13:33:15 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:33:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-irc 13:33:17 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:33:17 Zakim has joined #dap 13:33:19 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:33:19 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:33:20 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:33:20 Date: 01 October 2015 13:33:26 fjh has changed the topic to: agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0030.html webex - dap 13:33:29 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0030.html 13:33:47 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:33:50 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:33:59 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 13:50:15 ScribeNick: fjh 13:50:20 Topic: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements 13:55:15 Present+ Tobie Langel 13:57:22 Present- Tobie Langel 13:57:28 Present+ Tobie_Langel 14:00:53 Present+ Dapeng_Liu 14:01:04 anssik has joined #dap 14:01:23 Reminder re TPAC hotels and registration (no DAP F2F) , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0018.html 14:01:23 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:01:23 Publishing Moratoria https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0025.html 14:01:24 Welcome Lukasz Olejnik - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0028.html 14:02:05 Dapeng_Liu has joined #DAP 14:02:29 fjh: Adam from Plantronics also joined https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0032.htmlnt 14:02:53 fjh: interested in their interest etc 14:03:36 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Sep/0075.html 14:03:47 fjh: ad hoc meeting at TPAC scheduled 27 Tuesday 15:00-18:00 14:04:07 fjh: Tobie will send note to DAP list, has already notified WoT group and Automotive group 14:04:07 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2015Sep/0021.html 14:04:20 tobie: how about geoloc 14:04:25 fjh: yes, let them know as well 14:05:12 fjh: will also have breakout session on Plenary Day 14:05:23 anssi: we can use plenary for introduction 14:05:32 fjh: yes get more interest and participation 14:05:43 tobie: too bad long meeting is before introduction 14:05:58 ... goal for ad hoc meeting is use cases, requirements, and spec comments 14:06:04 https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/ad-hoc-meetings#Generic_Sensor_API 14:06:21 ... working session , perhaps try to rewrite APIs for WoT and Automotive using generic sensor API 14:06:36 https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas#Generic_Sensor_API 14:06:42 ... for breakout can focus on high level and spec extension 14:07:16 fjh: please update the wikis to be clear on the topcis 14:07:23 s/topcis/topics/ 14:07:35 anssik: when should I start updating ambient light 14:07:40 ... before TPAC? 14:08:01 fjh: depends on status of generic sensor spec, is it stable enough? 14:08:14 tobie: I'm looking at this as I work on the generic sensor API 14:08:20 ... pretty much ready to do now 14:08:29 ... before TPAC ok 14:08:43 ... details on precisely writing spec not there yet, e.g. security issues 14:09:29 i/ad hoc/Topic: TPAC/ 14:09:51 q? 14:09:55 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:09:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:09:56 https://slightlyoff.github.io/ServiceWorker/spec/service_worker/#extensibility 14:11:24 https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/#example-1611693b 14:12:54 gmandyam: tue 10-12 will have joint meeting of auto and geolocation to discuss use cases related to geolocation 14:13:24 ... plan to mention generic sensor during that session as model to use 14:13:47 ... encourage anyone interested in generic sensor apis to attend that session as well 14:13:51 tobie: I would like to 14:14:15 fjh: others to talk with 14:14:31 tobie: webRTC, enumeration and constraints might be appropriate 14:14:40 fjh: for later, makes it complicated? 14:14:59 http://w3c.github.io/mediacapture-main/#enumerating-devices 14:15:09 gmandyam: general problem of capability discovery is important, worth discussion 14:16:01 fjh: could consider this as levels in the spec, layers, to enable simple use cases without complexity 14:16:06 tobie: approach I am taking 14:16:12 s/for later, makes it complicated?// 14:16:45 tobie: could do this in separate spec for discovery 14:18:04 fjh: plan is to have draft for Tuesday, then can do CfC once you let me know Tobie 14:18:13 fjh: do you need additional review before Tuesday 14:18:23 tobie: no, do not need input now 14:18:34 ... perhaps on terminology 14:18:55 fjh: section looked fine for me, I've used 'virtual sensor' but you mention all possible so ok 14:19:23 tobie: would like your input, Giri do you have any? 14:19:58 https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#terminology 14:20:10 anssik: liked the terminology 14:20:13 +1 14:20:19 s/+1/fjh: +1/ 14:21:27 anssik: would you prefer to have issues into FPWD 14:21:58 tobie: would like to close about 2/3 before we ship, so there should be fewer question blocks 14:22:12 fjh: find it useful to have items inline 14:23:28 tobie: can collapse the issues with way to bring inline 14:24:05 gmandyam: terminology section is good, maybe also talk about 1-shot and polling and async approaches 14:24:28 fjh: can also put issues in appendix with links 14:24:32 q? 14:25:16 tobie: have issue for this, higher level view of how sensor data is fetched should be added 14:26:06 fjh: can rely on editor to handle this properly 14:26:40 tobie: will find compromise have having content , hopefully to be able to expand line items by clicking or if few just put inline 14:28:27 fjh: don't need to track issues in doc, but want to share issues with readers that could help or provide feedback 14:31:07 gmandyam: need to see if comments on geolocation that can be applied to generic sensor API, will share if I find any 14:31:25 ... need to also look at device orientation 14:31:40 fjh: can you do this 14:31:49 gmandyam: yes, will post to DAP mailing list 14:32:21 anssik: can you also announce joing meeting 14:32:27 gmandyam: yes 14:32:37 Topics: Minutes approval 14:32:53 Minutes from 17 Sept 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/att-0017/minutes-2015-09-17.html 14:32:55 Topic: Testing 14:33:05 anssik: reviewed HTML media capture tests, closed actions 14:33:37 anssik: contacted Microsoft, not tracking spec, not sure whether they are implementting 14:33:44 ... not sure status of Mozilla 14:34:00 s/implementting/implementing/ 14:34:51 tobie: thought there was project to add into HTML spec, cannot tell now that tracking tool has changed so many times 14:35:04 anssiK: living spec is accepting pull requests 14:35:19 ... how to contribute to WhatWG 14:36:31 Requested feedback from Mozilla and Microsoft: 14:36:45 Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741393#c10 14:36:45 Microsoft: https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/Status/issues/49#issuecomment-140709630 14:38:29 anssi: concern is what if multiple apps to take photo 14:38:38 ... could still implement 14:38:49 fjh: wonder if Jonas will be at TPAC, perhaps discuss there 14:40:25 fjh: what about battery 14:42:09 anssi: mozilla implemented previous spec, plan was to be working on alignment with latest CR, no progress yet 14:42:15 ... waiting for mozilla 14:44:01 Topic: Other Business 14:45:46 none 14:45:51 Topic: Adjourn 14:45:57 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:45:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:46:56 i/Topic: Testing/looking for feedback from groups and also looking for feedback from developers, hence want to improve the spec/ 14:51:23 i/Topic: Testing/fjh: need to arrange Transition call for FPWD; tobie: Dom suggested we can do this in parallel/ 14:51:29 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:51:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:51:47 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 14:51:56 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:51:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:52:54 i/general problem/Topic: Generic Sensor API/ 14:52:59 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:52:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:53:30 i/ad hoc/Topic: TPAC/ 14:53:36 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:53:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 16:52:58 Zakim has left #dap