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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

03 Sep 2015

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Attendees

Present
kim, greg, jeanne, jim
Regrets
Chair
Jim
Scribe
allanj

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 03 September 2015

http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature

<jeanne> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JulSep/0018.html

1.8.12 allow same user interface

there is some issues. greg with ff on http://rip747.github.io/popupwindow/ all open in a new tab with same interface. jim cannot make that happen in his FF.

this seems to be a programming issue. there are application that no matter what I do, the application will open a new window with no chrome.

js: this comes under recognize.

gl: there is a lot that scripts can do that the browser cannot control
... does the SC apply to scripts, etc. ... if so nobody does that. if just html then they all do.

js: perhaps this goes in the browsers must follow WCAG list.
... need to check with browser folks

summary: all browsers do this. tho there are applications that open new windows with no chrome that the browser cannot control

1.8.16 Provide Web Page Bookmarks

really called placemarkers

canisbos Placemarker - safari http://canisbos.com/placemarker

yourhere placemarker - chrome - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm

1.8.15 Linearize Content:

linearize table

webdeveloper toolbar for chrome and FF will linearize tables

http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

also Opera

opera will linearize table with no extensions!

<Greg> http://help.opera.com/Windows/12.10/en/stylemodes.html

1.10.2 Show Element Hierarchy:

webdeveloper - firefox - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm

f12 in most browsers

web inspector - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-inspector/enibedkmbpadhfofcgjcphipflcbpelf?hl=en

webdeveloper for chrome and opera also

jim - hopes that extensiions written in xul will be rewritten in the new cross browser extension engine.

<Greg> Please, God, Don't Let Mozilla Ruin Firefox - Softpedia

<Greg> http://news.softpedia.com/news/please-god-don-t-let-mozilla-ruin-firefox-490376.shtml

<Greg> Mozilla sets plan to dump Firefox add-ons, move to Chrome-like extensions | Ars Technica

<Greg> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/mozilla-sets-plan-to-dump-firefox-add-ons-move-to-chrome-like-extensions/

<Greg> "Developers will have until mid-2017 to switch to the new programming model."

2.1.4 separate selection from activation

all browsers. except radio buttons - tab to the group...arrowing around causes selection...as per w3 behavior http://www.w3.org/wiki/RadioButton

there are WCAG failures e.g. onChange events that the browser cannot control. there are surely others

no way to unselect a radio button other than refresh page

2.4.5 search alternative content

for alt text - webdeveloper - firefox - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm reveal alt then you can search

and webdeveloper - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-developer/bfbameneiokkgbdmiekhjnmfkcnldhhm?hl=en reveal alt then search

chrome bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=496232

ff bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158757

if you turn off images in a browser to show alt text you cannot search for it

media players - youtube allow caption search

2.5.2 structural nav heading and tables (now 2.5.1)

headingsMap - ff https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/headingsmap/

scrollbar of content - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scrollbar-of-contents/cfmkncejaemmcobmaabfigljmnkeecdm

landmark nav - ff - https://github.com/matatk/landmarks

could find nothing about table navigation

could use chromevox with no speech for all of the element navigation and table navigation

2.6.2 Allow Restore All to Default: The user can restore all preference settings to default values. (Level A)

IE has reset to defaults

<Greg> Refresh Firefox - reset add-ons and settings | Firefox Help

<Greg> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

<Greg> "The refresh feature works by creating a new profile folder for you while saving your important data.

<Greg> Add-ons which are normally stored inside the Firefox profile folder, such as extensions and themes, will be removed. Add-ons stored in other locations, such as plugins, will not be removed but any modified preferences (such as plugins you have disabled) will be reset."

Google Chrome has an option that will reset itself to its default settings. To find this option, open Chrome's menu and select Settings. Perform a search for “reset browser” and you'll see the Reset browser settings button.

ff has extension for retore to default without removing addons http://chrispederick.com/

2.6.3 Allow Multiple Sets of Preference Settings:

ff can do profiles

chrome user profile https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142059?hl=en

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089364/how-to-create-and-manage-multiple-user-profiles-in-chrome.html

ff user profiles - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles

2.6.4 Allow Preference Changes from outside the User Interface:

used to have this.

chrome http://smallbusiness.chron.com/export-chrome-profile-79321.html

windows - %LOCALAPPDATA%\Google\Chrome\User Data\ huge folder - not user friendly , but it is possible to edit

<Greg> Stupid Geek Tricks: Hacking the Firefox Profile Data Storage

<Greg> http://www.howtogeek.com/69051/stupid-geek-tricks-hacking-the-firefox-profile-data-storage/

<Greg> "Using an open source program, SQLite Database Browser, you can not only see the structure of the individual databases but browse and, if you are so inclined, manipulate all the data in each of the tables."

2.6.5 Make Preference Settings Transferable: The user can transfer all compatible user agent preference settings between devices. (Level AAA)

chrome - windows - %LOCALAPPDATA%\Google\Chrome\User Data\ huge folder - just transfer the "default" folder

Transfer the Profile to Another Computer. Close Mozilla Firefox, press "Windows-X" to open the Windows Power User menu and then click "Run" to open the Run utility. Type "%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\" (without the quotation marks) and press "Enter" to open Firefox's Profiles folder.

smallbusiness.chron.com/transfer-firefox-profile-new-computer-78755.html

Summary of Action Items

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