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<trackbot> Date: 01 September 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
<clown> action-1528
<trackbot> action-1528 -- Alexander Surkov to Bolter to investigate the proper ia2 mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1528
JS: I had an action from a while back to contact Alex and actually email the IA2 mailing list for mappings for aria-current.
<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1104947
JS: There is an bugzilla issue
(URL above).
... Nothing has been done with it since last year.
... LĂ©onie commented recently that aria-current was now
stable.
... So I emailed the IA2 mailing list.
... I'd put a link for the message, but I am not sure they
showed up on the list.
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent
JS: The mappings are at the above URL.
JD: I thought for ATK/AT-SPI2 the object attribute was "current"; not "active".
JS: But Alex doesn't think
STATE_ACTIVE is the proper mapping.
... Joanie explained that it really is the proper mapping for
ATK/AT-SPI, but that state is a boolean. So an attribute is
needed to expose the type of currentness/activeness.
... I could change the IA2 mapping to not use STATE_ACTIVE; but
I'm not changing the ATK/AT-SPI2 mapping without more
input.
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#event-aria-current
JS: There's an associated event, to notify ATs when the current element changed.
JD: So if you remove the STATE_ACTIVE, what does Alex plan to do? A property-change event?
JS: Yes.
<clown> action-1535?
<trackbot> action-1535 -- James Craig to Investigate the axapi mappings for aria-current. -- due 2015-08-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1535
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146012
JS: I haven't talked to James,
but there is an issue in WebKit's bugzilla (URL above)
... As of yesterday, there's been some code proposed to handle
this.
... It looks like they are going to have a property:
<clown> AXCurrent = "value of aria-current"
JS: With provisos if it is
outside the enumeration, it defaults to true.
... The only thing I don't see in the attachment is an
event.
... I will comment on the bug to point this out.
<cyns> having webex problems
<clown> action-1541?
<trackbot> action-1541 -- James Craig to Investigate and propose mappings for aria-modal property for axapi. -- due 2015-08-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1541
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146013#c0
JS: I haven't had a chance yet to
ping James yet.
... The above URL is the associated issue.
... (Reads from issue)
... Oh, this is a duplicate of another bug.
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566
JS: That bug (URL above) doesn't seem to have any progress.
<clown> action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2015-08-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: Give me a couple weeks.
JS: September 15th.
<clown> action-1309?
<trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress and uia. -- due 2015-08-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
CS: That one is easier. Give me a
week.
... Or just leave it overdue.
JS: I'll make a note to revisit this one next week.
<clown> action-1373?
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2015-08-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
JS: I think this is a matter of saying what the browser should do when they are not provided on every element.
CS: Give me two weeks on this one.
<clown> action-1527?
<trackbot> action-1527 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the proper uia mappings for aria-current -- due 2015-08-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1527
CS: Did aria-current happen?
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-current
JS: It's in the spec (URL
above)
... It now takes values (reads them)
CS: Give me a month.
JS: October 1st.
<clown> action-1547?
<trackbot> action-1547 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Update test test cases involving rowgroup to ensure they are included within a grid container and to ensure that the expected result matches the new mappings -- due 2015-08-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1547
RS: I don't know what we're going to do about that.
JS: Discuss it Thursday?
RS: I put out the agenda, but I don't recall putting rowgroup on it.
JS: The Thursday agenda has action-1578
action-1578
<trackbot> action-1578 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-700 in aria task force meeting. -- due 2015-08-27 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1578
issue-700
<trackbot> issue-700 -- Discuss rowgroup, tbody, and thead in aapis -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700
RS: I do not have action-1578 on the Thursday meeting.
JS: Oh, I was looking at the August 27th agenda.
RS: We're waiting for James. We would like consistency across platforms if possible.
JS: So you don't want to adjust the test cases until we finalize this with James?
RS: Right, but Michael was going to take the first pass on the test harness.
JS: If I make this due October 27, will that work?
RS: Sure.
... We also need to get the exit criteria from Michael.
