IRC log of aria-apg on 2015-11-09
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- Meeting: ARIA APG meeting
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- Chair: Matt
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- present+ Matt King
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- present+ AnnAbbott
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- Agenda+ Pattern work status page update https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
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- Agenda+ Example template and example coding practices update
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- Agenda+ Landmark navigation pattern review https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#landmarks
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- scribe: AnnAbbott
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- zakim, take up agenda item 1
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- 'item\ 1' does not match any agenda item, annabbott
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- zakim, next agenda item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, annabbott
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- q?
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- ack Jemma
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- q?
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- zakim, take up next agenda item
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- agendum 1. "Pattern work status page update https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status" taken up [from mck]
- 18:16:57 [MichielBijl]
- RRSAgent, makeminutes
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', MichielBijl. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/09-aria-apg-minutes.html MichielBijl
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- 18:19:03 [annabbott]
- Matt - none to tick off
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- present- Matt King matt_king
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- 18:19:43 [annabbott]
- Jemma: done with checkbox 3 example
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- Jon: waiting for it to be integrated into trunk
- 18:20:55 [Jemma_Ku]
- this is pull request https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/1c4d8fcbde1624c6b12d9272873e937e34f
- 18:22:30 [Jemma_Ku]
- https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html\
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- https://cdn.rawgit.com/a11ydoer/practices/master/examples/checkbox/checkbox-3.html
- 18:23:34 [annabbott]
- Matt: example 3 is mixed state checkbox
- 18:23:58 [mck]
- Typo in following:
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- • Changing the state of the standard checkboxes will update the state fo the ARIA mixed checkbox.
- 18:27:31 [annabbott]
- Matt: NVDA doesn't read the individual labels, only the grouping label
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- when tabbing
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- sorry my pc died.
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- Matt: JAWS reads grouping label first when arrowing followed by individual label
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- Matt: tabbing or X (special key) JAWS reads individual label followed by grouping label
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- Jon: ID refs are not in source code
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- Jon: should spell out ID refs
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- Jon: should not provide multiple labeling techniques
- 18:34:48 [Birkir]
- condaments taste better when they are in a fieldset.
- 18:37:32 [Birkir]
- Should we run the code through the html5 validator?
- 18:42:33 [annabbott]
- Jon: should be careful if HTML spec isn't final yet
- 18:44:53 [MichielBijl]
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- 18:46:07 [annabbott]
- ok Michiel!
- 18:46:19 [MichielBijl]
- bgaraventa1979: I'm for the aria solutions, because we can point people at one spec.
- 18:46:30 [MichielBijl]
- mck: so not the fieldset idea?
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- bgaraventa1979: yeah for now
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- IanPouncey: I'm fine with that, if it's good enough.
- 18:48:37 [MichielBijl]
- Jon: what does the ARIA 5.1 spec say?
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- mck: you mean what it says in the mapping guide?
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- jongund: how stable is that document?
- 18:49:22 [LJWatson]
- HTML5.1 ARIA: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aria/
- 18:49:28 [MichielBijl]
- mck: I don't know, exspect it as we go through there would be adjustments
- 18:49:36 [MichielBijl]
- jongund: I meant fundamental changes
- 18:50:43 [MichielBijl]
- LJWatson: what are we looking for in the mapping that would mix things up?
- 18:51:04 [MichielBijl]
- LJWatson: the a11y name calculation looks at the a11y tree
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- mck: there is nothing that says it would be dependent on the content
- 18:53:44 [jongund]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/
- 18:56:47 [LJWatson]
- HTML checked state test cases http://ljwatson.github.io/test-cases/checked-state/case.html
- 19:01:15 [MichielBijl]
- mck: you're saying that in firefox the mixed state is not supported at all?
- 19:01:25 [MichielBijl]
- mck: native windows checkboxes do
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- mck: let's make a descission
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- mck: our initial goal was to show aria usage
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- mck: we have three examples that are all aria
- 19:03:02 [MichielBijl]
- mck: the only thing that got us in this discussion was the labeling technique
- 19:03:22 [MichielBijl]
- mck: like the idea to use fieldset and legend for the labelling technique
- 19:03:43 [MichielBijl]
- mck: with minimal amount of aria scripting
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- mck: and still get their three state checkbox
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- mck: any objections?
- 19:04:51 [MichielBijl]
- mck: no objection, jemma can you make the change?
- 19:10:34 [jongund]
- I have to go
- 19:11:44 [Birkir]
- In ARIA 1.0 aria-checked is actually not allowed on the checkbox role, this was fixed in ARIA 1.1, one of my favorite oddities.
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- html label applied to a simulated form field sod not appear to work, at least with Jaws in IE/FF,
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- This code does not announce as expected (Jaws guesses label from nearest paragraph, not fromt he associated label): <label for="ch1">Are you able to vote?</label> <p>Are you a man or a mouse?</p> <span role="checkbox" aria-checked="false" id="ch1"></span>
- 19:13:31 [MichielBijl]
- http://dir.agosto.nl/accessibility/examples/Alert/index.html
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- mck: Michiel you had an alert example?
- 19:13:56 [MichielBijl]
- MichielBijl: correct
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- MichielBijl: it shows an alert after two seconds
- 19:22:21 [jemma]
- this is the link to example.js file which outputs html code to the template page.
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- https://github.com/a11ydoer/practices/blob/master/examples/js/examples.js
- 19:28:29 [jemma]
- https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/blob/master/practices/examples/js/examples.js
- 19:28:40 [MichielBijl]
- Here is the alert example PR: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/105
- 19:29:38 [jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices/examples/js
- 19:34:01 [MichielBijl]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/98
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- 안녕하세요
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- 안녕
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