
RESOLUTION: If an empty title or a title with all whitespace is used then the element is put in the accessibility tree for elements that are considered renderable.
Amelia: we assume the attribute
exists aria-label=“” then it is consistent. However,
aria-labelledby must point to a a valid id.
... the <desc> element must be treated the same way
... we might want to up this to a normative rule for
authors.
<scribe> ACTION: Amelia: modify the SVG2 spec. to require authors when useing <title> or <desc> to not leave them empty or with only white space. An author MUST [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/23-svg-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2015 - Modify the svg2 spec. to require authors when useing <title> or <desc> to not leave them empty or with only white space. an author must [on Amelia Bellamy-Royds - due 2016-03-01].
RESOLUTION: <desc> must follow the same rules for <title> regarding empty or whitespace only strings
<MarkS> action-2012
<trackbot> action-2012 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Change mesh in aam to map to image -- due 2016-02-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2012
https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#implicit-aria-semantics
Rich: for mesh: none role provided no associated ‘title’ element, ‘desc’ element, ‘aria-label’ attribute, ‘aria-labelledby’ attribute, ‘aria-describedby’ attribute; or ‘tabindex’ attribute; otherwise, img role
RESOLUTION: close Action 2012
close action-2012
<trackbot> Closed action-2012.
<AmeliaBR> Relevant text from SVG 2 "Unlike other paint servers, a mesh defined outside of a ‘defs’ section is rendered. In this the case, the mesh has a bounding box determined by its maximum extent, taking into account all of its patches."
<fesch> action-2013
<trackbot> action-2013 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Update allowed roles in svg-aam & svg 2 to include new graphics module roles -- due 2016-02-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2013
<fesch> close action-2013
<trackbot> Closed action-2013.
RESOLUTION: Close Action 2013 as completed
<MarkS> action-2009
<trackbot> action-2009 -- Fred Esch to Create testable statements with multiple title/desc elements -- due 2016-02-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2009
<fesch> http://doodle.com/poll/zxmyzm728qr4chatnnhunhch/admin#table
RESOLUTION: Move meeting times to 2PM EST
<fesch> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions
Fred: There are a few test
assertions that are purposeful
... If you look where teh test element is the second
element
<fesch> test element is second element
Fred: that is one
... how many tests do we need to do before we know it is
OK?
Amelia: We can’t test everything but we have to test the main branches of a decision tree to make sure we have a decision for that
<fesch> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions/Language
Fred: on the other pages we have
the language test
... they have lots of things like multiple titles
... They have groups around multiple things that are being
tested to have a non-english example
... are we ok with that? If we want more can we just put that
in?
Amelia: Where specific edge case
are needed we do that.
... I need to read through what you have
Fred: Charles said when you annotate things with an accessible name and it just stops
Amelia: We need to make sure we have multiple elements in the test. then we do that.
Rich: we could have a 2 page test with all the the element to test if in or outside the tree
Fred: we need a unique id for the test in the page. so, each one has to be on separate pages
Amelia: we have discussed all of
these but we do not have resolutions for all of these
... We briefed the SVG2 working group and they left it up to us
to deal with a11y issues
Amelia: I gave it a quick overview but I am not an expert.
Rich: I gave the graphics spec. to James Craig at Apple and Joanie Diggs at Igalia and they will come back with Mac and Linux mappings
Fred: If you have an SVG document and the first element is <g> and it has an aria-label of “bob” it just says bob.
Rich: where was that tested?
Amelia: we shoudl be giving advice for maximum reasonable accessibility
s/shouldl/should/
Fred: I have a perl script that has an SVG document and an HTML file that makes the SVG document in line
Rich: every platform has a different set of APIs
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=4
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=4&testcase_id=76
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=80
<scribe> chair: Fred
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