<clown> action-1593?
<trackbot> action-1593 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compare implementations of AAPI managed states and look for gaps. -- due 2015-07-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1593
JS: You were going to look at all the managed states and compare different AAPIs and list the differences.
<clown> issue-706?
<trackbot> issue-706 -- Describe/define AAPI managed states -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/706
CS: TPAC would be a good timeline for this.
<clown> action-1661?
<trackbot> action-1661 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose uia express and uia mappings for aria-roledescription. -- due 2015-07-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1661
CS: Is that still active?
JS: There's nothing in the mapping guide yet.
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription
JS: The link for the spec is above.
CS: I'll do that for TPAC as well. I have some concerns.
RS: Some AT vendors have some
concerns about it as well.
... My biggest concern is misuse by authors.
... Putting it in the API is not as big of a risk.
... At some point before CR, we should go through the spec one
more time.
... We've agreed up to this point, but we should take one more
look to be sure there's nothing being added that is
dangerous.
JS: Bryan wanted to discuss this
today.
... Do you have an action/issue associated with this?
BG: I have a question.
... Is IAccessible gone?
CS: It's still there in Windows, but not implemented in Edge.
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCheckedTrue
BG: In IE 11, selected is used to
identify when radios are checked.
... Everything else in Windows uses the checked state.
... So if you use JAWS, it reports it's selected and not
checked at the same time.
CS: Every other radio button in Windows has the selected state.
RS: Also, it's a single-select in a radio group.
RS and CS: We could modify the implementation spec to address this.
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph remove the MSAA plus UIA Express column [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/01-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1717 - Remove the msaa plus uia express column [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-09-08].
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCheckedTrue
JS: The URL above has
aria-checked true.
... The UIA one doesn't say anything about selected.
... There's a special case for UIA Express.
CS: That's an error.
... Give me an action to double-check this.
BG: That brings up the question for me about the difference between selected and checked.
CS: In Windows they are different
(checkboxes and radio buttons).
... So if people are using radio buttons as checkboxes it is an
author error.
BG: No, I mean that there are different keyboard commands, for instance to move focus amongst the elements without toggling their state.
CS: The radio group is the
control that handles this.
... In Windows, you would be talking about focus to move
amongst the items in the group.
<clown> ACTION: cynthia to check that the UIA mappings for aria-checked are correct for radio buttons and menuitem radio buttons. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/01-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1718 - Check that the uia mappings for aria-checked are correct for radio buttons and menuitem radio buttons. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-09-08].
<clown> action-1718
<trackbot> action-1718 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check that the uia mappings for aria-checked are correct for radio buttons and menuitem radio buttons. -- due 2015-09-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1718
BG: Sounds good to implement both and leave it to the ATs to handle.
JS: I couldn't find anything
about this in the issues and actions for the mapping spec or
for the ARIA spec.
... Therefore I created a new action for you (Cynthia).
JS: I was going through stuff
that needed to be done for ARIA 1.1 and came across this list
of name calculation actions.
... Most of them are assigned to me, a number of them I do not
understand.
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCheckedTrue
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
JS: So I wanted to bring them up
here, give you the URL, and see if you know where they come
from.
... I still have pending to create a flow chart.
<clown> action-1367?
<trackbot> action-1367 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to ARIA bug 2B (control values) does not mention presentational controls; propose edit. -- due 2014-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1367
JS: Regarding action-1367... All I can think of is that this relates to controls embedded inside another control.
RS: But not everything has a value.
JS: That's not what this issue says though. And I have no idea what a "presentational control" is.
RS: Who brought this in?
JS: I have no idea.
... It was created on the 3rd of February.
RS: Let me go back to the list and look.
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-aria-minutes.html
RS: The minutes from that day are
above.
... There's nothing in here. I don't see anything in here about
value.
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/
<clown> action-1379
<trackbot> action-1379 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to TAC should cover rendered descendants from external sources: svg, iframe, etc. (Compose text and get final review form ARIA subteam) -- due 2015-09-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1379
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