IRC log of html-a11y on 2015-10-22

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15:03:35 [chaals]
agenda+ MediaController
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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agenda+ More for the agenda?
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agenda+ accesskey
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agenda+ meeting at tpac
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agenda+ workplan - what do we have to work on?
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agenda+ MediaController
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present+ LJWatson
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present+ plh
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Present+ JF
15:06:22 [ShaneM]
present+ ShaneM
15:06:44 [chaals]
-> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m698e501ae0e49419de5fe033e83179be dial-in
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scribenick: ShaneM
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "More for the agenda?" taken up [from chaals]
15:07:58 [ShaneM]
Nothing more for the agenda.
15:08:51 [chaals]
zakim, close item 1
15:08:51 [Zakim]
agendum 1, More for the agenda?, closed
15:08:53 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. accesskey [from chaals]
15:09:13 [ShaneM]
zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "accesskey" taken up [from chaals]
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-> http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html draft accesskey spec
15:09:52 [ShaneM]
clarified some of the motivation. There are some things that we need to work through.
15:10:33 [ShaneM]
It can be looked at now. Comment on it if you think there are things that need to be changed or are missing.
15:10:43 [JF]
Q+
15:10:50 [ShaneM]
plh: The proposal doesn't really cover what is wrong with the current accesskey
15:11:04 [JF]
ack JF
15:11:12 [ShaneM]
chaals: yes - I need to gather that up and incorporate it. THere are bugs against the current accesskey that might give you some hints.
15:11:15 [Judy]
q+
15:11:47 [ShaneM]
JF: I maintain that it is horribly broken. Conflict resolution, discoverability, internationalization.
15:12:12 [ShaneM]
plh: And I don't disagree. I just wanted it to be incorporated into the proposal.
15:12:23 [ShaneM]
... we expect people to read a proposal and have it be freestanding.
15:12:49 [chaals]
-> https://github.com/chaals/accesskey/issues/4 issue based on PLH's comment
15:12:50 [ShaneM]
Judy: Same comment. Also we should get review specifically on the existing objections.
15:13:11 [ShaneM]
... there is a lot of agreement among a11y experts that accesskey is broken. Not a lot of agreement on how to fix it.
15:13:29 [ShaneM]
... there might be some movement behind the scenes on this.
15:13:48 [ShaneM]
... lets be sure to justify the proposal based upon all the previous discussions.
15:14:16 [ShaneM]
... doesn't preclude people raising questions. But Maybe it will help eliminate some of the questions.
15:14:30 [ShaneM]
chaals: note that this is a pre-proposal. It has not been taken up yet.
15:14:33 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
15:14:34 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ShaneM
15:14:38 [chaals]
ack j
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "meeting at tpac" taken up [from chaals]
15:15:13 [ShaneM]
We are scheduled at 4pm on Friday.
15:15:48 [ShaneM]
will develop the future plan and work plan. hope to coordinate with those we do not normally see.
15:16:00 [ShaneM]
... might not reach formal resolution on the work items though.
15:16:15 [Judy]
s/Also we should get review specifically on the existing objections/Also we should be sure to include a rationale for why we are promoting this particular approach, since there is less consensus on the approach than the simple point of current access key being broken.
15:16:27 [ShaneM]
plh: do we know where we are meeting?
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chaals: we will take a part of the PF meeting.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "workplan - what do we have to work on?" taken up [from chaals]
15:17:22 [ShaneM]
chaals: it has been about 6 months since we looked at the list.
15:17:40 [ShaneM]
... what things are important and who is prepared to actually work on them?
15:17:58 [JF]
+1 to @transcript
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chaals: on my personal list is transcript, accesskey, and datepickers
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Q+ to ask about Panels status
15:19:15 [ShaneM]
Judy: question on datepickers... It is on the tutorial wishlist. What features are missing?
15:19:27 [ShaneM]
chaals: well, it seems to not be implemented anywhere successfully yet.
15:19:38 [ShaneM]
Judy: but that's not a feature problem.
