IRC log of sdw on 2015-10-21
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- Zakim, this will be SDW
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 21 October 2015
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- present+ kerry
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- chair: kerry
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- present+ jtandy
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- scribe: bart
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- present+ frans
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- scribenick: bart
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- present+ BartvanLeeuwen
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- present+ Alejandro_Llaves
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- scribenick bartvanleeuwen
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- present+ Payam
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- regrets+ phila
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- regrets+ eparsons
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- regrets+ aharth
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- regrets+ andrea perego
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- regrets+ rachel heavan
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- present+ LarsG
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- present+ ahaller2
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- q+ to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC
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- topic: last approve meetings minutes
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- present+ Linda
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- http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
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- present+ MattPerry
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- topic: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
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- topic: Patent call
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- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
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- topic: Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
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- ack next
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- jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC
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- present+ joshli
- 13:07:38 [frans]
- couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action for Kerry?
- 13:08:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- New time for meetings after TPAC!
- 13:08:01 [jtandy]
- think it was 8pm UTC
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- topic: Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
- 13:09:06 [Linda]
- go ahead
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- jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves for 3 different task
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- action: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer
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- Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].
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- 1) issue management, managing topic chats and keep people on topic, Payam will take that task
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- 13:10:40 [Payam]
- sure
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- Another thing Payam will chase people down for evidence of BPs
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- 2) analasys byt jtandy of what needs to be done
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- 3) Main writer of the document will be Linda
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- s/analasys/analysis/
- 13:11:51 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: instead of having discussions on email / wiki we try to write our doucments as we go, so that you can sse your changes happening
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- s/doucments/documents
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- jtandy: approach based on Payam experience with a previous group
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- s/sse/see
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- jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the repository
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- Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice
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- DRAFT Table of Contents
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- 1.Introduction
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- i.General intro
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- ii.Difference between spatial data on the web and current SDI practice
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- iii.Principles https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
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- 2.Conformance
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- 3.Audience
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- i.Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known Developers?)
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- ii.Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the Large Set of Unknown Developers
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- iii.Content publishers
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- 4.Scope
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- 5.Best Practices Template
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- i.Best Practice Requirements
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- 6.Best Practices Summary
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- 7.The Best Practices
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- i.Linking Data
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- ii.Publishing data with clear semantics
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- iii.Exposing datasets through APIs
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- iv.Enabling discovery
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- v.Assigning identifiers to real world things and information resources
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- vi.Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings
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- A.(geo)spatial information
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- B.temporal information
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- C.sensor data
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- vii.Dealing with large datasets
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- viii.Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope - LvdB)
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- 8.Conclusions
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- 9.Glossary
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- Linda: document only availble as word
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- 10.Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices
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- A.Acknowledgements
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- B.References
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- i.Normative references
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- it's a bit messy- sorry about that
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- I copied/pasted from a word file
- 13:14:17 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: this is not a final document structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill out
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- jtandy: some might go out during the process
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- jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in place before the Sapporo F2F
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- kerry: we will start writing on the BP during the F2F , that is the main focus of the meeting.
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- jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the content, there will be a editors draft by the end of the afternoon
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- s/F2F ,/F2F,
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- s/a editors/an editor's
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- jtandy: the structure is the same structure as the DWBP document
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- Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
- 13:19:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
- 13:19:46 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: explains the structure of the document, general w3c parts
- 13:20:21 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we write this for
- 13:21:29 [kerry]
- +1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web knowledge?
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- +1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope
- 13:22:31 [frans]
- q+
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- ack frans
- 13:23:12 [Payam]
- +q
- 13:23:28 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- frans: this is supposed to be a BP document, and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will the evidence be included
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- ack Payam
- 13:24:06 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: one of the points we need to included in the description of the best practices is examples
- 13:24:33 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: and we need to have be able to point to those examples.
- 13:24:45 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: there will be adaption required to make it work
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- Payam: if we have content in the document, we will be asking for examples and links to descriptions
- 13:25:14 [ahaller2]
- s/to included/to include
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack next
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- Payam: if you point to examples and best practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.
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- joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links, they might not be persistent
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- kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct the evidence ourselves
- 13:26:45 [Payam]
- +1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful
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- ack frans
- 13:27:53 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for testbed for these best practices
- 13:28:41 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: there will be a gap, things that should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull to include them, we have to be carefull to not put in theories.
- 13:28:53 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: maybe we need a node for 'emerging practices'
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- s/carefull/careful/
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- +1 emerging practises
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- s/node/note/
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- frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'
- 13:30:27 [kerry]
- q?
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- Topic: Summary of discussion on linking data
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- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
- 13:32:20 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: we are trying to continue the discussion from last weeks call
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- jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
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- q+
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- present+ AZ
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- Topic:
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- Topic: Sapporo Communication: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
- 13:34:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github
- 13:34:46 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: the people in sapporo will be working on that document
- 13:35:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: we will be keeping github up to date
- 13:35:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC, but not minute to minute like today
- 13:35:35 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us
- 13:35:59 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex, IRC is the best way to get to us
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- kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up session
- 13:37:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: we are expecting a few people to come along to talk to us from other groups
- 13:37:02 [joshli]
- q+
- 13:37:39 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG , Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed up
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- ack me
- 13:38:24 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who want to show up
- 13:38:29 [Linda]
- bad timing Jeremy
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- ack next
- 13:38:42 [joshli]
- ack joshli
- 13:40:34 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday
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- jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.
- 13:41:09 [jtandy]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion
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- Topic: Summary of discussion on linking data
- 13:42:09 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: our focus will be on gathering content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as long as it is public
- 13:42:23 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'
- 13:42:55 [jtandy]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html
- 13:43:04 [jtandy]
- JSON a link poor format
- 13:43:39 [joshli]
- q+
- 13:44:09 [kerry]
- ack josh
- 13:45:31 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best practices
- 13:47:06 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- joshli: what types of interactions we have on a resource
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- q+
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- 13:49:51 [frans]
- +1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API
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- q+
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- ack next
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- bart says the new linked data platform working grop will be attaking this
- 13:52:00 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- hydra: http://www.hydra-cg.com/
- 13:52:07 [kerry]
- ... and bart says we should point to that instead of inventing here
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- s/attaking/attacking/
- 13:53:11 [kerry]
- ... bart says the linked data platform mailing list discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to anything directly
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- ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting
- 13:53:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-10-28].
- 13:54:52 [kerry]
- bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction but to leave to others
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- q?
- 13:55:18 [jtandy]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html
- 13:55:27 [jtandy]
- Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?
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- departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta
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- 13:56:24 [kerry]
- agreed -- i was surpised to see thevariation in interpretation of "feature"
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- s/surpised/surprised/
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- s/thevariation/the variation/
- 13:57:42 [kerry]
- q+
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- ack kerry
- 13:59:22 [frans]
- I agree with Kerry
- 13:59:51 [Payam]
- I have to leave. thank you all.
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- yup
- 14:00:49 [kerry]
- rrsagent make logs public
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- Have a good day or night!
- 14:01:04 [Linda]
- ok thanks bye
- 14:01:06 [Alejandro_Llaves]
- Thanks, bye!
- 14:01:07 [kerry]
- rrsagent draft minutes
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- bye
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagentdraft minutes
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html kerry
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- bye all!
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