IRC log of sdw on 2015-10-21

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Zakim, this will be SDW
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 October 2015
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present+ kerry
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chair: kerry
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present+ jtandy
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scribe: bart
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present+ frans
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scribenick: bart
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present+ BartvanLeeuwen
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present+ Alejandro_Llaves
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scribenick bartvanleeuwen
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present+ Payam
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regrets+ phila
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regrets+ eparsons
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regrets+ aharth
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regrets+ andrea perego
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regrets+ rachel heavan
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present+ LarsG
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present+ ahaller2
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q+ to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC
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topic: last approve meetings minutes
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present+ Linda
13:04:36 [BartvanLeeuwen]
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
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present+ MattPerry
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topic: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
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topic: Patent call
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https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
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topic: Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
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ack next
13:06:45 [Zakim]
jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC
13:07:11 [joshli]
present+ joshli
13:07:38 [frans]
couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action for Kerry?
13:08:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
New time for meetings after TPAC!
13:08:01 [jtandy]
think it was 8pm UTC
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topic: Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
13:09:06 [Linda]
go ahead
13:09:41 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves for 3 different task
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action: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer
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Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].
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1) issue management, managing topic chats and keep people on topic, Payam will take that task
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13:10:40 [Payam]
sure
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Another thing Payam will chase people down for evidence of BPs
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2) analasys byt jtandy of what needs to be done
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3) Main writer of the document will be Linda
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s/analasys/analysis/
13:11:51 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: instead of having discussions on email / wiki we try to write our doucments as we go, so that you can sse your changes happening
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s/doucments/documents
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jtandy: approach based on Payam experience with a previous group
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s/sse/see
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jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the repository
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Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice
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DRAFT Table of Contents
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1.Introduction
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i.General intro
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ii.Difference between spatial data on the web and current SDI practice
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iii.Principles https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
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2.Conformance
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3.Audience
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i.Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known Developers?)
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ii.Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the Large Set of Unknown Developers
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iii.Content publishers
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4.Scope
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5.Best Practices Template
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i.Best Practice Requirements
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6.Best Practices Summary
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7.The Best Practices
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i.Linking Data
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ii.Publishing data with clear semantics
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iii.Exposing datasets through APIs
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iv.Enabling discovery
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v.Assigning identifiers to real world things and information resources
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vi.Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings
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A.(geo)spatial information
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B.temporal information
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C.sensor data
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vii.Dealing with large datasets
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viii.Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope - LvdB)
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8.Conclusions
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9.Glossary
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Linda: document only availble as word
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10.Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices
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A.Acknowledgements
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B.References
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i.Normative references
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it's a bit messy- sorry about that
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I copied/pasted from a word file
13:14:17 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: this is not a final document structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill out
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jtandy: some might go out during the process
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jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in place before the Sapporo F2F
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kerry: we will start writing on the BP during the F2F , that is the main focus of the meeting.
13:16:27 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the content, there will be a editors draft by the end of the afternoon
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s/F2F ,/F2F,
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s/a editors/an editor's
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jtandy: the structure is the same structure as the DWBP document
13:18:33 [Linda]
Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
13:19:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
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jtandy: explains the structure of the document, general w3c parts
13:20:21 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we write this for
13:21:29 [kerry]
+1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web knowledge?
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+1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope
13:22:31 [frans]
q+
13:22:40 [kerry]
ack frans
13:23:12 [Payam]
+q
13:23:28 [BartvanLeeuwen]
frans: this is supposed to be a BP document, and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will the evidence be included
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ack Payam
13:24:06 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: one of the points we need to included in the description of the best practices is examples
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jtandy: and we need to have be able to point to those examples.
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jtandy: there will be adaption required to make it work
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Payam: if we have content in the document, we will be asking for examples and links to descriptions
13:25:14 [ahaller2]
s/to included/to include
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q+
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q+
13:25:47 [kerry]
ack next
13:25:52 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Payam: if you point to examples and best practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.
13:26:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links, they might not be persistent
13:26:41 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct the evidence ourselves
13:26:45 [Payam]
+1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful
13:27:46 [kerry]
ack frans
13:27:53 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for testbed for these best practices
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jtandy: there will be a gap, things that should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull to include them, we have to be carefull to not put in theories.
13:28:53 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: maybe we need a node for 'emerging practices'
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s/carefull/careful/
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+1 emerging practises
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s/node/note/
13:29:33 [BartvanLeeuwen]
frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'
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q?
13:31:07 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Topic: Summary of discussion on linking data
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https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
13:32:20 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: we are trying to continue the discussion from last weeks call
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jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
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q+
13:33:21 [AZ]
present+ AZ
13:33:50 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Topic:
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Topic: Sapporo Communication: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
13:34:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github
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kerry: the people in sapporo will be working on that document
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kerry: we will be keeping github up to date
13:35:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC, but not minute to minute like today
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kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us
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kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex, IRC is the best way to get to us
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kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up session
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kerry: we are expecting a few people to come along to talk to us from other groups
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q+
13:37:39 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG , Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed up
13:37:43 [BartvanLeeuwen]
ack me
13:38:24 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who want to show up
13:38:29 [Linda]
bad timing Jeremy
13:38:35 [kerry]
ack next
13:38:42 [joshli]
ack joshli
13:40:34 [BartvanLeeuwen]
kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday
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jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.
13:41:09 [jtandy]
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion
13:41:11 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Topic: Summary of discussion on linking data
13:42:09 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: our focus will be on gathering content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as long as it is public
13:42:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'
13:42:55 [jtandy]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html
13:43:04 [jtandy]
JSON a link poor format
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q+
13:44:09 [kerry]
ack josh
13:45:31 [BartvanLeeuwen]
joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best practices
13:47:06 [BartvanLeeuwen]
joshli: what types of interactions we have on a resource
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q+
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13:49:51 [frans]
+1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API
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q+
13:50:19 [kerry]
ack next
13:51:50 [kerry]
bart says the new linked data platform working grop will be attaking this
13:52:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
hydra: http://www.hydra-cg.com/
13:52:07 [kerry]
... and bart says we should point to that instead of inventing here
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s/attaking/attacking/
13:53:11 [kerry]
... bart says the linked data platform mailing list discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to anything directly
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ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting
13:53:55 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-10-28].
13:54:52 [kerry]
bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction but to leave to others
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q?
13:55:18 [jtandy]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html
13:55:27 [jtandy]
Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?
13:55:54 [joshli]
departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta
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13:56:24 [kerry]
agreed -- i was surpised to see thevariation in interpretation of "feature"
13:56:52 [LarsG]
s/surpised/surprised/
13:57:11 [LarsG]
s/thevariation/the variation/
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q+
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ack kerry
13:59:22 [frans]
I agree with Kerry
13:59:51 [Payam]
I have to leave. thank you all.
14:00:42 [BartvanLeeuwen]
yup
14:00:49 [kerry]
rrsagent make logs public
14:01:00 [frans]
Have a good day or night!
14:01:04 [Linda]
ok thanks bye
14:01:06 [Alejandro_Llaves]
Thanks, bye!
14:01:07 [kerry]
rrsagent draft minutes
14:01:08 [MattPerry]
bye
14:01:47 [kerry]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagentdraft minutes
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html kerry
14:02:24 [kerry]
bye all!
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