15:19:49 [LJWatson]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Datepickers
15:19:58 [ShaneM]
chaals: well... it isn't clear that we even know how to do this (in an accessible way)
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q?
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ack shane
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LJWatson: that link was the original work that had been done on datepickers
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JF: what about work on panels? Is that still an open action item?
15:20:59 [ShaneM]
chaals: that is just general HTML work. and it is still an open action item
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ack JF
15:21:00 [Zakim]
JF, you wanted to ask about Panels status
15:21:33 [chaals]
SM: CAPTCHA is a hot-button of Janina's
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q+
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ack ju
15:22:15 [ShaneM]
Judy: It is in APA. It will be coordinated closely with WCAG.
15:22:48 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "MediaController" taken up [from chaals]
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q+
15:23:55 [ShaneM]
chaals: I sent something saying that this is not an A11Y issue particularly. The stuff that it does is syntactic sugar.
15:24:18 [ShaneM]
... there are people who think there are other use cases, but the main use case seems to be artistic
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ack ju
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s/think there are/have demonstrated/
15:25:12 [ShaneM]
... blink has removed the code for media controller. Safari seems to have it. We will see how it shakes out.
15:25:44 [chaals]
q+
15:25:45 [ShaneM]
Judy: There are some others who have an interest in this space. If they were to agree there was not an issue, that might make me more confortable.
15:26:06 [ShaneM]
... maybe we could get them on a call to explain the alternate approaches and ensure they are on board.
15:26:25 [ShaneM]
... John, do you know either of them? (SCRIBE NOTE - I missed their names)
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JF: I don't know them either.
15:27:08 [ShaneM]
Judy: They might be good people to know.
15:27:29 [chaals]
ack me
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JF: I would be happy to talk with them. We can sort of do this now. popcorn.js would allow us to do something very similar today.
15:28:31 [ShaneM]
LJWatson: It is an important distinction to make. It isn't unimportant, it is just that there is a way to do it already.
15:28:47 [ShaneM]
chaals: It would be good to let them know that we want feedback.
15:28:56 [JF]
Q+
15:29:17 [ShaneM]
chaals: I think it would be good to get them on a call.
15:29:32 [Judy]
JB: has been asking input from Christian Vogler, lead tech guy at Gallaudet University, and Howard Rosenblum, CEO of (US) National Association of the Deaf
15:29:36 [ShaneM]
Judy: I have asked them when they would have feedback, but they have not really committed yet.
15:31:21 [chaals]
ack j
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JF: Leonie made mention of the fact that there are ways of doing it now. If so, let's get that well documented and put in a central location.
15:32:03 [chaals]
q+
15:32:10 [ShaneM]
... maybe collect some of the proof of concept examples. Talk to EO about it?
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ack me
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Judy: It could be if we agree that the examples are strong.
15:33:16 [ShaneM]
chaals: sounds like it might end up as a work item. Maybe an HTML change. video / audio components of HTML could maybe do with a note about how to synchronize with captions or signing.
15:33:35 [Judy]
[JB: had requested that someone take an action item last time to give a heads up to developers that input may be coming -- but can't access those minutes now]
15:33:46 [ShaneM]
rrsagent. make minutes
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rrsagent, help
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
15:35:28 [ShaneM]
zakim, who is here
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ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: Judy, plh, Alex, John, Charles, Cynthia, Janina, Leonie, Joanmarie, LJWatson, JF, ShaneM
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On IRC I see Judy, plh, RRSAgent, chaals, ShaneM, joanie, janina, liam, sivoais, Zakim, trackbot
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present+ Judy
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zakim, who is here?
15:35:58 [Zakim]
Present: Judy, plh, Alex, John, Charles, Cynthia, Janina, Leonie, Joanmarie, LJWatson, JF, ShaneM
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On IRC I see Judy, plh, RRSAgent, chaals, ShaneM, joanie, janina, liam, sivoais, Zakim, trackbot
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zakim, you're confused
15:36:32 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'you're confused', Judy
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent. make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
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Meeting: HTML A11Y Task Force
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Chair: Charles
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
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