IRC log of dap on 2016-02-18

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 18 February 2016

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Feb/0057.html

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Regrets+ Tobie_Langel

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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch

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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

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Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux

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ScribeNick: fjh

14:46:07 [fjh]

Topic: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements

14:53:04 [fjh]

fjh: Privacy call (PING) to discuss Vibration API, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2016JanMar/0026.html

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15:03:10 [Andrey_Logvinov]

Present+ Andrey_Logvinov

15:03:26 [anssik]

Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen

15:05:31 [fjh]

Topic: Minutes approval

15:05:35 [anssik]

+1 to approve

15:05:40 [fjh]

Approve minutes from 4 Feb 2016, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Feb/att-0035/minutes-2016-02-04.html

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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 4 Feb 2016 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Feb/att-0035/minutes-2016-02-04.html

15:05:56 [fjh]

Topic: Generic Sensor API

15:06:09 [fjh]

fjh: Tobie not on call so not much to discuss

15:06:25 [fjh]

anssik: tobie will put out update by this month, also ambient light

15:06:38 [fjh]

… also publish updated WD

15:06:45 [fjh]

… cannot automate it yet

15:06:54 [fjh]

fjh: WD update

15:07:48 [fjh]

fjh: need prepared editors draft including status section update, not a too slow to publish

15:07:52 [fjh]

fjh: would like to send CfC

15:08:22 [fjh]

fjh: good practice, not much delay with 1 week CfC, so lets do a CfC

15:08:38 [fjh]

… tue and thur are publication date

15:09:06 [fjh]

… need draft to see before deciding

15:10:00 [fjh]

… also need to understand what open issues remain - does not block WD

15:10:19 [fjh]

Topic: Battery Status API

15:10:28 [fjh]

fjh: where are we

15:10:48 [fjh]

anssi: identified root cause for test failures, fixed the test cases

15:11:10 [fjh]

… root cause was that test case should not be run too early, ordering of test cases

15:11:26 [fjh]

… update sent yesterday

15:11:41 [anssik]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Feb/0061.html

15:12:38 [fjh]

… one test remaining, Zhiqiang will work on this starting next week

15:13:05 [fjh]

… once that is done we can move to PR

15:13:12 [fjh]

fjh: how did you see the issue

15:13:31 [fjh]

anssik: Zhiqiang had tool to watch variables

15:13:38 [fjh]

fjh: is that tool available to others

15:13:51 [fjh]

anssik: Zhiqiang will include in test suite

15:14:57 [fjh]

fjh: so the timing should work with Dom being back

15:15:05 [fjh]

Topic: Vibration

15:15:16 [fjh]

fjh: lots of privacy discussion, see PING call for next week

15:15:55 [fjh]

fjh: I have a conflict but if you can attend it might be useful

15:16:27 [anssik]

https://github.com/w3c/vibration/pull/1

15:16:59 [fjh]

fjh: expect we can go to REC again without too much trouble, since we are not changing normative requirements that impact implementations

15:17:15 [fjh]

anssik: page visibility does not impact implementations or testing, better language

15:18:15 [fjh]

… note migrated from CVS to git , easier to review

15:18:30 [fjh]

… this is what to review: https://github.com/w3c/vibration/pull/1/files

15:20:03 [fjh]

fjh: I did not see discussion regarding privacy, wasn’t aware

15:20:27 [fjh]

anssik: request to mirror to list but awaiting for Dom until he is back

15:20:52 [fjh]

fjh: thanks for this work

15:21:12 [fjh]

… will review, shall we send message to list asking for review

15:21:40 [fjh]

fjh: I’ll ask for review

15:21:48 [fjh]

s/review/review by the WG/

15:22:14 [fjh]

fjh: need to check what PING is looking at, should be this one

15:23:05 [anssik]

https://rawgit.com/anssiko/vibration/rec-errata/index.html

15:23:32 [fjh]

fjh: excellent, will make sure PING sees this as well as WG

15:24:13 [fjh]

action: fjh to request review of Anssi update of Vibration from WG and PING (pull request version)

15:24:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-745 - Request review of anssi update of vibration from wg and ping (pull request version) [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2016-02-25].

15:24:54 [fjh]

Topic: WakeLock API

15:25:05 [fjh]

Remaining issues; https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Jan/0077.html

15:25:29 [fjh]

Andrey_Logvinov: remaining issues are feature requests as opposed to issues

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… desires for control of timeouts etc

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… ongoing discussion, no consensus on how to deal with them

15:26:48 [fjh]

fjh: we have fast WD publication for this one, so the question is when to go to CR

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anssik: behind flag in chromium?

15:26:58 [fjh]

Andrey_Logvinov: yues

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s/yues/yes/

15:27:15 [fjh]

anssik: other implementations?

15:27:23 [fjh]

Andrey_Logvinov: not yet

15:28:52 [fjh]

anssik: can we go to CR

15:29:10 [fjh]

fjh: can, since call for implementation, but better to have more implementation experience first, or confidence

15:29:21 [fjh]

fjh: what about Mozilla, Marcos is involved

15:29:30 [fjh]

Andrey_Logvinov: not sure what they are doing

15:30:09 [fjh]

anssik: key use case was Firefox OS, but now be refocused, so no longer under development, so could be lower priority

15:30:16 [fjh]

… use case is for mobile

15:30:30 [fjh]

fjh: need two implementations at least to progress

15:30:58 [fjh]

anssik: what about iOS, apple

15:31:08 [fjh]

… mobile feature, so that leaves Android and iOS

15:31:22 [fjh]

… maybe Firefox for Android, another question for Marcos

15:31:44 [fjh]

Andrey_Logvinov: not just mobile, can be for any platform

15:32:07 [fjh]

anssik: high value is for mobile, delay differences

15:32:56 [fjh]

fjh: who to ask?

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… people in second screen group?

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anssik: probably not right people

15:34:07 [fjh]

fjh: who in apple would be right person to ask, having reason to be interested

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anssik: they tend to follow, not doing early implementations

15:34:57 [fjh]

… start with Marcos and Mozilla

15:36:29 [fjh]

Topic: Charter

15:38:12 [anssik]

proposed charter in review: https://www.w3.org/2015/11/DeviceSensorsCharter.html

15:39:03 [fjh]

anssik: we’ve been extended to end of march

15:40:11 [fjh]

fjh: I think we will be ok, haven’t seen issue, can work with Dom when he is back

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Topic: Other Business

16:17:47 [fjh]

none

16:17:55 [fjh]

Topic: Adjourn

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-dap-minutes.html fjh

16:29:23 [fjh]

s/not a too slow to publish/once we have that not too difficult or slow to publish WD/

16:29:46 [fjh]

s/before deciding/before deciding on specifics/

16:30:18 [fjh]

s/remain - does/remain, however that should not block publishing WD as we can publish early and often/

16:31:09 [fjh]

s/see discussion/see the github discussion/

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s/awaiting/approval is awaiting/

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-dap-minutes.html fjh

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