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<trackbot> Date: 29 October 2015
http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature
gl: this is tough to test or come up with implementation. need a list of all UAAG features
eh: what does it mean to be
explained in the interface?
... is the label enough? what is the minimal amount of
information?
kp: point out the structure. here is help page, keyboard shortcut page, settings page. would that be enough.
<Kim> Firefox Documentation:
<Kim> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox/get-started
<Kim> Firefox Keyboard Shortcuts list:
chrome documentation:
https://support.google.com/chrome/?p=help&ctx=menu#topic=3227046
chrome keyboard shortcuts:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/157179?hl=en
gl: if documentation meets 3.2.3
then it will meet 3.2.2
... still a large task. There are lots of features to test
Note: we did not test every feature to document implementation
<scribe> scribe: allanj
RESOLUTION: for 3.2.2 and 3.2.3
Note: we did not test every feature to document implementation
Firefox Documentation:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox/get-started
Firefox Keyboard Shortcuts list:
chrome documentation:
https://support.google.com/chrome/?p=help&ctx=menu#topic=3227046
chrome keyboard shortcuts:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/157179?hl=en
ja: UAs used to do this, now with auto updates perhaps they don't provide feature changes as much?
chrome: log of all revisions by version http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/perf/dashboard/ui/changelog.html?url=/trunk/src&range=44202:43900&mode=html
http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/
<Kim> Firefox changelogs for each version:
<Kim> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/
RESOLUTION: for 3.2.4
chrome: log of all revisions by version
http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/
Firefox changelogs for each version:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/
<Kim> Documentation of accessibility features in Firefox
<Kim> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/accessibility-features-firefox-make-firefox-and-we
chrome: accessibility features for all products (chrome listed on the page)
https://www.google.com/accessibility/all-products-features.html
RESOLUTION:
Documentation of accessibility features in Firefox
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/accessibility-features-firefox-make-firefox-and-we
chrome accessibility features for all products (chrome listed on the page)
https://www.google.com/accessibility/all-products-features.html
kp: apple missing stuff...thinks
it is on the individual machine, no on the web.
... things that apply to the machine also apply to all
applications
gl: but there are unique accessibility features in safari that are not documented (or we can't find it)
gl: autofocus move in form fields (ssn, or phone)
kp: many cases on websites that disrupt interaction
can block autofocus with Greasemonkey
RESOLUTION: 3.3.1 greasemonkey or something similar for IE, Chrome, Safari, FF is a possible solution. No other implementation or extensions were found.
RESOLUTION: Chrome, IE, Firefox, Safari do this
what about selection?
screen readers know when something is selected. but can't find any information in windows Inspect tool about selection
we are sure about all but 'selection', the browser knows what is selected because you can copy from a browser
selection is covered in accessibility mapping http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/#mapping_events_selection
though this is selection from a menu item, it is not selection of text in a paragraph
RESOLUTION: 4.1.2 Chrome, IE, Firefox, Safari support all except selection. Need further investigation on selection
gl: first example in reference
document is alternative way of doing something, not an
alternative to the API
... the second example is better
... platform AAPI is not about drag and drop, providing an
alternative way of doing the same task is a good thing, but
does not apply to AAPI. the SC is poorly worded. The intent
provides much better explanation, but seems unrelated to
AApi
... don't have a real life example, of a UI element not
supporting AAPI, and the browser provided a work around
... when a browser can't provide programmatic access to an
interface control, it must provide another method method of
access.
ja: anything on mobile?
kp: most things...no selection,
no controls
... siri is starting to add some functionality, like start an
application. but backspace 3 characters...no, can't say
backspace at all,.
<Greg> Example: A web browser [Internet Explorer] allows the user to choose default colors for text, background, and so forth, using a color picker control in which the user can click on any pixel in a field of overlapping gradients. This control cannot be mapped to any standard control, and thus cannot be easily exposed through MSAA or similar accessibility platform services. Therefore screenreaders and
<Greg> other assistive technology cannot explain the control to the user nor facilitate its use. To make the same functionality available to a wider range of users, the same dialog box that displays the color picker also allows the user to see and edit numeric values for hue, saturation, luminosity, etc.
gl: its there for graphic designers, but helps people with disabilities...a win, win
RESOLUTION: 4.1.3 if the user agent has no custom controls it passes by default.
<Greg> That is, no custom controls that cannot be mapped to one or more standard controls, and thus cannot be exposed through the platform accessibility API (e.g. a gradient color picker cannot be exposed through MSAA).
<Greg> IE uses a gradient color picker, so 4.1.3 requires it to provide an alternative, and it does so with a set of numeric fields. Firefox, on the other hand, uses a set of discrete color buttons for choosing color, which can easily be exposed through the platform accessibility API, and therefore is an N/A for 4.1.3 (at least for this particular set of controls).
<Eric> Accidentally dropped off when trying to unmute. Take care!
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