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<scribe> Agenda:
* DPUB roles in ARIA Core - yes or no, prefix or no
* Link roles: in ARIA or @rel registry?
* update on timeline for additional dpub roles to be added to draft
* update on DPUB AAM progress
<scribe> scribenick: mgylling
<tzviya> chair: tzviya
tzviya: whether we should shift some of the DPUB roles into aria core, and whether to use the prefix
<tzviya> markus: this is a double-edged sword. adding to core would increase uptake, but splitting the vocab could lead to confusion
markus: in the worst case, we would have properties in DPUB, ARIA, and @rel registry
tzviya: think this will come again up as other modules are added
… on the one hand you could say that people are already looking at ARIA for document structure, if we have glossary as part of core, and glossary-reference as part of DPUB, its kind of dissonant
ivan: janina, markus raised the issue that if a value goes into core, if it hyphenspaceless then it has more chances to be understood by AT… is that really the case? Could AT not accept properties that keep dpub-?
janina: it could work both ways, AT is already picking up ARIA roles, OTOH DPUB space is also an attractive space, seems a rather easy thing to add
ivan: is it possible to say that we have the DPUB hyphenspace module, and somehow in the core ARIA spec there is a reference to DPUB properties, that we consider part of core, but defined in DPUB spec?
janina: probably the easiest one to move through to TR
ivan: the authors of an ebook would just know dpub- and nothing else, from that perspective we are fine
rich: which ones are we talking about?
matt: chapter and one or two others
ivan: we have the notion of chapter, aria value is dpub-chapter once and for all, but its still part of the core, and defined normatively in dpub spec
<tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/51 identifies the roles that Core is interested in harvesting
ivan: pushing all dpub roles in the first seems to be too much
janina: rich is that true?
rich: we need to give them runway
… MS said we want to be able to support the ARIA spec, later we can support the publishing module
rich: getting some roles into core wouldnt buy you much
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: migrate nothing to ARIA core at this point
janina: agrees, keep it simple
matt: isnt in education issue? splitting would make life harder for publishers, we should make people aware that aria is expanding using modules
RESOLUTION: migrate nothing to ARIA core at this point
matt: noteref, glossref, biblioref, etc
markus: has link roles been discussed in ARIA before?
rich: no, but discussions is ongoing in the cognitive taskforce @@@
<tzviya> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel
tzviya: if there was rel=description, then people would be a lot more comfortable using rel for descriptions
janina: is this only for HTML or also for SVG?
… think that would be the basis for supporting ARIA doing the same thing that rel does
… otherwise we have to answer why not use rel
rich: SVG does not have rel
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/attindex.html
janina: we know we want to do this to SVG, and maybe other markup languages as well, there’s the argument for putting this into ARIA
rich: I dont think we’ll get this in SVG2
ivan: the only additional problem is that rel is also used in other settings in RDFa
markus: how does that impact us?
ivan: there may be default namespaceless properties, so there may be a low probability of clashes
RESOLUTION: keep link roles in aria draft for now, await further input from the community
rich: AT doesnt currently make use of @rel
markus: for me, tzviya matt and sanders to work on
tzviya: once we decide which roles to add it wont take long, but we need time to discuss things
<tzviya> tzviya: we'll aim to finish additional DPUB roles by latest mid-Oct
<tzviya> rich: working on ARIA 1.1 and SVG, DPUB AAM is on the list
<tzviya> no meeting next week (10 Septemeber)
<tzviya> review period oF FPWD is coming to a close, we will close out the issues, all of which predate publication
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